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11-05-2013, 11:00 AM
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I saw the return TD and it was beautiful. Can this guy play on offense?

We need better skill players. Look at the RBs in this league. Look at our RBs.
Stamps is elite but Bowman is at best a 3rd or 4th option.
I needed a funny comment like this to start the day! Thankyou!

Have you watched a game this year?

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11-05-2013, 11:44 AM
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I needed a funny comment like this to start the day! Thankyou!

Have you watched a game this year?
We have the worst offensive skill playesr in the league. If you can't see that, I cannot help you bro.

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11-05-2013, 11:55 AM
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White dropped TDs THREE times late in the 4th quarter this season....srsly.

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I think you're missing the point. You slammed Bowman, who is one of the best receivers in the league. He's elite and was not one of our problem areas this season. I'm pretty sure that's what they were referring to. We have personnel problems, but Bowman is not one of them.


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11-05-2013, 12:17 PM
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We have the worst offensive skill playesr in the league. If you can't see that, I cannot help you bro.
I think he's talking about the Bowman comment. Bowman is a beast, one of the few bright spots on the team and one of the best receivers in the league. He will use his size to make a catch and then run the guy over.

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11-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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I think he's talking about the Bowman comment. Bowman is a beast, one of the few bright spots on the team and one of the best receivers in the league. He will use his size to make a catch and then run the guy over.
I agree. I think Marcus Henry can learn a few things from Bowman. They are very similar in terms of size and play style. Henry just needs to be a more reliable pass catcher.

I would not be upset if we went with Stamps, Bowman, Henry, Chambers and Coehorn as our top 5 next season.

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11-05-2013, 01:35 PM
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We have the worst offensive skill playesr in the league. If you can't see that, I cannot help you bro.
first of all, Bowman doesn't quit on routes
his catch radius is bigger than the majority of receivers in the league
he has great hands
if he's not the target, he'll go and block
and he fights for and gets YAC.

how is he AT BEST, a 3rd or 4th receiver? go to even one eskimo game and watch him, instead of relying on TSN highlights.

if you can't see that, I cannot help you, bro.

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11-05-2013, 02:04 PM
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Look at Bowman's track record at Oklahoma State and in the CFL.

When he's been the first or second option, his teams have failed miserably.

If we roll with him as our 2nd option, we're missing the playoffs.

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11-05-2013, 02:17 PM
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Thats all well and good but I thought we were discussing Rhodes.

One would have to think that the board has had enough time to evaluate him.
One would think that the rapidly declining attendance would be enough to get the Boards attention. I would think that when the decision was made to hire a man whose experience was in Brand Marketing the expectation was that attendance would rise. Instead it has started to fall off a cliff. That in itself should make it obvious to the Board that his hiring was a mistake. His poor decision to put promotions ahead of the football team is also inexcusable and worthy of dismissal all by itself.

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11-05-2013, 02:37 PM
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McKinnon's journal piece this morning mentioned AJ Gass as a possibility to join the new coaching staff. He's coaching high school football in California right now.

Always liked Gass.

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11-05-2013, 02:41 PM
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Look at Bowman's track record at Oklahoma State and in the CFL.

When he's been the first or second option, his teams have failed miserably.

If we roll with him as our 2nd option, we're missing the playoffs.
What sheer and utter nonsense.

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11-05-2013, 02:47 PM
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Look at Bowman's track record at Oklahoma State and in the CFL.

When he's been the first or second option, his teams have failed miserably.

If we roll with him as our 2nd option, we're missing the playoffs.
The one year we were able to roll with Bowman we made the playoffs and did quite well as a club. In fact we did well with him as 2nd receiver until he got injured.

The improvement in the offense since he's come back this year has been noticeable.

Anyway, lets look at some numbers. 697yds receiving in only 9 GP. This is only 560yds shy of Stamps league leading receiving yds. On a full season Bowman prorates to 1400 receiving yds a feat not accomplished in I don't know how long.

