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11-10-2013, 04:16 PM
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Who do you keep as a 7th D?
I would assume they'd give Ellis more of a chance. Unless he really sucked in camp for the dogs.

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11-10-2013, 04:18 PM
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I would assume they'd give Ellis more of a chance. Unless he really sucked in camp for the dogs.
Ellis is playing. The problem is that Dietz is injured. And yeah, they don't seem very high on Ellis at the moment. He's not exactly proving them wrong with the turnover he just made. Tuesday Emelin is back and pateryn will be down with the dogs.

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Courtnall appears to be the Darche of the team. #Bloodlines

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11-10-2013, 04:21 PM
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Courtnall appears to be the Darche of the team. #Bloodlines
It was him who made that brutal giveaway up the middle just now, right? I didn't see it very well, and I coldn't figure out if it was him or Tinordi.

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It was him who made that brutal giveaway up the middle just now, right? I didn't see it very well, and I coldn't figure out if it was him or Tinordi.
Was #9 so Courtnall. Takes me a good 8 seconds to ID players with this quality. Can't even tell who is short/tall.

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11-10-2013, 04:25 PM
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Leblanc with another giveaway leading to a two on one. He's got to want the puck more. These aren't even bad passes and he's losing the puck.

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Leblanc with another giveaway leading to a two on one. He's got to want the puck more. These aren't even bad passes and he's losing the puck.
The beaulieu pass before was pretty wobbly iirc.

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11-10-2013, 04:28 PM
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I saw the shots were 17-4 for Hamilton at one point.

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I saw the shots were 17-4 for Hamilton at one point.
They were at one point. I guess lefebvre doesn't have his trash-can kicking down.

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hahahah what a ****ing botched offside call. Andrighetto scores!!

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AndriGODo scores. Dogs were clearly off-side but we'll pretend that didn't happen.

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Do you actually ever watch any hockey?


On paper, the Bulldogs are still a weak team this year, because they rely mostly on young players, St-Pierre and Blunden being the only two veterans playing a bigger role on the lineup. St-Pierre is probably the only legit first liner the have, while there's not much else in terms of offense after Leblanc and Andrighetto. The Bulldogs' offense is legitimatly bad for the AHL.

The defense is better, but again those are really young players. And goaltending is fine.

In comparison the Marlies have a better team, but only because the use a bunch of veterans like Spencer Abbott and TJ Brennan in the roster.

But clearly, the Bulldogs are not a .500 team again this year, but that's not the point anyways.

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Mods giving the exemple...good stuff. After that people wonder why this board has reached such a sad state.

On paper, the Bulldogs are still a weak team this year, because they rely mostly on young players, St-Pierre and Blunden being the only two veterans playing a bigger role on the lineup. St-Pierre is probably the only legit first liner the have, while there's not much else in terms of offense after Leblanc and Andrighetto. The Bulldogs' offense is legitimatly bad for the AHL.

The defense is better, but again those are really young players. And goaltending is fine.

In comparison the Marlies have a better team, but only because the use a bunch of veterans like Spencer Abbott and TJ Brennan in the roster.

But clearly, the Bulldogs are not a .500 team again this year, but that's not the point anyways.
Manchester are the #1 team in the AHL and their oldest player is 27. Almost their entire top 6/4 are under 23.

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11-10-2013, 04:48 PM
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Manchester are the #1 team in the AHL and their oldest player is 27. Almost their entire top 6/4 are under 23.
Well, good for them, the point was that Bulldogs won't have a good year with that offense, unless the goalies stand on their head.

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Well, good for them, the point was that Bulldogs won't have a good year with that offense, unless the goalies stand on their head.
You do know that they're having a good year as we speak right? Despite missing a bunch of their top players (Tinordi, Pateryn, Beaulieu, St-Pierre, Blunden, Leblanc, Holland, Bournival, Dumont)...

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Tokarski nice breakaway save on Booth. Didn't know Booth was in the AHL. We should send DD there.

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On paper, the Bulldogs are still a weak team this year, because they rely mostly on young players, St-Pierre and Blunden being the only two veterans playing a bigger role on the lineup. St-Pierre is probably the only legit first liner the have, while there's not much else in terms of offense after Leblanc and Andrighetto. The Bulldogs' offense is legitimatly bad for the AHL.

The defense is better, but again those are really young players. And goaltending is fine.

