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11-04-2013, 11:00 PM
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this is not the coaches problem. if anything we had been outshooting teams. Look at the bottom 6 of this team right now and its a joke

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11-04-2013, 11:05 PM
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Hearing a lot of this 'swarm' defense and the more i've read about it, the more it looks like a system that can only work in the AHL, tops. At least the aggressive form of it.

imho NHL teams are too quick and too smart to be fooled by this kind of pressure. They'll find the open man (or men) more often than not, either by using the boards or via nice saucer passes.

And when it works, they'll get the puck back after swarming the corner. But now what? They're all so bunched together that a swift breakout is impossible. Chances are they'll just turn the puck back over again.

I dunno much about it, actually, but this is the impression i get. Is there something i'm not seeing where the swarm could work in the Nhl?
The Canucks under tortorella will at times use a version of it in the defensive zone, but it's situational and from what I understand is not as extreme as Eakins version

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11-04-2013, 11:06 PM
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Eakins is the best coach in the league. Will win Jack Adams next season if not this season.
Wat.

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11-04-2013, 11:08 PM
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Wat.
I believe that's sarcasm

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11-04-2013, 11:08 PM
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5th in ice time. Not top 4. get over it.
Good work avoiding that point.

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if 23-24 yr old part-time 30pt wingers are the best a team has developed in the past 10 drafts, then that is not a team we should be looking at as a model of development.
As I recall, Datsyuk's first full season was at 23 and he only put up 35 points. Swing and a miss.

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11-04-2013, 11:09 PM
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And that was on a line with Brett Hull...

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11-04-2013, 11:10 PM
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Pat Quinn was a great coach but he was passed his time and was pretty out of touch when he got the job as the Oilers coach. His personnel choices were puzzling, you could tell he wasn't farmiliar with any of his own players what so ever.

JF Jacques and Ryan Stone played in the Oilers top-6 under Quinn.

Who you ask? Exactly.
Both big guys who brought something different. Maybe he was sending a message about composition

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11-04-2013, 11:10 PM
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5th in ice time = not top-4

(i.e. 1,2,3,4 = top-4, 5,6 = not top-4)


but yes, we can use 36yr old Datsyuk as an example of Detroit's current great development system.

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11-04-2013, 11:22 PM
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5th in ice time = not top-4

(i.e. 1,2,3,4 = top-4, 5,6 = not top-4)


but yes, we can use 36yr old Datsyuk as an example of Detroit's current great development system.
What the hell does Detroit have to do with the Oilers and Dallas Eakins

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11-05-2013, 01:37 AM
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5th in ice time = not top-4

(i.e. 1,2,3,4 = top-4, 5,6 = not top-4)
Conveniently avoided it again...

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but yes, we can use 36yr old Datsyuk as an example of Detroit's current great development system.
It's pretty clear you're not tracking this conversation at all.

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11-05-2013, 01:46 AM
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Gotta think it is the players, given how many coaches have been able to do so little. By that same token, you would think trading their 1st and Yak (in separate trades) while they are looking to finish close to the bottom could bring in a couple D-men and a bit of grit up front.....
Their first, Yakupov, impending UFA Hemsky, Dubnyk, possibly Sam Gagner...

I don't know if I'd trade Yakupov though.

Hall - #### - ####
Perron - #### - Eberle
Yakupov - RNH - ####
Joensuu - Gordon - ####

Yikes.


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11-05-2013, 07:32 AM
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That team lacks serious depth and character. It's problems are more than Eakins can really handle.

Until it gets good bottom 6 and blueline talent, forget improvement there.

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11-05-2013, 09:24 AM
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This is how I recall it happening, Gillis interviewed a ton of candidates, Torts, Eakins, Ruff, Gulutzan, Martin, Stevens and Arniel. I may even be missing one but fans were getting impatient about the coaching hire and Gillis drawing out the process but the results couldn't have been better. Tortorella was the right guy for the job.

MacT didn't even interview anyone else for the head coaching job because he still hadn't fired Krugeur while he was interviewing Eakins. That screams rookie GM move to me. Wouldn't you want to interview multiple candidates to determine the best one possible?

As for Eakins the media made it seem as though he chose Edmonton over all the other teams that wanted him. I know that wasn't the case with the Canucks and I think he interviewed with the Avs and Rangers. Does anyone know if he had second interviews with those teams?
He never interviewed with the Avs, just expressed interest in the job. Sakic never considered anyone other than Roy.

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11-05-2013, 09:26 AM
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Their first, Yakupov, impending UFA Hemsky, Dubnyk, possibly Sam Gagner...

I don't know if I'd trade Yakupov though.

Hall - #### - ####
Perron - #### - Eberle
Yakupov - RNH - ####
Joensuu - Gordon - ####

Yikes.
Wtf are with those lines?

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11-05-2013, 09:33 AM
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Their first, Yakupov, impending UFA Hemsky, Dubnyk, possibly Sam Gagner...

I don't know if I'd trade Yakupov though.

Hall - #### - ####
Perron - #### - Eberle
Yakupov - RNH - ####
Joensuu - Gordon - ####

Yikes.
Are you drunk? Pretty sure it's

-####-####-Joensuu
Perron-####-####
Yakupov-Gordon-Eberle
####-RNH-Hall

There you go.

Also, Eakins is awful. I hope to god he pulls it together.

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11-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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Is there any sign he's considering that his system just doesn't work? That it's him not JUST the players?

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11-09-2013, 03:19 PM
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Laviolette is looking for a job...

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11-09-2013, 03:19 PM
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He never interviewed with the Avs, just expressed interest in the job. Sakic never considered anyone other than Roy.
So Eakins was so confident in his coaching ability, that he was the one picking and choosing what teams to go to?

Terrible coach, every other team that showed an ounce of interest in hiring him must be relieved right now.

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11-09-2013, 03:22 PM
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So Eakins was so confident in his coaching ability, that he was the one picking and choosing what teams to go to?

Terrible coach, every other team that showed an ounce of interest in hiring him must be relieved right now.
I don't think it was something Eakins said. More that it was believed to be interested in the Avs or Oilers HC job. It's not strange considering the young talent on the teams.

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11-09-2013, 03:41 PM
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I have no reason to defend Eakins. If I felt he was the problem, I'd say so.

You watch the game and see it's not his fault. There is just no execution. It's not his fault that the players can't complete a pass. He's not telling the goaltending to let in softies. Abandoning your man I'm the defensive zone isn't part of his system.

It's the players. They're terrible. Since 2009 the Oilers have had 5 coaches. When does it stop being the coaches fault? Eakins didn't build the team.

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11-09-2013, 03:53 PM
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The most common way for a coach to be bad in a pro sport, is to be rigid in a system and trying to make the players fit it. Instead of building a system that fits the players best.

For NBA fans, great example is Terry Porter's failure taking over for the Nash Suns after Mike D'Antoni when they were perennially run and gun - and Porter making them try and play his slow defensive style. Same thing is happening with Brian Shaw and the Nuggets. Shaw has had hype for years as a future HC because he was Phil Jackson's assistant in LA... but now he's taking a Nuggets team built to run and take advantage of the altitude, that's low in the skill and IQ department, but he's trying to make them play a more halfcourt skill based style and it's been awful...

Eakins is an arrogant dink who's attitude isn't to build the system that fits his players best. Wrong coach.

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