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12-17-2006, 01:26 PM
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Who scored the two goals??
Sorry maria it was Ryan craig and St. louis...but like it matters. YOu know what guys if we keep playing like this i say we bench both denis and homer and let our rookies get some ice time.....might as well let the young guys get exp because expecting us to make the playoffs never the less contend for the cup with the way were playing is borderline insanity

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Thanks, i know it doesn't change anything, im just happy that Ryan scored.

How did Vinny and Brad play? i forgot to tape it.

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12-17-2006, 03:54 PM
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I think Affy deserves more of a chance. He's a good player, with great hands. He should be given more opportunities.
I really have to disagree with you here. Affy doesn't have anything close to "great hands." He has been given an opportunity and he failed. He is a good stickhandler, but it means nothing if he can't finish. The only time he had success was 1999 in juniors.


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I entirely disagree, Burkie is an amazing goalie, who deserves far better treatment than what this organization has given him. He has far more talent than Denis and holmqvist put together.
Burke was a good goalie during his career. He is not anymore. Nice guy, but means nothing if the puck always gets behind him. He can't even find success in the AHL. He would get slaughtered in the quicker NHL!!!!!

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12-17-2006, 04:05 PM
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Well, I think you're wrong in regards to both instances. Torts himself said that Affy has great hands.

Burkie wasnt slaughtered last year.


You're just wrong

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12-17-2006, 04:14 PM
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Where'd everyone else go?
Vacation until next week. Didn't see the game, but heard some of it on my laptop. Sounded like Denis played well, but the defense in front of him didn't do much to help.

Afansenkov has had his chances to be a scoring line winger. He's been paired with Lecavalier at times last year, he's been on a line with Richards and Marty....yet he continues to fail to put up numbers. Oh sure, he's got great hands that makes some nifty dekes.....then he misses the net completely with the shot. He played his best in 03-04 when he was on the checking line with Andy and Taylor. Since then, he's been useless. He'll have a two goal game every once in a while and then do nothing for six weeks. He has tools, but it doesn't look like he will ever put it all together to become a top 6 winger.

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Well, I think you're wrong in regards to both instances. Torts himself said that Affy has great hands.

Burkie wasnt slaughtered last year.


You're just wrong
Strike that, reverse it.

Vgirl, you're not going to impress anyone with your hockey IQ if the two guys you are trumpeting are Afanasenkov and Burke. One of them has a measley 3 goals and 3 assists despite some prime ice time/linemates and might not even have a future in the NHL. The other IS most definitely struggling in the AHL. That's A ... the minors. I agree with the poster that said he would get slaughtered in the NHL right now. Old players eventually retire, Vgirl. You have to accept that they don't all want to retire, most of them HAVE to retire.

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12-17-2006, 05:02 PM
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Strike that, reverse it.

Vgirl, you're not going to impress anyone with your hockey IQ if the two guys you are trumpeting are Afanasenkov and Burke. One of them has a measley 3 goals and 3 assists despite some prime ice time/linemates and might not even have a future in the NHL. The other IS most definitely struggling in the AHL. That's A ... the minors. I agree with the poster that said he would get slaughtered in the NHL right now. Old players eventually retire, Vgirl. You have to accept that they don't all want to retire, most of them HAVE to retire.
I'm not trying to impress anyone, I'm putting my opinions out there, which I believe, is a right I was guaranteed by the Bill of Rights (see the Constitution). Just because my opinions are different than others' that doesnt mean I'm necessarily wrong.

Affy had prime ice time with good linemates at the beginning of the year, and how many points did Richards have with him? He cant be both play maker and scorer. The guy was on the line only at the beginning of the season, and the whole team wasnt playing its best hockey (then again, it's still not playing its best hockey). Everyone started hating on him because of one bad "hope pass", but what everyone else fails to notice is that he's not the only one to make mistakes like that.

Yes players retire, but its usually their choice when to hang 'em up. I dont think it should be a team to make the decision for the guy.