In comparison the Marlies have a better team, but only because the use a bunch of veterans like Spencer Abbott and TJ Brennan in the roster.

But clearly, the Bulldogs are not a .500 team again this year, but that's not the point anyways.
Sorry, but you do have a habit of passing judgment on prospects by stat line watching, as oppposed to watching them actually play. Collberg, for example.

Simply tossing out being 'young' is not a real argument. There are and have been many young teams in the AHL that have finished above .500.

Skill? Andrighetto is a legit 1st liner from what he's shown so far. I imagine he gets better as the year goes on. Leblanc is another one who can be a 1st liner at the AHL level on any given day. St-pierre, as you said is one as well. They're also missing a solid contributor in Thomas right now, who could have flirted with a ppg pace this year. Nystrom has shown a **** ton of skill, and aliu has been a nice surprise. And blunden is another above average (but old). We're pretty stacked at D with a top 4 of Beaulieu, tinordi, Pateryn and Nygren.

And Tokarski is no slouch.

Last time they played, Hamilton took it to toronto all night and looked like the better team. You're clearly not giving them enough credit.

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Honestly Beaulieu is terrible defensively.

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11-10-2013, 05:32 PM
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Honestly Beaulieu is terrible defensively.
Starting to wonder if Nathan will ever evolve his defensive game. Does not seem to be improving

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Starting to wonder if Nathan will ever evolve his defensive game. Does not seem to be improving
He improved leaps abd bounds last year.

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He improved leaps abd bounds last year.
He's been ice for just about every goal against for the Dogs in every game he's played for them.

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To be fair, did you guys really think that Tinordi or Beaulieu would require only 1 AHL season ? I'm actually stoked by what they have shown thus far in the NHL even though they are not quite ready to be constant contributors there yet. Leblanc has been mishandled though, by all account.
Point was....where is the proof that he's so great at developing. I have no doubts it takes time to evolve as a plalyer, especially when you have a lot of things to work on. We haven't been lucky or great enough to pick up a player that was close to perfection and/or had the kind of improvement and growth that nobody could have predicted. The "close to perfection" happens mostly in top 5 picks. While the other, well it's a whole lot about luck and incredible readings. Timmins is mostly good on that but on later rounds. Our first rounders have been rather ordinairy to be honest.

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11-10-2013, 08:04 PM
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Honestly Beaulieu is terrible defensively.
If you think he's bad now, you should have seen him last season. He has gotten better, though.

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Sorry, but you do have a habit of passing judgment on prospects by stat line watching, as oppposed to watching them actually play. Collberg, for example.

Simply tossing out being 'young' is not a real argument. There are and have been many young teams in the AHL that have finished above .500.

Skill? Andrighetto is a legit 1st liner from what he's shown so far. I imagine he gets better as the year goes on. Leblanc is another one who can be a 1st liner at the AHL level on any given day. St-pierre, as you said is one as well. They're also missing a solid contributor in Thomas right now, who could have flirted with a ppg pace this year. Nystrom has shown a **** ton of skill, and aliu has been a nice surprise. And blunden is another above average (but old). We're pretty stacked at D with a top 4 of Beaulieu, tinordi, Pateryn and Nygren.

And Tokarski is no slouch.

Last time they played, Hamilton took it to toronto all night and looked like the better team. You're clearly not giving them enough credit.
You might be mistaking me for someone else, because I don't think Collberg's game will translate well in North America, and especially not in the NHL. Except maybe as a power play specialist. And this no matter how many points he will put up in the SHL. But it seems you can't have a critical analysis of any prospect in here without getting insulted by everyone.

As for the Bulldogs, they are missing an entire 1st or 2nd line imo. Leblanc won't stay at a ppg. Thomas is a wildcard, but even if he plays better than expected, Blunden and Dumont aren't top-6 players.


And there's certainly not a lot of depth on this roster especially on offense. For them to have a good season, everything would have to go better than expected.

But that probably won't happen, and in a month or two, people will be blaming their poor record on the coaching staff.

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Point was....where is the proof that he's so great at developing. I have no doubts it takes time to evolve as a plalyer, especially when you have a lot of things to work on. We haven't been lucky or great enough to pick up a player that was close to perfection and/or had the kind of improvement and growth that nobody could have predicted. The "close to perfection" happens mostly in top 5 picks. While the other, well it's a whole lot about luck and incredible readings. Timmins is mostly good on that but on later rounds. Our first rounders have been rather ordinairy to be honest.
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