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11-11-2013, 07:22 AM
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Well I both agree and not with " games that count" . All these games count, beating lower teams has been an issue over the year so winning and getting the points is important.
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Too be classified as a team with true game beating the above is super important, as well as the points not added to rivals tallies.

It's funny the avs tanked with low moral, injuries to key players and just an awful year last season. It was hideous as a fan, yet far better than no season, IMO. But when you look at the team now, and add Tangs back in a week, this team isn't the stinker folks expect. Team d shows up and they pretty much can complete. I'm not too worried about the top teams, will win some and lose some to the tops. I would be surprised if avs win out against blues sharks hawks and wild, or lose out. The should be for the aggregate above 500, let's see.
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11-11-2013, 07:25 AM
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So what changes bumped up the Avs from 29th to 2nd place?

MacKinnon, Roy??

Is that it? Coaching helps that much or are the Avs overachieving?

Same players as last year too...

Oilers should take notes.
Nah, they cut a lot of dead weight this summer. They had a lot of defensemen and forwards that hadn't been pulling their weight for a while, and they cleaned them out. Streaky players like Jones, lazy players that took bad penalties like O'Brien, they didn't resign Hejduk (as much as we love him) who probably should have retired a few seasons ago. The only defense regulars from last season are Hejda and Johnson.

They kept their core, and got rid of the expendable players and replaced them with players that aren't big names, but are the right players for the team. They added some veterans and leadership, which is something they'd been really lacking since they were among the youngest teams in the leagues for a few years. Quite a few of the players they got rid of aren't even in the NHL this year.

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11-11-2013, 07:31 AM
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I get where you are coming from but we had 3 straight seasons of 95 points.
95 points is a bubble team in the west. Since the lockout, 95 points is just barely enough to slip into the 8th spot, but in several seasons, teams with 95 points have missed the playoffs.

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11-11-2013, 08:23 AM
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Generous schedule with only 10 b2b for the year but heck of a start. Enjoy the ride.

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11-11-2013, 08:28 AM
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Suarez doesn't have the self control for gamesmanship. He just tries to cheat and loses his **** a lot. Hell of a player but I hate his guts.
Suarez just does what he has to to win, everyone raged at him at the WC for that handball against Ghana but I absolutely loved it.

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11-11-2013, 08:32 AM
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Not as much as it seems. Even after saving cap by swapping Downie for Talbot, Avs still have a bunch of players to resign who are up for deserved raises, which includes but isn't limited to Varlamov and McGinn. Then they also have the Stastny and O'Reilly contracts up. And then Duchene and Landeskog who are already signed will get big bumps both next year
We should still have like 8 mil in cap space at least after those signings. That's why I'm so for a Wilson++ for soupy trade, fits salary wise, addresses our biggest need, and sets the team up not to need any major moves for a few years.

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11-11-2013, 08:32 AM
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I for one am just happy to get to watch them play hard every game, win or lose. Getting these early points and ROWs can't hurt us for when we're making that playoff push.

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11-11-2013, 08:33 AM
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You mean we're not going 71-11?
Don't listen to them. Avs are obviously winning at least 70 games this year.

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We won't know where the team is at until the end of the month, once we've finally played a number of games in our division and conference. Blues, Hawks, Wild x2, Kings, Coyotes.

If we're still doing well after that I'll start to be a little optimistic, but otherwise, a lot of our success has come against the east, or teams that aren't necessarily contenders.

Avs still need 3 new dmen before I'm comfortable with where the squad is at, including a first pairing PP guy.

In the west alone thus far, Anaheim, SJ, St Louis, Chicago, Phoenix, Minnesota, Vancouver have all looked very good. It's still way too early for any conclusions about anything.

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11-11-2013, 08:50 AM
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Generous schedule with only 10 b2b for the year but heck of a start. Enjoy the ride.
We play something like 24 games in 44 nights to end the season, so the schedule won't be so forgiving during our playoff push.

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11-11-2013, 09:27 AM
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We won't know where the team is at until the end of the month, once we've finally played a number of games in our division and conference. Blues, Hawks, Wild x2, Kings, Coyotes.

If we're still doing well after that I'll start to be a little optimistic, but otherwise, a lot of our success has come against the east, or teams that aren't necessarily contenders.

Avs still need 3 new dmen before I'm comfortable with where the squad is at, including a first pairing PP guy.

In the west alone thus far, Anaheim, SJ, St Louis, Chicago, Phoenix, Minnesota, Vancouver have all looked very good. It's still way too early for any conclusions about anything.
Yeah, I'm kind of nervous right now, I'm afraid I'm getting too excited about our team. I might me disappointed at some point. I think we'll battle with Minnesota for a playoff spot, but we're nowhere near elite. Just hoping we can keep banking those points so that even if we struggle at the end of the year, we'll be able to be a playoff team. Our young guys need that experience to keep moving forward.

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11-11-2013, 10:26 AM
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Generous schedule with only 10 b2b for the year but heck of a start. Enjoy the ride.
Not a lot of back to back games but they will be top 5 in miles travelled this year, I believe.

