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11-10-2013, 11:17 PM
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Who said anything about one 48th of a game?
A peccadillo of mine, stemming from a ludicrous argument during the recent MLD Assassination/playoffs vs an opponent.

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11-10-2013, 11:31 PM
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Total Qual Playoffs Notable?
Warren Godfrey 10.50 -0.21 52
Alex Smith 9.96 -0.06 34*
Reg Hamilton 8.64 0.40 66*
Joe Cooper 8.41 -0.08 38*
Hal Laycoe 7.98 -0.16 40
Bill Brydge 7.96 -0.47 4*
Stewart Evans 7.73 0.04 35*
Alex Levinsky 7.66 0.03 42
Lou Fontinato 7.64 -0.08 21 Heavyweight fighter
Al Langlois 7.10 0.14 53
Ted Graham 6.71 -0.12 34*
Bill Juzda 6.52 0.06 42 Epic bodychecker
Murray Henderson 6.48 -0.03 41
Al MacNeil 6.43 0.39 37
Lee Fogolin Sr. 6.20 -0.34 28
Ralph Bowman 5.71 -0.22 26* Semi-significant Norris votes
Frank Eddolls 5.05 0.06 31 made one ASG on merit
Larry Hillman 5.01 0.28 63 Decorated AHL player, notoriously deep leaf lineup, played 6 seasons after expansion
Al Dewsbury 5.01 -0.77 14
Joe Jerwa 4.94 -0.17 20 Twice 2nd in defense points
Kent Douglas 4.04 0.29 19 Semi-significant Norris votes, some AHL awards, deep leaf lineup, 2 seasons post-expansion
Hugh Bolton 3.36 0.03 17 Semi-significant Norris votes
Hal Laycoe was tall (6'2 or 6'3 depending on the source) with positionally-smart stay-at-home play ... a tall, steady eddie

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11-10-2013, 11:33 PM
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A quandry:

Got to pick a 3rd line CTR, someone who can play the PK preferably.

Narrowed it down to 2 players.

BLAH, BLAH, BLATHER....

I like them both. What to do?

EDIT:

Told to edit but it's a moot point anyways, one of the players has already been picked.....guess that makes my decision easier, eh?


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11-10-2013, 11:41 PM
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Hal Laycoe was tall (6'2 or 6'3 depending on the source) with positionally-smart stay-at-home play ... a tall, steady eddie
Plus he was in the elite club of glasses-wearing players

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11-10-2013, 11:45 PM
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Plus he was in the elite club of glasses-wearing players
And yet he was known to dish out hits and absorb them as well.

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11-10-2013, 11:54 PM
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BTW....thanks VI for the heads up....I was ignorant on the rule of discussing undrafted players.

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11-11-2013, 01:48 AM
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Hal Laycoe was tall (6'2 or 6'3 depending on the source) with positionally-smart stay-at-home play ... a tall, steady eddie
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Just two things that may be worthy of adding to what you listed as notes already, Stew Evans picked up 5 all-star votes in 1938 and Al Dewsbury made the 1951 all-star game on merit (they dropped the SC winner format for 51 and 52)
Yeah, I gotta draw the line of noteworthiness somewhere... I mean if I was going to list Laycoe's height as noteworthy, then I'd have to list Cooper too. And while I'm at it, Cooper's bodychecking. Ultimately, only one of those defenseman was universally lauded for his hitting. And I think most of the guys at the top of that list (or all?) lasted as long as they did because of their steady/positional/defensive/physical play, or a combination of those factors. I was more trying to list reasons why you may not want to write off a player for having a poor showing on the chart, and Laycoe did very well without any "bonus points". Much better than I thought, actually.

I had to make a few decisions on a few guys' all-star and norris votes and the lowest I counted was 9. I considered Kent Douglas' 12 AST points to be enough, Bowman's 9 enough, Bolton's 9 points in 5th place enough, but Evans' 5 and Fontinato's 5 not enough. Arbitrary cutoff? It's certainly worthy of such criticism if you choose to issue it.

You're right about Dewsbury though.

one thing I probably should have added is that Bolton's poor showing is mostly because of injuries and not because he was not good enough.

