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11-12-2013, 11:22 AM
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Now the game has changed!!

Briere back at center.

Many here didn't like what they saw at the beginning of the year.
But show me one winger who perform well with DD centering the line?
None.

And 1 pts in 17 games isn't hard to beat for a guy like Briere.
And we won't go 5 games without a single shots. (14 in 8 games).
Plus, Therrien will have a Right-Handed Centerman as an option for the FO.

Can DD will ever be able to take back his place at center?

Even if MB send him back to Hamilton.....and Even if he found his confidance back.....
Unless they're some injuries, it will be pretty tough to get back in the game, at least in MTL where fans will want immediate results.

As i said many times....this ain't going to end well!!

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Worse than the contract is his uselessness on the ice. These are the realistic options the habs have:

Desharnais in Hamilton saves 900K against the cap for the next three years.

Desharnais bought out saves over 2.33M against the cap for the next three years, while costing $1.16M cap space for three years after that.

Desharnais traded to another team for their underacheiving player.
Fixed.

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Hopefully we can win this game and make sure he stays in the press box for a while

Also I don't know about you guys but I've started following Coderre on Twitter

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He went the other direction this summer by losing weight in the belief that it would help him gain speed. I don't know who advised him but given how he ended the previous season and how easily he was getting pushed off the puck, I would be extremely surprised if his game plan was endorsed or coordinated with Habs' trainers and coaching staff.
His speed did improve... but unfortunately, not his game. I think losing weight actually made him less effective as a hockey player. He might be faster but damn, he just can't win a puck or board battle.

At this point, it's not about willing to be better anymore, it's more like if he's still NHL material.

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Now the game has changed!!

Briere back at center.

Many here didn't like what they saw at the beginning of the year.
But show me one winger who perform well with DD centering the line?
None.

And 1 pts in 17 games isn't hard to beat for a guy like Briere.
And we won't go 5 games without a single shots. (14 in 8 games).
Plus, Therrien will have a Right-Handed Centerman as an option for the FO.

Can DD will ever be able to take back his place at center?

Even if MB send him back to Hamilton.....and Even if he found his confidance back.....
Unless they're some injuries, it will be pretty tough to get back in the game, at least in MTL where fans will want immediate results.

As i said many times....this ain't going to end well!!
I didn't like the signing but let's give Briere a chance at C with some decent wingers -- I think he's much better than DD and so I'm hoping Les B notch a few tonight,

Go Habs go !!!

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11-12-2013, 11:46 AM
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Winning is the most important language but it is not the only language. The Habs are a Quebec icon and people want to see a French Canadian presence on the team. That's how it goes. Considering the Habs have ~200 million in revenue, a 5% difference in fan support means 10 million dollars a year. There's also the issue that the Habs are on top (financially) because they are a Quebec icon, Molson should not risk that. He is the caretaker of a cherished public symbol in Quebec, and he should respect and honour that.

Aside from that, I reject the dichotomy between having a francophone presence on the team and winning. Several recent Stanley Cup winners had French Canadian players on their teams: Kris Letang, Max Talbot, Patrice Bergeron, etc. There are decent French Canadian players out there, there was no need for Bergevin to bring in a sub-mediocrity like David Desharnais and treat him like he is le petit prince. Even among recent Habs players, Maxim Lapierre and Benoit Pouliot were both available last summer, and are both more useful players to have on your roster. Louis Leblanc would be a better player. BTW Michael Bournival is born in Shawinigan.
its pretty obvious the montreal canadiens put money before winning.

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I didn't like the signing but let's give Briere a chance at C with some decent wingers -- I think he's much better than DD and so I'm hoping Les B notch a few tonight,

Go Habs go !!!
I like the idea of Brière playing centre, which would not have been likely had DD not self-destructed. I too didn't like the signing as we have a lot of diminutive players, especially that we already had a similar enough player in DD already. I hope Brière has some gas left in the tank and runs with it -- it'll take a lot of attention off DD, which should work in his favor, even while he's in the press box.

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its pretty obvious the montreal canadiens put money before winning.
hey, what can be better than those entertaining torch passing ceremonies and pride + memories (for those that can still remember) of wins from last century? no win can beat that.

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11-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Winning is the most important language but it is not the only language. The Habs are a Quebec icon and people want to see a French Canadian presence on the team. That's how it goes. Considering the Habs have ~200 million in revenue, a 5% difference in fan support means 10 million dollars a year. There's also the issue that the Habs are on top (financially) because they are a Quebec icon, Molson should not risk that. He is the caretaker of a cherished public symbol in Quebec, and he should respect and honour that.

