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View Poll Results: who will have more Pts this year Oilers or Flames
Oilers 131 39.82%
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if the oilers finish behind the Flames I am becoming a canuck fan 46 13.98%
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10-22-2013, 11:53 PM
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Just need to change the GP for the Flames to 9.

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PHO looks amazing tonight. Every pass looks like it is made with a purpose and they are positioned perfectly. Just toying with CGY tonight.
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we are not supposed to be behind the flames

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11-02-2013, 06:40 AM
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Well damn I'm hammered and this is the last thread I wanna see before blacking out, hf depresses me when the oilers suck.

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11-02-2013, 10:47 AM
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If the Flames outpoint the Oilers this season... Eakins, MacT and Lowe should not only be fired but jettisoned into space as well.

Flames are in full-on rebuild mode... Oilers are "supposed" to be coming out of their rebuild and challenging for a playoff spot. No way the Flames should finish ahead of them regardless of injuries, slumps or any other act of God.
I think the flames are overachieving too but if they finished say 7th and we finished 8th, I wouldn't be worried about it much.

You can't expect a team to overachieve, I think the Oilers peak for realistic overachievement is a playoff spot, about the same as Calgary. The Oilers will catch up to them this year, I would say by the new year we will have passed them provided we do not go through another significant injury situation while they remain healthy.

The Flames have cooled and if they go into a funk like the Oilers are in, they will struggle just like the Oilers to get out of it because of a general lack of experience. It's possible the flames never win another game all season at this point.

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11-02-2013, 11:00 AM
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Summed up pretty well. If they finish ahead of us something is really, really wrong and there should be changes in management first and foremost.
Agreed BBO, however not only would that not happen I bet the lackeys I mean friends of Katz would get more perks. Frankly I really don't give a **** if the Oilers finish ahead of the Flames if we aren't at least challenging for the playoffs. Oh great, I said it playoffs.
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It goes to show what hard work and playing as a team will do. The current group of Oilers will never be a dangerous team until they figure that out.

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It really needs to be said...why are we comparing a team in their first year of their rebuild to the Oilers who are in year 5?

This thread really does epitomize the sorry state Oiler fans are in.

When some Oiler fans try to feel good about being better than their rival who is 4 years behind in the rebuild process.

Pathetic really.

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It really needs to be said...why are we comparing a team in their first year of their rebuild to the Oilers who are in year 5?

This thread really does epitomize the sorry state Oiler fans are in.

When some Oiler fans try to feel good about being better than their rival who is 4 years behind in the rebuild process.

Pathetic really.
based upon this comment I am adding another team to the chart-- a team also in year 5 of a rebuild--they play in colorado

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11-03-2013, 08:14 PM
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based upon this comment I am adding another team to the chart-- a team also in year 5 of a rebuild--they play in colorado
I think thats an excellent idea....its a far more valid comparison.

Clearly Colorado isnt a rival team but at least its apples to apples.

I also think this comparison is going to really underscore just how badly the Oilers management team have botched up this rebuild.

It took until this season (far along in the rebuild process) and a change at GM for this team to bring in some solid veterans...why?

Among other questions its a question the media should be asking.

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  team Wins Loses OTL PTs Goal for Goals against Top Goal scorer Most assists plus/minus Point getter games played
  3 9 2 8 36 59 Boyd Gordon 4 Nuge 4 Mark Arcobello 10 Jones +2 Eberle,hopkins , Archobello 15
  5 6 2 12 39 47 Monahan 6 hudler 8Russel +6 Hudler 13 13
  12 1 0 24 42 19Duschene 9 Mackinnon 9statney+10 Duschene 14 13

Decided to add Avalanche to add perspective of how bad the oilers are--avs year 5 of their rebuild as well

since people are saying I should not compare the oilers to the flames who are in year one of their rebuild--lets look at the Avalanche

Last 5 first round draft picks
Nathen Mckinnon
Gabriel Landeskog
Joey Hishon
Duncan Siemens
Matt Duchene

Oilers last 5 first rounders
Darnell Nurse
Nail Yakupov
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Oscar Klefbom
Taylor Hall

sorry for the dark turn here-- but this should add perspective to farcical this situation has become
Avs had picked better, more rounded players at more important positions. MacKinnon, Duchene are centres, Landeskog is a good two way winger with size and grit. They had Stastny. They had O'Reilly. They made some astute trades. That's the difference between a well managed club and the Oilers' gong show.