Anyway, if you assume that NHL roster spots were granted on merit, there's a good case that the top 5 through Laycoe have a serious case at MLD 2nd pairings, the next 6 or so at MLD 3rd pairings/spare spots, and the rest sprinkled in after that, with exceptions made for exceptional cases as noted.

It would be nice if there was a sort of way to make a standardized composite metric out of those two figures. As in, how do you say what is more impressive: 9.96/-0.04, or 8.64/0.4?

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11-11-2013, 04:24 AM
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The Belleville McFarlands will select a tenacious winger who played a north-south game, was physical and elevated his game in clutch situations.

We select RW - Howie Meeker.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=677

^ Check that great bio by seventieslord for Meeker.

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11-11-2013, 10:00 AM
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11-11-2013, 10:02 AM
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Bob Turner, D.

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The Knights use their Day 18 pick to select the first member of their 4th line in LW/C Don Grosso.



This move gives us a verstaile player for our 4th line and also qualifies us for the playoffs.

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11-11-2013, 10:03 AM
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The Boston Cubs select C Jussi Jokinen to round out the 3rd line.

A royal pain in the ass with decent offensive skills. Known to dive, (a reprehensible trait IMO, but alas, part of the game now), he draws a significant amount of penalties, plays on the 2nd PP unit, (currently 3rd in PP goals this season), scores some timely goals, scored 30 with Carolina one season and was their #1 PK forward during his tenure with them.

His adjusted numbers are 48% higher than his actual numbers....all the while averaging 14:52 TOI for his career.

Twice a SM-Liiga champion, once a runner up, an Olympic silver medalist and has bronze as a U18, U20 (led the tourney in goals and assists) and adult Worlds player.

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11-11-2013, 10:09 AM
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Blackwood Bullies Select:
Paul Gardner Center

447 Games
201 Goals
201 Assists
402 Points
105 PPG
17.9 S%
Top 10 5 Times In PPG ( lead the league in 1981-82 & 1982-83)
32nd All Time in Career S% and top 10 Twice
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11-11-2013, 10:42 AM
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Bob Turner, D.
Oh my....didn't know anything about him really. Excellent pick at this stage of the game apparently.

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11-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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The Belleville McFarlands will round out their third line with a speedy defensive specialist who also played a big role in multiple championships for the Montreal Canadiens. Playing a clean and efficient game, this player still was able to keep an element of grit to his game to go along with his smarts and speed that made him so effective.

We select Armand Mondou (LW)

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1&postcount=44

^ - Hedberg did an excellent Bio on him.

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11-11-2013, 12:03 PM
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To add some skill onto our bench, the Human Beings select Sergei Samsonov LW

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11-11-2013, 12:54 PM
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Jack Adams voting - 2nd(1988), 3rd(1989), 3rd(1996), 8th(1993), 10th(1995)

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11-11-2013, 04:49 PM
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To complete their tandem, Warroad selects G Richard Brodeur


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11-11-2013, 10:36 PM
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The Belleville McFarlands will select a tenacious winger who played a north-south game, was physical and elevated his game in clutch situations.

We select RW - Howie Meeker.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=677

^ Check that great bio by seventieslord for Meeker.
Solid pick.

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The Knights use their Day 18 pick to select the first member of their 4th line in LW/C Don Grosso.



This move gives us a verstaile player for our 4th line and also qualifies us for the playoffs.
I've grown a bit tired of Grosso as an MLD player, but I was just thinking about what an excellent pick he would be this far down.

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Paul Gardner Center

447 Games
201 Goals
201 Assists
402 Points
105 PPG
17.9 S%
Top 10 5 Times In PPG ( lead the league in 1981-82 & 1982-83)
32nd All Time in Career S% and top 10 Twice
2X AHL MVP
The best PP specialist ever. (that's why his shooting percentages were so high... if more of your shots are taken on the PP you're more likely to have a higher shooting percentage)

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Oh my....didn't know anything about him really. Excellent pick at this stage of the game apparently.
I agree. Here's that pre-expansion defensemen chart with Turner included.