Aside from that, I reject the dichotomy between having a francophone presence on the team and winning. Several recent Stanley Cup winners had French Canadian players on their teams: Kris Letang, Max Talbot, Patrice Bergeron, etc. There are decent French Canadian players out there, there was no need for Bergevin to bring in a sub-mediocrity like David Desharnais and treat him like he is le petit prince. Even among recent Habs players, Maxim Lapierre and Benoit Pouliot were both available last summer, and are both more useful players to have on your roster. Louis Leblanc would be a better player. BTW Michael Bournival is born in Shawinigan.
It's incredibly easy to dismiss a dichotomy when it only exists as a false narrative. I've never seen one poster on this board or person in real life state that francophone players are inferior to anybody else. Posts like these just needlessly muddy the debate.

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omg not that french canadian thing again

can we just talk about how much desharnais sucks this year

also if anybody has a gif of him frustrated on the bench mumbling

it would be gold

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I think it sums up pretty well his season, the contract awarded, and Denis Coderre's mood last game


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omg not that french canadian thing again

can we just talk about how much desharnais sucks this year

also if anybody has a gif of him frustrated on the bench mumbling

it would be gold

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11-12-2013, 12:51 PM
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See my post to Habs. Not going to rewrite it. Resume: A bad move involving a french player = "bad move solely based on language". A bad move not involving a french player = "Bad hockey move". MAKES NO SENSE. DD wasn't having the season he's having when we signed him. And Bergevin thought Brière would help the PP and in the playoffs. We got Ryder for Cole and Ryder was great in regular season. Was still Ryder though...the same uni-dimensional player.....So we need something different...aside from Jagr...what was up there in UFA market.
Some fair points. We've seen dumb moves made by former GMs that were just dumb. Samsonov? See Briere... didn't understand that one either. So you could be right.

But I suspect that language has something to do with this.
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Answer this.....if the Habs management knew Bournival would fit right in in a top 6 or top 9 role...do you seriously think we'd go for Brière??? Doesn't Bournival FIT in the language issue?
Bournival or not... why Briere at all? Why not Jagr or Morrow?

You might be right, maybe it was just a dumb hockey move. We've seen it before. But I look at this and think that it was at least partly due to the French factor.

You could point to the Samsonov move though and I wouldn't really be able to have a good comeback for you other than it was a different GM.
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We can be skeptical of Bergevin....but it goes BEYOND the language.
You won't get disagreement from me. I suspect he's not going to be a good GM based on what I've seen so far. But I'd say that three of our worst players have been given breaks that Subban hasn't. And that gives me grave concern.

Maybe it's coincidence. DD did play well for us and I was okay giving him a contract (was just too long.) Bouillion is a vet that MT has a connection to so it partially explains things. But Briere sticks out like a sore thumb. And all these guys have been treated better than I think they should've. Then I look over at PK and his sub 3 mil contract and I wonder wtf our GM is doing...

If it was based on language then I hope MB learns from his mistakes. Like I said, I think french players = good in Montreal. I think it makes sense to have that on the roster and to go out of our way to have it. But it has to MAKE SENSE from a roster perspective. Otherwise it's tokenism and it's just going to cause problems.

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its pretty obvious the montreal canadiens put money before winning.
the day you'll have a business worth over half a billion you'll do the exact same.

And you need money to afford a championshop team anyway. Anyone know that.

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11-12-2013, 01:45 PM
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IF the Habs want to buyout Desharnais...it's not as big of an issue as many of you are making it seem.

If ownership signs off on Bergevin's mistake, it's a 1.6M hit for the next few years...not ideal, but certainly not damaging.
Damaging no... embarrassing yes.

A $14M embarrassment for Bergevin to go to Molson and ask for a buyout one year after signing the extension.

An embarrassment in the media for a local boy getting humiliated. (was much more fun when it was Gomez being dumped on)

Already we saw the media reaction when the mayor tweeted 'ship DD to Hamilton'. The DD situation is a delicate matter for Habs management... a ***** storm waiting to happen.

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Damaging no... embarrassing yes.

A $14M embarrassment for Bergevin to go to Molson and ask for a buyout one year after signing the extension.

An embarrassment in the media for a local boy getting humiliated. (was much more fun when it was Gomez being dumped on)

Already we saw the media reaction when the mayor tweeted 'ship DD to Hamilton'. The DD situation is a delicate matter for Habs management... a ***** storm waiting to happen.
Well the local boy angle will be heavily downplayed if Brière can come back and find a way to contribute and not to mention that Michael Bournival is quietly having an excellent season so far.

I don't think the DD situation is all that delicate to be honest...GM made an obvious mistake, everyone knows this. All GM's make mistakes, the bigger mistake would be to keep banging your head against the wall and do nothing about it.

