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10-29-2013, 05:24 AM
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Absolutely none. He's already well on his way to ruining the Canucks PP which is clicking at a whopping 11% right now. He'll have a good record his first year as guys will play for him out of fear, playing his top guys 20 to 25 minutes a night. They will be heaf dead at the end of the season and he'll be canned after year 3.
The Canucks PP was already ruined. The Canucks PP was ranked 22nd last season (Newell Brown was in charge and not AV). As for guys playing out of fear, you don't know the Canucks locker room. Like I said, the Sedins were blocking shots on day 1. You think they are playing for Torts out of fear? One of the things AV is constantly praised for is having given the room to the players, but that might have led to idea that the team needed a kick in the pants. Time will tell whether those 20 to 25 minutes a night will result in the top players crashing and burning by the time the playoffs start, I am worried though.

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I am sorry but I still didn't like him at center even back then. He just had a monster year and I can bet that he would of put the same numbers regardless of the position that he played. Putting that season aside he has never produced that much as a center. This year is a perfect example of that. Torts put him on the wing and he started scoring. oh and he played pretty much his entire career as a winger.
Kesler put up two straight 70+ point seasons as a second-line CENTER. Kesler has played his entire professional career at center except during Sundin's time with the Canucks and this season. Don't know what you're talking about.

Back on topic, the Canucks under AV have had some poor starts in the past (mostly due to Luongo) and also has had some poor stretches, but AV has never lost the room. I think AV does do a good job of convincing his players that a bad stretch is simply a bad stretch and the wins will come. And for some reason, the Canucks under AV have tendency to lose badly when they lose with defensive breakdowns that allow the team to score some quick unanswered goals. It's not big deal though as it never affects the team's confidence. I'm thinking the same thing might happen with the Rangers.

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10-29-2013, 06:05 AM
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The Canucks PP was already ruined. The Canucks PP was ranked 22nd last season (Newell Brown was in charge and not AV). As for guys playing out of fear, you don't know the Canucks locker room. Like I said, the Sedins were blocking shots on day 1. You think they are playing for Torts out of fear? One of the things AV is constantly praised for is having given the room to the players, but that might have led to idea that the team needed a kick in the pants. Time will tell whether those 20 to 25 minutes a night will result in the top players crashing and burning by the time the playoffs start, I am worried though.



Kesler put up two straight 70+ point seasons as a second-line CENTER. Kesler has played his entire professional career at center except during Sundin's time with the Canucks and this season. Don't know what you're talking about.

Back on topic, the Canucks under AV have had some poor starts in the past (mostly due to Luongo) and also has had some poor stretches, but AV has never lost the room. I think AV does do a good job of convincing his players that a bad stretch is simply a bad stretch and the wins will come. And for some reason, the Canucks under AV have tendency to lose badly when they lose with defensive breakdowns that allow the team to score some quick unanswered goals. It's not big deal though as it never affects the team's confidence. I'm thinking the same thing might happen with the Rangers.
Tortorella and Sullivan have zero philosophy when it comes to running the PP. Brown had a philosophy. Guess what. AV shares the same philosophy. The Rangers have one right-handed shot. Stepan. AV has discussed the advantage of having righty shots on the PP.

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“When you're trying to run a power play with five left shots, which we were forced to do a lot this year, you're really swimming upstream. Seventy-seven per cent of the power-play goals are scored with at least two right shots, so that tells you a lot right there. Not to say there are exceptions to the rule, but when you have five left shots, or even four, your chances of scoring are diminished.

“Teams are so fast to get into the shot lanes these days,” Brown continued, “that if you can't take one-timers, if you aren't in position to take one-touch passes and move the puck quickly to shooters and shoot off the pass, you're at a big disadvantage. That was something we were dealing with this year.”

During the 2010-11 campaign, Brown had righties Sami Salo, Mikael Samuelsson and a healthy Ryan Kesler plus heavy-shooting lefty Christian Ehrhoff. Salo, Samuelsson and Ehrhoff were not around this season and Kesler was hurt for most of it.

“You know, it's funny,” Brown said. “When Ryan Kesler was in the lineup, our power play was at 22 per cent. I'm sure if we would have stayed healthy, we would have finished in the top 10. That's what makes these types of seasons a real challenge. So there are lots of things we can look at but the bottom line, and you hear it repeatedly, is it's a results-oriented business. That's why we're in the situation we're in right now.”
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2j6kHymJH

Kesler is healthy this season.

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10-29-2013, 07:03 AM
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Tortorella and Sullivan have zero philosophy when it comes to running the PP. Brown had a philosophy. Guess what. AV shares the same philosophy. The Rangers have one right-handed shot. Stepan. AV has discussed the advantage of having righty shots on the PP.



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2j6kHymJH

Kesler is healthy this season.
Rangers powerplay is 3-29 under Vigneault, and 1 for its last 15.

You know what the best PP philosophy is? Good players.

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Tortorella and Sullivan have zero philosophy when it comes to running the PP. Brown had a philosophy. Guess what. AV shares the same philosophy. The Rangers have one right-handed shot. Stepan. AV has discussed the advantage of having righty shots on the PP.



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2j6kHymJH

Kesler is healthy this season.
Good thing Torts and Sullivan aren't running the powerplay then.

Like I said a couple posts back, that's Gulutzan's job.

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10-29-2013, 08:04 AM
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You know what the best PP philosophy is? Good players.
Or maybe getting to a rebound every now and then.

