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11-07-2013, 08:24 AM
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Regardless of whether or not he's available, the Oilers are doing a lousy job with Yakupov's development, IMO. I don't know why they're so scared of sending him to the AHL. He needs to play. Not sit in the press box while Linus Omark takes his spot.

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11-07-2013, 08:26 AM
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Regardless of whether or not he's available, the Oilers are doing a lousy job with Yakupov's development, IMO. I don't know why they're so scared of sending him to the AHL. He needs to play. Not sit in the press box while Linus Omark takes his spot.
The Oilers are a gong show from their front office straight down to the product on the ice. They fire their coach every year. They want to improve their team by trading things they don't want. Never using a high pick to draft a D-man (until last year). The old boys getting back together to relive the glory days. Lowe thinks he knows what he's doing because he's won all those Stanley Cups as a player. Loved Lowe as a player, but as a part of management he's a disaster.

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Regardless of whether or not he's available, the Oilers are doing a lousy job with Yakupov's development, IMO. I don't know why they're so scared of sending him to the AHL. He needs to play. Not sit in the press box while Linus Omark takes his spot.

KHL flight risk. A move like that may lead to things getting sour, that's why. People need to realize that it isn't the post Cold War anymore, there is money in Russia. The hockey and soccer players over there are getting paid, and have minor to no tax regulations.

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11-07-2013, 08:30 AM
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Regardless of whether or not he's available, the Oilers are doing a lousy job with Yakupov's development, IMO. I don't know why they're so scared of sending him to the AHL. He needs to play. Not sit in the press box while Linus Omark takes his spot.
Im assuming Yakupov doesnt want to go to the AHL and they're placating him because of the possible flight risk to the AHL. Nobody wins in this situation.

Edmonton is a just another example of the good ol' boy network in the NHL. Their brain trust is filled with former players, which is a recipe for disaster.

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11-07-2013, 08:36 AM
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we were stealing yak anyway. the guy is a major talent. he will be a difference maker. bank on it.

a lesser deal with edmonton can still happen. hemsky is exactly the type of player slats would consider. and av knows his game. he can be had for mdz straightup but thats not a good deal imo. he is an offensive player but is 30, smallish and prone to injuries. he would add a rh shot and offensive skill to our pp and top 6 no doubt, and he can still dangle, but hes not enough of an overall upgrade. plus hes a fa. at 5 mil, i dont do that deal.

now that the oil brass is on record saying yak will not be moved that deal is toast. not happening. if hes moved now, mct will be laughed at.

as i have said many times in this thread, the oil were not going to give him away. but i always felt for the right deal, he was there to be had. that deal didnt materialize obviously. im fairly certain mct would have started with ryan mcdonough and or chris kreider and thats where the deal ended.

oh well, at the end of the day, we still need more offense and less mike del zotto.

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11-07-2013, 08:54 AM
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If Dreger is stupid, than what does that make you or anyone else who posts here?

The Yakupov stuff is dead - it was dead before it even started. Moving on....
Nuanced instead of stupid.

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11-07-2013, 08:57 AM
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Nuanced instead of stupid.
I just don't understand discounting some of the most legitimate sources in the game so you can continue a Yakupov fantasy.

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11-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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trading a 23 year old pending RFA dman for a soft 30 year old injury prone winger thats a pending UFA is a ridiculous idea.

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If the Rangers are trading Del Zotto to Edmonton and Yakupov (or Eberle, whose name hasn't really been floated) isn't the main piece coming back, then Petry better be part of the deal too.

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11-07-2013, 09:06 AM
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I just don't understand discounting some of the most legitimate sources in the game so you can continue a Yakupov fantasy.
Well this isn't about sources, its about interpreting them and passing on the message.

I could bet the house that EDM is exploring options. On the current market, that is a long term process. They are in no hurry to do anything, but something must be done. Its extremely important that they get whatever they do right, and I would bet that if they deliver a message as clear as they have that Yaks isn't getting moved right now in November, its because something can't get done right now. Not because they wouldn't consider the right deal.

So talk about EDM keeping their core and how they won't move certain pieces is just that, talk. BS. If I knew I couldn't move one of these guys in November I would tell the world that too if I was EDM.

Doesn't mean that they aren't exploring options or that they wouldn't pull of the right trade if it came along.

You might think that the above is just one way of saying "of course anyone has a price, Dreger is hardly disputing that", but it isn't. There are numerous players out there that GM's aren't considering dealing. I am saying that I am sure that EDM are considering dealing quite many players on that roster. Its just so obvious that in the coming year or two, they gotta stear that ship in the right direction.

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11-07-2013, 09:07 AM
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trading a 23 year old pending RFA dman for a soft 30 year old injury prone winger thats a pending UFA is a ridiculous idea.
Not so much if Edmonton's 1st rounder is involved.

But yes, Del Zotto has more value than to bring back a soft Ales Hemsky and a question mark of a pick. Hemsky might be a good addition to a contender looking to add a complimentary piece -- we are looking for more of an impact player.

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11-07-2013, 09:15 AM
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If Oilers 1st comes back it makes our 1st expendable.

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11-07-2013, 09:17 AM
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Well this isn't about sources, its about interpreting them and passing on the message.

I could bet the house that EDM is exploring options. On the current market, that is a long term process. They are in no hurry to do anything, but something must be done. Its extremely important that they get whatever they do right, and I would bet that if they deliver a message as clear as they have that Yaks isn't getting moved right now in November, its because something can't get done right now. Not because they wouldn't consider the right deal.

So talk about EDM keeping their core and how they won't move certain pieces is just that, talk. BS. If I knew I couldn't move one of these guys in November I would tell the world that too if I was EDM.

Doesn't mean that they aren't exploring options or that they wouldn't pull of the right trade if it came along.