IMO, DD's got the rest of this year to try and earn his way back into this lineup...past that and I think he's done with the Habs, embarrasing or not

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Hey I know, since you like counting so much... lets count how many times the Anglo community demonstrated/picketed when we have had a French coach over the years? That would be ZERO. How long did it take for the french community to get all riled up when we had Randy Cunneyworth as head coach? 1 Day. How does that math look so far? It IS an issue.

The truth is, most don't want to come here, and you know it. If they did, we would have 2 lines easily fulfilling the quota genpop wants. DD benefited from having the right name, at the right time. I don't blame him, he cashed in.

Why on earth would they jump at signing Briere? A player who rejected this team in his prime, but suddenly they sign him to a silly contract that not even a Vegas Casino would have given odds of a successful delivery on his end? Oh right, there's that french thing again... coming in handy when it matters.

I think this team needs a certain french element, it makes sense. It is part of the team's history and identity. But to sacrifice the good of the team to (what I feel) go out of the way to treat the french players differently? That's bush league, and I'm starting to notice it. Am I wrong? Maybe? I saw what I saw... DD was being coddled on the bench where I see P.K or Gallagher/Galchenyuk getting scolded for that same horrible play.

I'm glad they are keeping this thread open, because it's not many times a french-canadian can speak out towards this team, from another point of view.
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The DD situation is a delicate matter for Habs management... a ***** storm waiting to happen.
Maybe. In a weird silver lining way (for management), the fact that he's been so awful at least insulates them from criticism if bench or demote him. If he was just playing mediocre (as opposed to the 100% suckitude he's at), it would be tougher if they wanted to send him a message. That said, they are and should get plenty of flak over the decision to sign him for so long.

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He went the other direction this summer by losing weight in the belief that it would help him gain speed. I don't know who advised him but given how he ended the previous season and how easily he was getting pushed off the puck, I would be extremely surprised if his game plan was endorsed or coordinated with Habs' trainers and coaching staff.
What the? Haven't the trainers or coaching staff given him any good advise? He should have GAINED weight to get faster! Have you looked at speed skaters?




This is what his legs should look like...and this is from a photos of a pint sized (5'5, 126 lbs) Japanese female speed skater...forget about the monster legs on male speed skaters.
Boggles the mind why he would want to lose weight...

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Well the local boy angle will be heavily downplayed if Brière can come back and find a way to contribute and not to mention that Michael Bournival is quietly having an excellent season so far.

I don't think the DD situation is all that delicate to be honest...GM made an obvious mistake, everyone knows this. All GM's make mistakes, the bigger mistake would be to keep banging your head against the wall and do nothing about it.

IMO, DD's got the rest of this year to try and earn his way back into this lineup...past that and I think he's done with the Habs, embarrasing or not
Definitely a mistake. Briere is another one. Not locking up PK to a cheaper longer deal was as well. That's likely to add up to 10M in mistakes. It's starting to get costly.

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What the? Haven't the trainers or coaching staff given him any good advise? He should have GAINED weight to get faster! Have you looked at speed skaters?

This is what his legs should look like...and this is from a photos of a pint sized (5'5, 126 lbs) Japanese female speed skater...forget about the monster legs on male speed skaters.
Boggles the mind why he would want to lose weight...
I would be delighted if MB could trade DD for a pint-sized Japanese female speed skater.

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its pretty obvious the montreal canadiens put money before winning.
Except that the more the team wins the more money the Habs make, so even if they're a money before winning team, more wins=more cash meaning that winning team=money team.

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What the? Haven't the trainers or coaching staff given him any good advise? He should have GAINED weight to get faster! Have you looked at speed skaters?




This is what his legs should look like...and this is from a photos of a pint sized (5'5, 126 lbs) Japanese female speed skater...forget about the monster legs on male speed skaters.
Boggles the mind why he would want to lose weight...
It's not that simple. You can lose weight but gain muscle. It all depends on his body composition.

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What the? Haven't the trainers or coaching staff given him any good advise? He should have GAINED weight to get faster! Have you looked at speed skaters?

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This is what his legs should look like...and this is from a photos of a pint sized (5'5, 126 lbs) Japanese female speed skater...forget about the monster legs on male speed skaters.
Boggles the mind why he would want to lose weight...
Dude, it's still lunch time out here. Those pics are disturbing.

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Definitely a mistake. Briere is another one. Not locking up PK to a cheaper longer deal was as well. That's likely to add up to 10M in mistakes. It's starting to get costly.
Yes, no doubt DD was a mistake...Brière? Meh...still early, but they're likely not going to get the kind of return they should for the salary he'll be paid, though I still think he'll contribute positively for this team at some point.

PK, I don't think was a mistake - as long as they hold up their end of the bargain and open up the vault in the next few weeks.

But look around the NHL...most teams make these thypes of mistakes all the time. I know we tend to think that GM's should operate without making any salary mistakes, but this rarely happens. You can find 'mistakess on virtually every team in the NHL.

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