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11-04-2013, 12:13 AM
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based upon this comment I am adding another team to the chart-- a team also in year 5 of a rebuild--they play in colorado
Another interesting parallel to what the Oilers have had to deal with for years is that this year they have a bunch of "old boys" in management with Sakic as GM and Roy as head coach. It seems to work for the Avs though.

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calgary won again......man salt feels good when its on a wound

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Avs had picked better, more rounded players at more important positions. MacKinnon, Duchene are centres, Landeskog is a good two way winger with size and grit. They had Stastny. They had O'Reilly. They made some astute trades. That's the difference between a well managed club and the Oilers' gong show.
2009 draft. Same as Duchene.

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Reading page 1 puts this in a whole new perspective. :0

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2009 draft. Same as Duchene.
Yeah they drafted an impact player beyond round 1, maybe the Oilers could try doing that sometime?

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Agreed BBO, however not only would that not happen I bet the lackeys I mean friends of Katz would get more perks. Frankly I really don't give a **** if the Oilers finish ahead of the Flames if we aren't at least challenging for the playoffs. Oh great, I said it playoffs.
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This team needs a cleansing from top to bottom. We seem to be fine with playing a ton of smallish skilled players who all love to play on the perimeter and then we wonder why we aren't going to the tough areas of the ice. We don't play tough, we don't add size that can play and seem to rather have 10 smallish perimeter players than add some of those types. It's a joke, plain and simple. I don't give a flying **** how many rings Lowe and MacT have, if they can't see the problems on this team and what needs to happen to fix them then their rings are as useless as **** rings at a lesbian orgy.

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Oilers have the high end talent, but lack depth. Imagine if we lose Dubnyk or Hall to injury? Either of those could mean a bottom 5 finish. Oilers finish Head of the flames, but just barely.
Wow! How prophetic, who is this Gone fellow? Nostradamus maybe??

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Wow! How prophetic, who is this Gone fellow? Nostradamus maybe??
Injuries be damned, this team at 100% healthy would still be struggling IMO.

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Injuries be damned, this team at 100% healthy would still be struggling IMO.
Still if I could see how important one or two pieces might be, where was MacT's crystal ball? The ramifications of losing Dubnyk were too obvious. But your right, zero depth and no chemistry, this team was even worse than I thought.

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  team Wins Loses OTL PTs Goal for Goals against Top Goal scorer Most assists plus/minus Point getter games played
  3 9 2 8 36 59 Boyd Gordon 4 Nuge 4 Mark Arcobello 10 Jones +2 Eberle,hopkins , Archobello 15
  5 6 2 12 39 47 Monahan 6 hudler 8Russel +6 Hudler 13 13
  12 1 0 24 42 19Duschene 9 Mackinnon 9statney+10 Duschene 14 13

Decided to add Avalanche to add perspective of how bad the oilers are--avs year 5 of their rebuild as well

since people are saying I should not compare the oilers to the flames who are in year one of their rebuild--lets look at the Avalanche

Last 5 first round draft picks
Nathen Mckinnon
Gabriel Landeskog
Joey Hishon
Duncan Siemens
Matt Duchene

Oilers last 5 first rounders
Darnell Nurse
Nail Yakupov
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Oscar Klefbom
Taylor Hall

sorry for the dark turn here-- but this should add perspective to farcical this situation has become
Thanks for this. Interesting what Colorado did to their management - coaching staff before their rebuild ended.

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Avs had picked better, more rounded players at more important positions. MacKinnon, Duchene are centres, Landeskog is a good two way winger with size and grit. They had Stastny. They had O'Reilly. They made some astute trades. That's the difference between a well managed club and the Oilers' gong show.
Well, it's not like everything's great in Colorado. Prospects who start their pro-career on the Lake Erie Monsters don't seem to develop well. Barrie, the only dman who played there and survived this year's training camp, has been a healthy scratch in most of the games. Promising kids like Sgarbossa, Malone and Elliott are struggling in the AHL and Siemens who was picked in the 1st round and was one of the best defensemen in this year's Memorial Cup tournament has zero points in 8 games in this season.
The bad coaching at the AHL level will hurt the Avalanche in the long run if no changes are made.

