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11-13-2013, 06:17 PM
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The Curious Case of Eric Staal

Alright, so the hours I'm working now leave me with a lot of free time, and my criticism of Staal isn't exactly a secret. So in a fit of curiosity and boredom, I decided to look back at Staal's previous seasons and really breakdown the dual personas that Eric employs.

06-07:
First 41 games - 17 goals, 34 points
Last 41 games - 13 goals, 36 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 46 in 53 games (.86 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 24 in 29 games (.82 PPG)

07-08:
First 41 games - 20 goals, 36 points
Last 41 games - 18 goals, 46 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 49 points in 54 games (.90 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 33 points in 28 games (1.17 PPG)

08-09:
First 41 games - 18 goals, 29 points
Last 41 games - 22 goals, 46 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 36 points in 51 games (.70 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 39 points in 31 games (1.14 PPG)

09-10:
First 35 games - 10 goals, 32 points
Last 35 games - 19 goals, 38 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 43 points in 42 games (1.02 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 27 points in 28 games (.96 PPG)

10-11:
First 41 games - 20 goals, 42 points
Last 40 games - 13 goals, 34 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 52 points in 50 games (1.04 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 24 points in 31 games (.77 PPG)

11-12:
First 41 games - 9 goals, 25 points
Last 41 games - 15 goals, 45 points
Points from Oct to Jan - 37 points in 52 games (.71 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 33 points in 30 games (1.10 PPG)

12-13:
First 24 games - 12 goals, 30 points
Last 24 games - 6 goals, 23 points
Points in Jan/Feb - 22 points in 19 games (1.15 PPG)
Points in March/April - 31 points in 29 games (1.06 PPG)

Total:
First half of a season - 106 goals, 228 points in 264 games (.86 PPG)
Second half of a season - 106 goals, 268 points in 263 games (1.01 PPG)
Points from Oct to Jan - 263 points in 302 games (.87 PPG)
Points from Feb to April - 180 points in 177 games (1.01 PPG)

So it's pretty much what's expected. Staal produces in the first half of the season, but doesn't really turn into "Beast Staal" until around Feb. His reputation for a slow start seems to stem around just two seasons though. However, this season appears to also be another 11-12 type season for him.

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11-14-2013, 08:27 AM
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Staal's production would be on par with the best forwards in the league if he only had a decent wing on his line. He can't do it all himself.

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11-14-2013, 08:35 AM
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Maurice is holding Staal back.

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11-14-2013, 08:39 AM
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C'mon guys, he's injured. Then last year, he had to worry about his brother's eye and getting used to a visor. And the year before that, he was struggling in dealing with giving his brother a concussion, then before that, he had LaRose as a winger, and before that he was a new dad...but most of all, he needs Erik Cole!

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11-14-2013, 08:43 AM
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Why did you only do points in the months breakdown? Since the goals are dead even in the first vs. second half, I'm wondering how his GPG change from Feb onward.

40 more points in the second half, every one of them an assist, tells me it's other players that are scoring more that's affecting his change. While that's simplistic, and Eric might be creating more and passing better, it sheds a different light on the narrative.

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11-14-2013, 10:02 AM
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I'd like to give some elaborate reasoning as to why I didn't do goals in the month breakdown, but I can't.

Laziness is the reason. If you'd like, and if I've got some more free time, I could go and do goals in the month breakdown.

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11-14-2013, 10:18 AM
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He's on pace for even less production this first half and frankly, doesn't look that good out there no matter what Tripp says.

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He's on pace for even less production this first half and frankly, doesn't look that good out there no matter what Tripp says.
Maybe that means he's due for an even more dominant second half?

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11-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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To add: he's not practicing today. Went down awkwardly at the end Tuesday but finished the game on the ice. Muller said he was fine postgame but things could have acted up. I'm sure all that he'll say post practice is "maintenance" so we'll see for Friday.