If you think that isn't representative Bowman has played approx 28GP for the Eskimos, and has 2000yds catching in that tenure. Those are mindblowing numbers. Works out to about 1300 season on prorated full years.

The only issue is him being out of the lineup due to injury. It hurts the club bad when he's not in. I'll say this as well is the Esks make the playoffs this year with Bowman in all year and its a completely different season with him as a second look.

Not only is Bowman a solid number 1A/1B on this club he'd be the leading receiver on any other club any year he's healthy.

This guys an absolute stud and in prime of career and with any luck will lead the league over the next seasons. If healthy its a given he has among the top yds among CFL receivers.

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11-05-2013, 02:53 PM
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One would think that the rapidly declining attendance would be enough to get the Boards attention. I would think that when the decision was made to hire a man whose experience was in Brand Marketing the expectation was that attendance would rise. Instead it has started to fall off a cliff. That in itself should make it obvious to the Board that his hiring was a mistake. His poor decision to put promotions ahead of the football team is also inexcusable and worthy of dismissal all by itself.
Theres way too much common sense contained in this post. I suggest you print it out and bring it to the Eskimos office immediately and have it forwarded to the BOG. better yet speak to them if theres any chance.

I'm only half joking.

For what other reason is Rhodes here? He's absolutely failed at marketing this product which has done far worse under his direction than at anytime since the club moved into Commomwealth stadium. HOW FRIGGEN OBVIOUS THIS IS.

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11-05-2013, 03:05 PM
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What sheer and utter nonsense.
I present my argument with facts.

2004 North Carolina: Went 6-6, was their 2nd or 3rd option
2005: Sat out as he transferred to Oklahoma State
2006: 7-6, was their 1st option
2007: 7-6, was their 1st option
Went from 1st round projection to going undrafted due to a marijuana related arrest.

2008 Saskatchewan 12-6 as the Riders 5th passing option. (Dressler, Fantuz, Cates, and Bagg were ahead of him)
2009 Winnipeg 7-11 with Bowman as their 1st or 2nd option (him and terrance Edwards were like 1a and 1b)
2010 Winnipeg 4-14 with Bowman as their 2nd option being Edwards.
2011 Edmonton 11-7 as our 3rd option behind Stamps and Barnes.
2012 Edmonton 7-11 as our 2nd option behind Stamps
2013 Edmonton 4-14 as our 2nd option behind Stamps.

Please refute this.

Thanks.

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11-05-2013, 03:09 PM
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I present my argument with facts.

2004 North Carolina: Went 6-6, was their 2nd or 3rd option
2005: Sat out as he transferred to Oklahoma State
2006: 7-6, was their 1st option
2007: 7-6, was their 1st option
Went from 1st round projection to going undrafted due to a marijuana related arrest.

2008 Saskatchewan 12-6 as the Riders 5th passing option. (Dressler, Fantuz, Cates, and Bagg were ahead of him)
2009 Winnipeg 7-11 with Bowman as their 1st or 2nd option (him and terrance Edwards were like 1a and 1b)
2010 Winnipeg 4-14 with Bowman as their 2nd option being Edwards.
2011 Edmonton 11-7 as our 3rd option behind Stamps and Barnes.
2012 Edmonton 7-11 as our 2nd option behind Stamps
2013 Edmonton 4-14 as our 2nd option behind Stamps.

Please refute this.

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In what way is this a fact. Bowman was easily the second look receiver that year and tied Stamps in yds with 1,159 and this being tied for 4th in the CFL. Barnes had less receptions and far less yds. This was a standout year for Bowman and accordingly the club performed well.

Also please explain how Barnes had much of anything to do with our horrible 2012 season when he spent the vast majority of it injured.


Finally, what in hell does a Marijuana arrest over half a dozen years ago when he's around 20yrs old and in college have to do with anything? jebus I know a dozen people back in college days that didn't smoke weed..

War on pot? lol We should be thankful this possibly results in him being in the CFL because in a lot of ways he looks like NFL talent.


