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03-22-2006, 05:45 PM
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Where is Joonas Nättinen? Jere Laaksonen ?Tommi Kivistö? Erik Haula? Anssi Männikkö? And Joni Karjalainen?
Don't worry that was only a temporary list.

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03-23-2006, 06:52 AM
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This list is based for my personal scouting, statistics and what i've seen, heard, read and wrote! It's allmost impossible to see all of these players playing regularly or maybe never!?

like Jesse, who plays in Sweden!

So,

I haven't seen how good Jesse Turkulainen really is, but i have heard great things about him and i'm pretty sure that he will be great player for Finland!

I think it's not very common, that defenseman is U16 national team scoring leader and he is also going to make he's debut in finnish U-17 team as an one year younger than he should???
I can understand your logic with the numbers, but I just can't see why make lists purely on what you read from the stat sheet. Or game reports, prolly as biased as they come. (Figuring you read them from the organisations pages).

Just wondering.

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Now, I want to ask you something!

When you rank some players, have you allways seen them playing?

EDIT.

I'm just curious!
Yes, I have

Hence the reason I very rarely make rankings on youth players.

I just can't see the justification for people to make rankings on players (especially such young ones), if they haven't seen them play in person. The big picture often gets skewed, if you just look at reports and stats. Especially for comparisons to older players. Player X might compare to a good player, but how close is he to him?

Oh well, just my 2 cents (€uro ) for this topic, which in its purpose is good, though

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03-23-2006, 09:28 AM
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I can understand your logic with the numbers, but I just can't see why make lists purely on what you read from the stat sheet. Or game reports, prolly as biased as they come.
I'm glad that you understand my logic with the numbers, but if you don't like it? then don't!

I have seen many writers here, and they are doing that too! i think? so why i'm your target?

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I just can't see the justification for people to make rankings on players (especially such young ones), if they haven't seen them play in person. The big picture often gets skewed, if you just look at reports and stats. Especially for comparisons to older players. Player X might compare to a good player, but how close is he to him?
Like i said before, it's allmost impossible to see all of these players playing regularly! I live in Helsinki, so i don't have that time and interest to travel somewhere like Oulu, (witch is hundreds kilometers away from Helsinki) and only see how good and talented this Player X really is?

When i know that some interesting player is going to play in Helsinki this weekend, then i usually go watch him!

I can honestly say that this list is allmost 80% trueth! but there is allways some players who's never going to be such as good that i've ranked them, but what can i do? I'm just the guy who give's these names for finnish people!

EDIT.

You are absolutely right with that ranking thing! I shouldn't not rank players that i haven't seen yet, but still i'm going to make these list's for people and my self, like who might be good and great player in the future and i'm pretty sure that allmost everyone who's on my list is going to be good or great player on their age group's in Finland!
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03-23-2006, 04:01 PM
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I am not targetting you by any means

Just wanted to know your basis for these rankings. I don't go around these boards raging on if everyone who is making lists has seen them. That doesn't mean I approve of it.

But nowhere did I want to "attack" your basis. Your input is highly appreciated At least on my part

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03-23-2006, 04:20 PM
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I am not targetting you by any means

Just wanted to know your basis for these rankings. I don't go around these boards raging on if everyone who is making lists has seen them. That doesn't mean I approve of it.
Ok,

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But nowhere did I want to "attack" your basis. Your input is highly appreciated At least on my part

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03-24-2006, 05:49 AM
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I agree, hifk88 is doing a good job.

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Hifk88, Janne Kumpulainen doesent play in Blues, EDIT.

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Hifk88, Janne Kumpulainen doesent play in Blues, EDIT.
Oh, sorry that was my bad.

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Oh, sorry that was my bad.

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05-18-2006, 02:27 AM
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hifk88, you might want to update your database with these transfers:

Sami Sandell (WHL) ---> Ilves

Jonas Enlund (HIFK)---> Tappara

Teemu Ramstedt (HIFK)---> TPS

Harri Säteri (HPK) ----> Tappara


HIFK certainly losing big time with these transfers....

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the latest list, without any rankings!

1987 (like we all know, this is very good year for us)
Goalkeepers:
Tuukka Rask (Ilves)
Juha Toivonen (HPK)

Defensemens:
Teemu Laakso (HIFK)
Juho Mielonen (Ilves)
Tommi Leinonen (Kärpät)
Timo Seppänen (HIFK)

Forwards:
Perttu Lindgren (Ilves)
Jesse Joensuu (Ässät)
Sami Sandell (Ilves)
Mikko Lehtonen (Blues)
Jonas Enlund (Tappara)
Miika Lahti (JYP)
Leo Komarov (Pelicans)
Tommi Huhtala (Ilves)
Ville Korhonen (Ilves)
Teemu Ramstedt (TPS)

1988 (not such as good than 87's, but still pretty good)
Goalkeepers:
Niko Hovinen (Jokerit)
Riku Helenius (Ilves)
Atte Engren (Lukko)
Mikko Tolvanen (HPK)

Defensemens:
Eetu Heikkinen (Ässät)
Joonas Lehtivuori (Ilves)

Forwards:
Robert Nyholm (HIFK)
Joonas Kemppainen (Ässät)
Jan-Mikael Juutilainen (Jokerit)
Max Wärn (HIFK)
Juuso Puustinen (KalPa)
Juhani Jasu (Lukko)
Jani Savolainen (KalPa)
Juuso Antonen (Ilves)
Jan-Mikael Järvinen (Ilves)

1989 (the weakest since the 85's)
Goalkeepers:
Harri Säteri (Tappara)
Tomi Karhunen (Kärpät)