You might think that the above is just one way of saying "of course anyone has a price, Dreger is hardly disputing that", but it isn't. There are numerous players out there that GM's aren't considering dealing. I am saying that I am sure that EDM are considering dealing quite many players on that roster. Its just so obvious that in the coming year or two, they gotta stear that ship in the right direction.
If you adhere to a philosophy of "Edmonton sucks, they must be getting ready to do SOMETHING," then you're basically opening yourself up to any rumor running wild, as the Yakupov one did the last couple of days.

The team said they are not trading him - many respected hockey analysts said they're not trading him. Thats good enough for me. Im going to go with that over your backseat perception of the situation.

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11-07-2013, 09:17 AM
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If the Rangers are trading Del Zotto to Edmonton and Yakupov (or Eberle, whose name hasn't really been floated) isn't the main piece coming back, then Petry better be part of the deal too.
I think Eberle could be in play. He's the one part of the "core" up there that's kind of viewed as expendable because he doesn't have that "first overall" pedigree that RNH, Hall and Yakupov have. I'd prefer him to Yakupov as well. The money would be tough to figure out though.

Petry is very good player. Highly underrated. Still, we really need to find a offensive defender sooner or later. Petry isn't really that guy. I think Moore winds up as our own version of Petry, which is a heck of a find, but he's not going to be the catalyst on the man-advantage.

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11-07-2013, 09:19 AM
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MDZ for Eberle? A redo of the 2008 draft . I'd do that deal for sure though. Love Eberle.

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I don't get why Eberle would be in play and Yakupov wouldn't. Eberle has proven much more than Yakupov, and doesn't have the "Russian factor" hanging around him like a cloud. Eberle is older and has a bigger contract, but I fail to see why they would realistically get rid of him before Yakupov.

One thing's for sure, though. Eventually, they're going to have to trade someone. They can't have that many forwards making that much money. You're going to start getting diminishing returns from 1st liners being paid like 1st liners, but getting 2nd line minutes. Sometimes, from a cap perspective, it's just best to have a true 2nd liner on a reasonable contract, giving you flexibility to spend elsewhere.

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11-07-2013, 09:34 AM
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Edmonton is exhibit 1A against the tanking argument.

Specifically, it proves that high draft picks don't always work out as well - or better yet - as quickly as people want them to.

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I think Eberle could be in play. He's the one part of the "core" up there that's kind of viewed as expendable because he doesn't have that "first overall" pedigree that RNH, Hall and Yakupov have. I'd prefer him to Yakupov as well. The money would be tough to figure out though.

Petry is very good player. Highly underrated. Still, we really need to find a offensive defender sooner or later. Petry isn't really that guy. I think Moore winds up as our own version of Petry, which is a heck of a find, but he's not going to be the catalyst on the man-advantage.
Well, I've never been one who thought we desperately need an offensive defender on the roster. We have enough all-around talent that it's just a matter of keeping a close watch on which D has the hot offensive hand an taking advantage of it. Like right now, that player is McDonagh. For me, Petry is about balancing our D group. And as I've said before, if we bring in a good RD before the end of the season, it means we can make a decision regarding Girardi that isn't "OMG we have no RD on the team! We HAVE to give G whatever he wants!"

I agree about Eberle being a guy more likely to move than Yakupov. The only problem, for me, is that Eberle has only really put up $6m numbers the one time. He's got very good 2nd line numbers outside of that one year. Yet, he'd be brought in here with the expectation of a 1st liner.

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I don't get why Eberle would be in play and Yakupov wouldn't. Eberle has proven much more than Yakupov, and doesn't have the "Russian factor" hanging around him like a cloud. Eberle is older and has a bigger contract, but I fail to see why they would realistically get rid of him before Yakupov.

One thing's for sure, though. Eventually, they're going to have to trade someone. They can't have that many forwards making that much money. You're going to start getting diminishing returns from 1st liners being paid like 1st liners, but getting 2nd line minutes. Sometimes, from a cap perspective, it's just best to have a true 2nd liner on a reasonable contract, giving you flexibility to spend elsewhere.
RW is the only real strength on that team, IMO. So if they're going to deal from a strength to fill a weakness, that's their only real option. Eberle, Yakupov and Hemsky. Like I mentioned, Yakupov has that "pedigree" as a first overall pick, and it's very tough to justify trading those players. Eberle can be spun as a "one trick pony" who was "overpaid" and "not living up to his contract", etc, etc.

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Well, I've never been one who thought we desperately need an offensive defender on the roster. We have enough all-around talent that it's just a matter of keeping a close watch on which D has the hot offensive hand an taking advantage of it. Like right now, that player is McDonagh. For me, Petry is about balancing our D group. And as I've said before, if we bring in a good RD before the end of the season, it means we can make a decision regarding Girardi that isn't "OMG we have no RD on the team! We HAVE to give G whatever he wants!"

I agree about Eberle being a guy more likely to move than Yakupov. The only problem, for me, is that Eberle has only really put up $6m numbers the one time. He's got very good 2nd line numbers outside of that one year. Yet, he'd be brought in here with the expectation of a 1st liner.
That's certainly a fair point. Petry would be a nice cushion in the event that Girardi is traded or walks as a free agent. I do have a hard time seeing them dealing him. In all likelihood, he's the guy they'd want to pair with a guy like Del Zotto.

I think Eberle is a first line talent, and he'd find that gear again on this team. $6M is just a bit north of 2nd line forward territory, and as the cap goes up, it should be even easier to deal with. It's more of a hunch than anything else, but I think that team is sucking the drive out of players. Eberle has never been lazy, or considered a perimeter player, but as that team has continued to flounder at the bottom of the league, he's getting those kinds of labels put on him. Even in a 'down year' last year, he was pacing for better than 60 points.

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