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In what way is this a fact. Bowman was easily the second look receiver that year and tied Stamps in yds with 1,159 and this being tied for 4th in the CFL. Barnes had less receptions and far less yds.

Also please explain how Barnes had much of anything to do with our horrible 2012 season when he spent the vast majority of it injured.
Okay, so i'll give you 2011. Refute any other years. That's once out of nine seasons.

Barnes was in Toronto in 2012.

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Okay, so i'll give you 2011. Refute any other years. That's once out of nine seasons.

Barnes was in Toronto in 2012.
I just refuted the one significant year Bowman has played here. With this latest one actually rounding into another.

Fact of the matter is Bowman has been gold here any time he's been on the field.

Dispute that.

Why should I worry what he was doing in college. I see what he brings now. Adjust your vision to the now.


ps Again, Bowman was injured 2012. In the 2nd game afairc. Why are you even bringing up 2012?

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If Bowman was healthy the last 2 years is Kavis still the head coach?

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If Bowman was healthy the last 2 years is Kavis still the head coach?
Thats the one possibly bad argument you could make about Bowmans meaning to the club.

Like I said earlier if Bowman is healthy all of this year this club wins about 4-5 of the close games they had this season and makes the playoffs. i really think he makes that much of a difference to the offenses psyche.

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Okay, so i'll give you 2011. Refute any other years. That's once out of nine seasons.

Barnes was in Toronto in 2012.
In what way does a football teams record, rely primarily on one receiver?

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Maybe I'm totally out to lunch. Dunno.

I just hope Hervey brings in some offensive talent.

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Calling out Bowman as one of the problems is asinine. One of the best possession receivers in the league, and one of the best open field blockers as well. To be honest, I think he's better than Fred Stamps, and that's no shot at Stamps.

Our record with Bowman in the lineup: 15-12

Without him: 8-22

Pretty good argument that he's been our overall MVP since he arrived here.

Calling out his college career is bizarre to say the least. Oklahoma State had been irrelevant for ages until Mike Gundy showed up and rebuilt the program. They won two Bowl games with Bowman in his two years there after winning one Bowl game in the previous 17 years. He was their star receiver as they started the successful path towards what they would become with Weeden, Bryant, and Blackmon.

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Calling out Bowman as one of the problems is asinine. One of the best possession receivers in the league, and one of the best open field blockers as well. To be honest, I think he's better than Fred Stamps, and that's no shot at Stamps.

Our record with Bowman in the lineup: 15-12

Without him: 8-22

Pretty good argument that he's been our overall MVP since he arrived here.

Calling out his college career is bizarre to say the least. Oklahoma State had been irrelevant for ages until Mike Gundy showed up and rebuilt the program. They won two Bowl games with Bowman in his two years there after winning one Bowl game in the previous 17 years. He was their star receiver as they started the successful path towards what they would become with Weeden, Bryant, and Blackmon.
Right, Les Miles had nothing to do with OSU turning it around...including beatdowns of defending national champion Oklahoma in 2001 and 2002.
Remind me again how Gundy has done against Oklahoma?

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what did Bowman do to you lol... he's the very least of our problems

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Right, Les Miles had nothing to do with OSU turning it around...including beatdowns of defending national champion Oklahoma in 2001 and 2002.
Remind me again how Gundy has done against Oklahoma?
Why would you cherry pick a single matchup? If we're going to do that I guess we could point out unranked Texas Tech kicking Miles' ass around the field repeatedly. Gundy smoked OU two years ago, and suffered razor-thin losses last year and in 2010. Nothing to hang your head over.

Since 2008, by which time the team was made up almost entirely of Gundy recruits, the Cowboys have gone 56-17. They had two good seasons under Miles, who left the program in shambles upon jumping ship, and they struggled with the recruits he left them. State should have been playing LSU for the national championship in 2011 if they didn't get screwed over by the SEC-bias that put Alabama in the game instead.

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