How's he supposed to get out of a slump if he's not allowed to touch the surface of the ice?

He was pretty damn good last year. He gave us a chance to win game 5 against Ottawa, he was able to beat the ***** Cats, he shut out his former team, he was gold when given the opportunity to play consistently.

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12-17-2006, 05:04 PM
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Vacation until next week. Didn't see the game, but heard some of it on my laptop. Sounded like Denis played well, but the defense in front of him didn't do much to help.

Afansenkov has had his chances to be a scoring line winger. He's been paired with Lecavalier at times last year, he's been on a line with Richards and Marty....yet he continues to fail to put up numbers. Oh sure, he's got great hands that makes some nifty dekes.....then he misses the net completely with the shot. He played his best in 03-04 when he was on the checking line with Andy and Taylor. Since then, he's been useless. He'll have a two goal game every once in a while and then do nothing for six weeks. He has tools, but it doesn't look like he will ever put it all together to become a top 6 winger.
He has not been useless! He won the game against the Bruins last year right before Olympic break. He is a good player, and deserves a chance to play on a top line consistently. He's been on top line for what? 3 games? He isnt used to it, he needs a period of time to get used to it.

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12-17-2006, 05:52 PM
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If you deserve to be on a scoring line, you have to at least show that you can contribute to the offensive statsheet. Affy has not done that on ANY line. You might think he's a good player, but you're pretty much alone in that opinion. You might want to reconsider it. Just a friendly suggestion. Affy hasn't exactly proven he belongs in the NHL, and at age 26, his chances might soon run out. He has OK speed and can stickhandle, but those aren't the skills that get you an NHL career - you have to be able to do something like score or pass or hit or fight. I have yet to see Affy actually do any of those things consistently well. But if you have, I'd love to hear some facts to back up such an assertion.

Oh and if you want to see what it looks like when a player performs his way on to a scoring line and then actually scores enough to DESERVE to stay there - look at Eric Perrin.

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12-17-2006, 08:44 PM
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Save percentage and goals against mean nothing. If a goalie has a GAA of 7 and the team averages 10 goals a game it really doesn't matter does it?
Huh?

We give up 7 goals a game, and this place will get ugly.

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12-17-2006, 09:18 PM
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I think his point is that is doesn't matter what the goalie stats look like as long as they're getting the W.

Which isn't really relevant, cause the stats look like trash, and we aren't getting the W's.

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12-17-2006, 11:42 PM
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He has not been useless! He won the game against the Bruins last year right before Olympic break. He is a good player, and deserves a chance to play on a top line consistently. He's been on top line for what? 3 games? He isnt used to it, he needs a period of time to get used to it.
Every dog has its day.

Just like others and myself have said, he was given a chance to be on the top line. He failed. He is a good stickhandler who can't finish. It means nothing when he can't score nor pass it to other teammates. Based on the stats provided, where are those great hands? I don't care what Torts have said. Stats don't lie.

Burke a good goalie???? Can you explain the 7 games played, 4.52 GAA and .856 save percentage? I like Burke, but he is way past his prime. He is a mediocore back up at best. I would much rather have Boutin or Ramo up with the big club than Burke.

IMO, what this team is lacking is (1) a shooter and (2) toughness. We are hurting without Modin. He meant more to this team than most realized. When I say toughness, I don't mean lack of enforcers. There is no physical play. Nobody takes the body. Is it the coaching that prevents this or the players? If it's coaching, there MUST be a change. I would like to see more players like Dustin Brown. Guys who are willing to take the body. The day of bonafide enforcers are dead. Just my two cents.

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12-18-2006, 05:48 AM
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I have become numb to the ineptness that is the Tampa Bay Lightning.

And, please stop bringing up Sean Burke and how he's a "great" goalie. You're just baiting everyone around here.


On both points.

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I sense this thread going down an ugly path, and I am too tired to deal with any of that today. So I am going to shut it down.

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