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11-07-2013, 09:42 AM
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The problem with Talbot wasn't Talbot, it was the coaching staff trying to use him as more than a 4th liner and PKer.

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Ouch. Glad to see he's practicing with the team, though.

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The problem with Talbot wasn't Talbot, it was the coaching staff trying to use him as more than a 4th liner and PKer.
Then, the problem becomes his cap hit, especially for a team close to the cap like the Flyers. Talbot's a good PKer and 4th liner, but he's not worth that hit for this team. There's a number of forwards who can do a job on the PK on this team. Hall, for example, may not be as effective as Talbot, but he can do a solid job on the PK and the 4th line (along with being a lot better at faceoffs) and he's getting paid less than half of what Talbot's getting. The trade was a no-brainer in my opinion. Talbot wasn't doing enough for what he was getting paid.

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11-07-2013, 10:37 AM
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Then, the problem becomes his cap hit, especially for a team close to the cap like the Flyers. Talbot's a good PKer and 4th liner, but he's not worth that hit for this team. There's a number of forwards who can do a job on the PK on this team. Hall, for example, may not be as effective as Talbot, but he can do a solid job on the PK and the 4th line (along with being a lot better at faceoffs) and he's getting paid less than half of what Talbot's getting. The trade was a no-brainer in my opinion. Talbot wasn't doing enough for what he was getting paid.
Meh. The cap hit wasn't the issue. Talbot is a versatile player that brings a lot to the table. His best role is as a 4th liner/PKer. But he can play third line minutes and not miss a beat. 4th liners are typically a dime-a-dozen, but Talbot is more than that. Adam Hall can't do close to what Talbot does. If Adam Hall was on the third line for more than a shift or two, the Flyers would be in serious trouble. If Max Talbot was on the third line, even the entire season, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Not ideal, for sure, but not the end of the world. Not to mention the leadership he brings to the table. The guy is making what, $1.7 against the cap? How much should be making? $1.4? Come on.

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11-07-2013, 11:17 AM
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Meh. The cap hit wasn't the issue. Talbot is a versatile player that brings a lot to the table. His best role is as a 4th liner/PKer. But he can play third line minutes and not miss a beat. 4th liners are typically a dime-a-dozen, but Talbot is more than that. Adam Hall can't do close to what Talbot does. If Adam Hall was on the third line for more than a shift or two, the Flyers would be in serious trouble. If Max Talbot was on the third line, even the entire season, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Not ideal, for sure, but not the end of the world. Not to mention the leadership he brings to the table. The guy is making what, $1.7 against the cap? How much should be making? $1.4? Come on.
Whilst Talbot may have shown versatility in his first year, he's looked nothing more than a 4th line/pk man since then. And I'm sorry, but there's plenty of guys out there who can do that job. I would not want Talbot filling in on the 3rd line for a prolonged period. . Given that they already have Lecavalier, Timonen, Streit, Giroux and Hartnell along with plenty of other experienced players leadership should not be an issue on this team either. I just think that money can be saved (particularly when you're getting a good player like Downie back) and spent elsewhere.

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11-07-2013, 11:40 AM
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Meh. The cap hit wasn't the issue. Talbot is a versatile player that brings a lot to the table. His best role is as a 4th liner/PKer. But he can play third line minutes and not miss a beat. 4th liners are typically a dime-a-dozen, but Talbot is more than that. Adam Hall can't do close to what Talbot does. If Adam Hall was on the third line for more than a shift or two, the Flyers would be in serious trouble. If Max Talbot was on the third line, even the entire season, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Not ideal, for sure, but not the end of the world. Not to mention the leadership he brings to the table. The guy is making what, $1.7 against the cap? How much should be making? $1.4? Come on.
You're seriously overestimating Talbot's ability to play on the third line. He was singlehandedly destroying it. He had the one good year and had been putrid on offense since. He's pretty much just as disastrous as Hall.

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In the full-body trauma that is the Flyers this season, Talbot and Hall are broken legs to the sucking chest wound that is Giroux / Voracek / B. Schenn / Read / Simmonds / Hartnell / Couturier losing their collective ability to score goals. Getting Downie for Talbot was an excellent hockey trade because of Downie's versatility, including better puck-handling and scoring touch. Downie just interrupted his benefit to the team by trying to fight outside his weight class in defense of a teammate.

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