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  team Wins Loses OTL PTs Goal for Goals against Top Goal scorer Most assists plus/minus Point getter games played
  3 9 2 8 36 59 Boyd Gordon 4 Nuge 4 Mark Arcobello 10 Jones +2 Eberle,hopkins , Archobello 15
  6 6 2 14 42 49 Monahan 6 hudler 8Russel +6 Hudler 13 14
  12 1 0 24 42 19Duschene 9 Mackinnon 9statney+10 Duschene 14 13

Decided to add Avalanche to add perspective of how bad the oilers are--avs year 5 of their rebuild as well

since people are saying I should not compare the oilers to the flames who are in year one of their rebuild--lets look at the Avalanche

Last 5 first round draft picks
Nathen Mckinnon
Gabriel Landeskog
Joey Hishon
Duncan Siemens
Matt Duchene

Oilers last 5 first rounders
Darnell Nurse
Nail Yakupov
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Oscar Klefbom
Taylor Hall

sorry for the dark turn here-- but this should add perspective to farcical this situation has become. All three teams have been to the cup final in the last ten years or so and have fallen on hard times.

I agree the Avs are a better comparison to the oilers since they started the rebuild at about the same time as the oilers and took legitimate chances to make changes in their dressing room.

Things that the AVs did to fix problems they new they had in net

two years ago they knew they had trouble and gambled is a trade with the caps
2011/07/01 Washington Capitals traded Semyon Varlamov to the Colorado Avalanche for a 1st round selection in 2012 and a conditional 2nd round selection.

and when they realized some of their kids were not working out--they shipped them to other teams for their kids who were not working out

2011/02/19 Colorado Avalanche traded Chris Stewart, Kevin Shattenkirk and a conditional second-round draft pick in 2011 or 2012 to the St. Louis Blues for Erik Johnson, Jay McClement and a conditional first-round draft pick in 2011 or 2012

three top picks during the rebuild
Matt Duchene
Gabriel Landeskog
Nathan MacKinnon

have scored 16 goals 18 assists for 34pts

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Eberle
Yakupov
Hall
Nuge
Gagner
who have 11goals 20assists 31pts

I realize that gagner, Nuge and Hall have missed time with injuries-but how many years have we been using that excuse? Eberle and Yakupov have 4 goals and 9 assists. Mckinnonen and 2 goals and 7 assists by himself.

If you look at out roster vs the avs roster, on paper we should be close to each other. However we are looking at 16pts difference in pts in the standings.

Both teams not have rookie GM and coaches, theirs are legends as well --on ourside we Lowe and mact who have I think 9 cup combined

2005/2006
Oilers 95pts No first rounder traded for Roloson)
Avs 95pts (draft chris stewart at 18)

2006/2007
Oilers 71pts (sam gagner 6th)
Avs 95pts (Draft Kevin Shattenkirk at 14)

2007/2008
Edmonton 88 pts (draft Eberle 22nd over all due to the Penner signing)
avs 95pts (no first round pick)

2008/2009
Oilers 85pts Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson at 10)
Aves 69pts (draft Matt Duschene at 3 and Ryan O'Reily at 33)

2009/2010
Oilers 62 pts Taylor Hall at 1
Avs 95pts (draft some guy names Joey Hilson at 17)

2010/2011
Oilers 62 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins at 1 and Oscar Klefbom at 19
Avs 68 (draft Gabriel Landeskog at 2)

2011/2012
Oilers 74 Nail Yakupov at one
Avs 88 (no first round pick as mentioned is the goalie trade above)

2012/2013
Oilers 45 Darnell Nurse at 7
Aves 39 Drafted Nathan MacKinnon first overall

First--what is the deal with the Avs and getting 95pts so much?
Second: AVS prove the rebuild goes beyond draft first overall.

I am hoping to have this thread about what teams have done different from the oilers during their rebuilds. I may add the NYI to the mix as well

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The Avs were a joke last year.

Where were you with your chart then?

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