Defensemens:
Jesse Jyrkkiö (Ässät)
Joni Liljeblad (Kärpät)

Forwards:
Niclas Lucenius (Tappara)
Sami Lähteenmäki (HPK)
Antti Roppo (Ilves)

1990 (something between 86's and the 87's)
Goalkeepers:
Joonas Kuusela (Blues)
Niklas Rantanen (HIFK)

Defensemens:
Jesse Turkulainen (Huddinge)
Teemu Eronen (Jokerit)
Tony Vidgren (TPS)

Forwards:
Pekka Jormakka (JYP)
Eero Elo (Lukko)
Martin Tuominen (TPS)
Samuli Valvisto (Lukko)
Mika Erkkilä (HPK)
Joonas Rask (Ilves)
Matias Myttynen (Ilves)
Niko Rajakallio (Ässät)

1991 (at this point, 91's look's even stronger than 83's)
Goalkeepers
Jere Ringbom (Lukko)
Jani Sihvonen (SaiPa)

Defensemens:

Sami Suorsa (Kärpät)
Nico Manelius (Jokerit)
Jere-Veikko Pulli (SaiPa)
Santeri Palsola (JYP)
Tommi Kivistö (Jokerit)

Forwards:
Toni Rajala (Ilves)
Erik Haula (Ässät)
Moses Mustonen (Blues)
Jesse Mankinen (SaiPa)
Janne Kumpulainen (JYP)
Joonas Nättinen (JYP)
Juho Iloviita (Sport)
Joni Karjalainen (HIFK)
Jere Laaksonen (Lukko)


and also coming....

1992 (might be even better than the 91's)
Goalkeeper:
Riku Härmä (Kärpät)

Forwards:
Mikael Granlund (Kärpät)
Teemu Pulkkinen (Jokerit)
Sakari Salmela (Tappara)
Benjamin Laurinkari (KalPa)
Riku Väkiparta (Lukko)

1993 (don't really have no clue yet)
Forward:
Markus Granlund (Laser HT)
is komarov a finish citizem, or should i say a finish junior national team member/eligible, or is he going to play for estonia (if they have a team)?

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10-04-2006, 01:34 PM
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is komarov a finish citizem, or should i say a finish junior national team member/eligible, or is he going to play for estonia (if they have a team)?
He played at last year's WJC already.

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12-10-2006, 05:39 AM
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What's the update on Toni Rajala for example? And what do you guys think is -91 going to be even better than -83 were?

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How about that Puustinen guy (88 born) who plays Major junior in Canada and was named to the preliminary WJC squad?

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12-10-2006, 11:14 AM
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Puustinen doing well

Puustinen has 17 goals and 21 assists in 31 games as an 18 year old in the WHL; second in team scoring.
I'm looking forward to seeing him perform in the WJC.

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12-11-2006, 09:04 AM
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I guess i should make a new thread to get answers

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What's the update on Toni Rajala for example?
I think he's doing very well. Toni is now 4th in points (12gp. 7+14=21) and he's now the scoring leader of 1991 borns in BSM. Toni was also his second time with the U-17 national team (1990) in Czech Rebublic last month and he made there two goals. He was also selected into the first U-16 team for the Nordic tournament.

http://www.finhockey.fi/taustasivut/...to/?num=268858

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And what do you guys think is -91 going to be even better than -83 were?
There are lots of talent in this age group (-91) right now (like. Rajala, Haula, Karjalainen, Laaksonen, Kumpulainen, Nättinen & Suorsa ect.) So, i'm pretty sure that -91 is going to be something special, but only time will tell us is -91 going to be better than -83.

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12-14-2006, 07:29 AM
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What about defenseman Tommi Taimi(Born 1990)?
He got chosen in U17 team for tournament in USA, he plays in Ässät.

He was 1st last year in defenseman's stats: 13 games, 5 goals and 7 assists and looking good this year too.

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How has Max Warn performed this season?

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How has Max Warn performed this season?
Injured for most, if not all, of the season.

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Those are some crazy names.
I love Finnish names. They're so cool. But anyway, back to the juniors discussion.

Questions: About what age does the average kid start playing hockey? And when do they start playing on a serious team?

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I love Finnish names. They're so cool. But anyway, back to the juniors discussion.

Questions: About what age does the average kid start playing hockey? And when do they start playing on a serious team?

Susanna
Well starting to play hockey, I think at age of 3-4 would be some avarage. Or at least skating and having stick with you while smashing around puck/ball. I personally learned how to skate&going around with small stick at age of 2, but I think 3-4 is more common age.

Serious team, if you mean like going to team which is having practises and games, it's about ~6y. Youngest teams are for 6-7y old ppl, but as I did, some others want to go to team before turning 6-7, so you can go before it as well.

From 6 to like 11y ppl are normally playing just in local leagues, meanwhile just going to some cups around Finland. Then after that it turns more nation wide. Then at age of 13+ it's more or less nationwide playing in highest levels. Of course more local in lower levels.

If there is something to correct ppl, feel free, I haven't played in juniors in ages so it's just about when I were young.

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Well starting to play hockey, I think at age of 3-4 would be some average. Or at least skating and having stick with you while smashing around puck/ball. I personally learned how to skate&going around with small stick at age of 2, but I think 3-4 is more common age.

Wow, are they able to balance on skates at such a young age?

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Wow, are they able to balance on skates at such a young age?
Sami Kapanen started to skate a month after he had learned to stand upright, and outskated 6-7 year olds by the time he was 3 ^^

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I learned to skate when i was 4 years old, but no way i would call that an avarage age to learn skating. I'd say it's somewhere in 6-8 years. I have nothing to back me up so it's pretty much wide open

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