Total Qual Playoffs Notable?
Warren Godfrey 10.50 -0.21 52
Alex Smith 9.96 -0.06 34*
Reg Hamilton 8.64 0.40 66*
Joe Cooper 8.41 -0.08 38*
Hal Laycoe 7.98 -0.16 40
Bill Brydge 7.96 -0.47 4*
Stewart Evans 7.73 0.04 35*
Alex Levinsky 7.66 0.03 42
Lou Fontinato 7.64 -0.08 21 Heavyweight fighter
Al Langlois 7.10 0.14 53
Bob Turner 6.83 0.76 68 5 Stanley Cups, could play as PK forward too
Ted Graham 6.71 -0.12 34*
Bill Juzda 6.52 0.06 42 Epic bodychecker
Murray Henderson 6.48 -0.03 41
Al MacNeil 6.43 0.39 37
Lee Fogolin Sr. 6.20 -0.34 28
Ralph Bowman 5.71 -0.22 26* Semi-significant Norris votes
Frank Eddolls 5.05 0.06 31 made one ASG on merit
Larry Hillman 5.01 0.28 63 Decorated AHL player, notoriously deep leaf lineup, played 6 seasons after expansion
Al Dewsbury 5.01 -0.77 14
Joe Jerwa 4.94 -0.17 20 Twice 2nd in defense points
Kent Douglas 4.04 0.29 19 Semi-significant Norris votes, some AHL awards, deep leaf lineup, 2 seasons post-expansion
Hugh Bolton 3.36 0.03 17 Semi-significant Norris votes

In terms of career length he's only in the middle of this pack, but look at that team success! Hamilton was previously the top guy with a 0.40 rating, and Turner's 0.76 blows that away. Most playoff experience, too.

This ATD staple definitely deserved to fall, but not this far! Last year's MLD selection (947th) was pretty fair, but even then I wondered why a guy who contributed to this much success wouldn't go higher. ATD spare actually sounds like a pretty fair spot for him, given his PK forward ability, but if not, he's a super solid MLD defenseman with added versatility. But the MLD's loss is my gain, as he'll be my #7 D/W swingman.

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To complete their tandem, Warroad selects G Richard Brodeur

Son of a......

This guy was #1 on my backup list, and would have been mine Wednesday.

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11-12-2013, 12:22 AM
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Rome selects D Rick Smith

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11-12-2013, 01:27 AM
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Rick Smith is really solid at this stage of the draft. I wouldn't have hesitated to make him my #1 aa defenseman.

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Rick Smith is really solid at this stage of the draft. I wouldn't have hesitated to make him my #1 aa defenseman.
Agreed. He makes a great bottom pairing defender in this draft. Could even sell me on him being a second pairing defender in this one.

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11-12-2013, 08:34 AM
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Rebels select Greg Malone, the center who averaged 50+ points per season over the first nine years of his NHL career while playing a well-respected checking game.



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...he enjoys body contact and loves to hit... he's a competent two-way player with good defensive ability... "
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"... an excellent two-way player who toils with constant ambition... strong forechecker, good playmaker and solid defensively... Pens have turned down several offers on him."


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"... a nice reliable player... you don't realize how much he helps until he's not around... strong forechecker."
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"... every GM in the league covets this hard-nosed centreman... supposed to be a defensive specialist but still managed to lead the Pens in scoring... took advantage of size and strength to score from slot and ended up on the PP... a solid, aggressive, two-way player ... only weakness is as a faceoff man."


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"... voted Hartford's unsung hero... good playmaker and checker."


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11-12-2013, 09:55 AM
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I selected both Malones a few years ago!

A good question is which one deserves earlier selection. I think Greg is definitely better, but then, center is a much deeper position so it's pretty much a toss-up.

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11-12-2013, 09:59 AM
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Blackwood Bullies Select:
Craig Muni Defenseman

819 Games
28 Goals
119 Assists
147 Points
+154 for Career
3X Stanley Cup Winner
Top 10 +/- 3 Times

Very solid and steady stay at home Defenseman.

( Sorry, I was a minute early)

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