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Kesler put up two straight 70+ point seasons as a second-line CENTER. Kesler has played his entire professional career at center except during Sundin's time with the Canucks and this season. Don't know what you're talking about.
No, his entire career he played as a winger! Only during AV's era in Vancouver he played as a center. If you watched the last couple games you would see that he is much more comfortable as a winger.

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Rangers powerplay is 3-29 under Vigneault, and 1 for its last 15.

You know what the best PP philosophy is? Good players.
Somebody gets it.

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Apparently Torts hasn't made the Canucks practice even once in the past 10 days. Did he ever go that easy on the Rangers?

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Rangers powerplay is 3-29 under Vigneault, and 1 for its last 15.

You know what the best PP philosophy is? Good players.
At the time you made this post we had 5 PPGs not 3, and I'm pretty sure the PP was 5 for 27 at 18.5%. It's 2 for 9 since then, currently at 7 for 36 and 19.4% on the season. It's still super early in the season, but the PP is showing flashes of looking better than it has in years.

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On whether he was surprised the Rangers fired John Tortorella: “Not really. I think my relationship with Torts fell apart the last year I was there and I just felt like his relationships with some of the other players could be doing the same thing so I guess that sums it up as to why I wasn’t completely surprised that it happened.”

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Seems like Bleed Rangers Blue, Kershaw, and Drew all like to beat the drum of the Rangers having no good players and it not being Torts' fault. The PP is above average without its best forward and looks dangerous even when they don't score. But those guys get off on the Rangers sucking so they continue to beat the "Rangers players are the worst ever" drum. We also weren't supposed to be able to play the system we're playing now because we have no good players.

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So if NYR PP started 5 for 27 and is now 16 for 53 that makes us 11 for 26 since that time. 11 for 26 is 42.3%!

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So if NYR PP started 5 for 27 and is now 16 for 53 that makes us 11 for 26 since that time. 11 for 26 is 42.3%!
So we've turned into the best powerplay team of all time. Cool.

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Torts is the best though. Girardi and not McDonagh on the PP? Genius.

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Seems like Bleed Rangers Blue, Kershaw, and Drew all like to beat the drum of the Rangers having no good players and it not being Torts' fault. The PP is above average without its best forward and looks dangerous even when they don't score. But those guys get off on the Rangers sucking so they continue to beat the "Rangers players are the worst ever" drum. We also weren't supposed to be able to play the system we're playing now because we have no good players.
Pretty ballsy stuff to say being this team has just managed to crawl out of the sewer and get to .500. The only thing Ill give you is the PP - it looks much better and Torts botched that.

Pittsburgh was a nice win - but lets see what happens when the schedule isn't loaded up with the Buffalo's, Carolina's, Islanders, and Columbus' of the world. As usual, you're shooting your mouth off too early.

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Pretty ballsy stuff to say being this team has just managed to crawl out of the sewer and get to .500. The only thing Ill give you is the PP - it looks much better and Torts botched that.

Pittsburgh was a nice win - but lets see what happens when the schedule isn't loaded up with the Buffalo's, Carolina's, Islanders, and Columbus' of the world. As usual, you're shooting your mouth off too early.
Surprised you're still showing your face around here. Shouldn't you be a Bruins fan or something by now? "Bleed Bruins Yellow" maybe

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Surprised you're still showing your face around here. Shouldn't you be a Bruins fan or something by now? "Bleed Bruins Yellow" maybe
Im here now, and Ill be here when you sheep inevitably turn on Vigneault too.

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Im here now, and Ill be here when you sheep inevitably turn on Vigneault too.
I dunno, if I turned on my supposed favorite team with barely a dozen games into a new season (with a new coach and key players injured no less), I'd be pretty embarrassed.

That actually applies to a lot of guys around here, especially the people riding Hank out of town. Total disgrace

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the pp looks better. torts and sully were clueless.

the passing is better. the overall puck movement is better. were taking more shots. guys arent standing around as much. we actually control teh puck in the zone for long stretches.

zuc on the pp is a good thing. not real crazy about callahan on the pp but whatever. miller and kreider belong near the crease on every pp. suddenly mcdonagh seems comfortable there as well.

nash would make a huge difference. as would a legit bomber at the top.

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I dunno, if I turned on my supposed favorite team with barely a dozen games into a new season (with a new coach and key players injured no less), I'd be pretty embarrassed.

That actually applies to a lot of guys around here
I think you need to examine the definition between turning on a team and criticizing a team. The saddest thing in the entire situation are the people beating their chests like they're some sort of super fan.

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I think you need to examine the definition between turning on a team and criticizing a team. The saddest thing in the entire situation are the people beating their chests like they're some sort of super fan.
I don't see anyone beating chests about anything. The sad thing is "fans" having ZERO faith in their team at the first sign of adversity.

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Lovely Kel & you Torts choir boyz
Interesting how the relationship with Torts "fell apart" at the same time he was playing awful.

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People wanting a coach fired not even 15 games into an 82-game season is the sole definition of turning your back on the team. (Not saying specific names nor do I have to.)

You can criticize a team. That's not a problem. But when certain individuals (and I need to emphasize this point, because it really is utterly ridiculous) want a coach fired and half the players bought out not even 15 games into a season of 82, one cannot possibly argue that they're "loyal" to their team.

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I don't see anyone beating chests about anything. The sad thing is "fans" having ZERO faith in their team at the first sign of adversity.
Why should we have faith? What has this organization done over the past 13 years to earn the benefit of the doubt? The team went through its usual offseason overhaul and they brought in players with question marks — Pouliot and D Moore most notably.

And with the way the team started out, why should they have gotten the benefit of the doubt? It's taken a lot to get the team to where it is now. And even now, they've really only had two good wins against quality teams (LA and PIT).

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