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11-12-2013, 09:48 AM
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Nah, they cut a lot of dead weight this summer. They had a lot of defensemen and forwards that hadn't been pulling their weight for a while, and they cleaned them out. Streaky players like Jones, lazy players that took bad penalties like O'Brien, they didn't resign Hejduk (as much as we love him) who probably should have retired a few seasons ago. The only defense regulars from last season are Hejda and Johnson.

They kept their core, and got rid of the expendable players and replaced them with players that aren't big names, but are the right players for the team. They added some veterans and leadership, which is something they'd been really lacking since they were among the youngest teams in the leagues for a few years. Quite a few of the players they got rid of aren't even in the NHL this year.
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in addition to cutting dead weight Oreilly missed games due to contractual differences, Landy was injured, thats two important parts of the offense right there. Put it all together and last year was a group of dis heartened players playing for a coach that just got behind and could never seem to catch up, in a word lack of leadership... sounds like we have much much more leadership now.

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11-12-2013, 01:31 PM
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It's like they're the Red Sox of the NHL.

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11-12-2013, 02:18 PM
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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.

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They won't keep this up (I hope ), but they've certainly made getting to the playoffs easier for themselves

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11-12-2013, 02:23 PM
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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
What do you want to put on it?

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11-12-2013, 02:27 PM
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It's pretty close to the record the Senators started with several years ago (I think it was 06-07? Not sure), but unlike the Sens, no one expected Colorado to have this kind of start.

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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
I'm not as big of a fan of that team as most Rangers fans, but the advanced stats all were saying 11-12 that the Rangers will "crash hard" and it never happened. That team though did overachieve but so could these Avs.

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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
The Minnesota Wild also had 395 man games lost to injury that year. Any team that loses that many players to injury will suffer.

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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
Now play with the 5 vs 5, score tied and score close buttons on the magic fancystats sites.

Getting outshot in third periods when you are up two-three goals really isn't the end of the world. You still win and the only thing taking a dent is your shot stats. Dominating opponents in the first periods when the game is on line is much more important.

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11-12-2013, 03:08 PM
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Can't compare that Wild team with this year's Avs.

Wild had that great start thanks mainly to their goaltending and the trap defense system. They had no offensive depth as they still don't. That is much easier to get away from, once your goalie starts to struggle and that defensive trap stop working and you don't have offensive depth to pull you out of the struggles.

Avs winning many more ways. They have alot of offensive depth that if one line isn't scoring there is 2 other lines that do.

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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
More than shot differential, isn't goal differential a big indicator, as well? We're +1.63 goals/game right now and we also boast the 3rd best PK in the league. I think those are more important than shot differential (-1.6 shots/game) which is a fairly small difference.

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To start 2011-2012, the Minnesota Wild went 21-8-4. It was a surprise to people because they finished 21st in the league with a -27 goal differential the year before, but hey, they were #1 in the league in early December.

Fans and media personalities talked about willpower to win, how good teams find ways to win, how hard and smart the players were working, how the new system was being adopted.

At that point in time, despite a 21-8-4 record, they were 29th in the NHL in shot differential. They were regularly getting destroyed in puck possession, scoring chances, shots on goal, shot attempts... Pretty much any metric of measuring success other than wins/losses.

What happened? The bottom fell out from under them. Their goaltending stopped playing beyond Vezina-winners performance levels, they stopped scoring "timely" goals, and ultimately their goal differential started to mirror their shot differential. From December 9th on, the Wild went 19-27-4 and missed the playoffs by 11 points.

As of right now, Colorado is 26th in shot attempt ratio and 23rd in shots for/against.

They're significantly better than the '11-'12 Wild were but they're still going to crash hard.
Thanks for telling us exactly what will happen to the Avs. With Godly hockey knowledge you've just portrayed I will go ahead and plan on trying to out tank Edm, Buff, or Fla.

Gosh how could we be so dumb to be proud of a team with a 14-2 record. It's clear they only get help from the the officials. And get away with everything.



In all honesty we know they're not going to sustain this level of play. But you could try a little harder to hide your jealousy and frustration with the fact they are doing well. Everyday some know it all, like yourself comes around and posts that they'll fall off the face of the earth, their D is terrible, etc.

People seriously think we don't know their D needs help? They don't think that we know this play is un-sustainable? Get real. No Avs poster is saying we'll go 80-10 or anything like that. Most are expecting to squeak into the playoffs.

Not that your point isn't relevant, I mean it's not, but this group is not that Wild team. You can't make a prediction based on what that team did, and what this team will do. Guessing only gets you so far.

So once again, i'd like to thank a all knowing hockey genius here, with Eklund in his username, for coming around and telling us exactly what will happen to the Avs as the rest of the season is played out.

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Can't compare that Wild team with this year's Avs.

Wild had that great start thanks mainly to their goaltending and the trap defense system. They had no offensive depth as they still don't. That is much easier to get away from, once your goalie starts to struggle and that defensive trap stop working and you don't have offensive depth to pull you out of the struggles.

Avs winning many more ways. They have alot of offensive depth that if one line isn't scoring there is 2 other lines that do.

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