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To add: he's not practicing today. Went down awkwardly at the end Tuesday but finished the game on the ice. Muller said he was fine postgame but things could have acted up. I'm sure all that he'll say post practice is "maintenance" so we'll see for Friday.
Yeah, "maintenance." Is there anything that means less? Even "lower body" tells us something.

Jeff Skinner has been out for a month for "necessary maintenance." On his broken wrist. It works no matter what you put it with.

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C'mon guys, he's injured. Then last year, he had to worry about his brother's eye and getting used to a visor. And the year before that, he was struggling in dealing with giving his brother a concussion, then before that, he had LaRose as a winger, and before that he was a new dad...but most of all, he needs Erik Cole!
I'm not sure why it's so much of a stretch to say he's injured right now. He had a pretty major injury just 6 months ago. We all know the guy plays injured, for better or for worse. Not that I'm saying the rest of your post isn't valid, just this year there may be a legitimate excuse for his "laziness".

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I blame his kids. I picture his wife making him carry more child raising duties during the summer since he is "not working." Staal shows up to camp perpetually tired and unprepared. Gets better as the season progresses as road trips helps him escape.


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I blame his kids. I picture his wife making him carry more child raising duties during the summer since he is "not working." Staal shows up to camp perpetually tired and unprepared. Gets better as the season progresses as road trips helps him escape.
Give him a break. The man has been dealing with purple crying for, what, three years now?

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I'm not sure why it's so much of a stretch to say he's injured right now. He had a pretty major injury just 6 months ago. We all know the guy plays injured, for better or for worse. Not that I'm saying the rest of your post isn't valid, just this year there may be a legitimate excuse for his "laziness".
I don't doubt he's injured (Sens1Canes2 alluded to that and I believe him). Injuries can be a reason for lack of production, slower skating and not being stronger on the puck for sure. What it can't be an excuse for is skating/working hard in the offensive zone only to loaf back and be lazy in the defensive zone. Nor can it be a valid excuse (IMO) for lazy penalties.

I also think that he and Semin just aren't in synch which I'm not sure I would attribute to injury.

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11-14-2013, 03:07 PM
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What it can't be an excuse for is skating/working hard in the offensive zone only to loaf back and be lazy in the defensive zone. Nor can it be a valid excuse (IMO) for lazy penalties.
Oh lord, now *logic* is being injected into the subject. What next...reason?

God help us all.

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I don't doubt he's injured (Sens1Canes2 alluded to that and I believe him). Injuries can be a reason for lack of production, slower skating and not being stronger on the puck for sure. What it can't be an excuse for is skating/working hard in the offensive zone only to loaf back and be lazy in the defensive zone. Nor can it be a valid excuse (IMO) for lazy penalties.

I also think that he and Semin just aren't in synch which I'm not sure I would attribute to injury.
I guess I can agree with this. I just hate it when people say it's solely Staal's laziness that is causing this slow start. It's not that simple.

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I'd like to see them take away his captaincy for a bit. Just to see what happens, if anything at all.

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It's time to trade Staal. He gets most of his points in the second half when the team is already out of it and teams start dressing their back-up goalies and playing down to us. If one were to calculate his scoring pace in games that matter he's probably a 55-60 point guy. They had the right idea when they got rid of his floating buddy Cole, now it's time to finish the job.

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I'd like one of you number crunchers do a breakdown of jealous Staal's production when Skinner is hot and getting attention.

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Oh lord, now *logic* is being injected into the subject. What next...reason?

God help us all.
There will be no reason permitted in this thread. Infractions will follow if necessary.

Logic is fine.

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The fact that Skinner is still tied for team lead in points, with Gerbe and Staal, who have both played 8 more games, is telling as to the problems with the team this season.

Gerbe making $.5m and Staal making $8m.....wow!

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The more money Staal makes, the less productive he is. Actually, I think there are studies that show this to generally be the case with workers.

He doesn't need a winger, he needs a cut in salary.

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The fact that Skinner is still tied for team lead in points, with Gerbe and Staal, who have both played 8 more games, is telling as to the problems with the team this season.

Gerbe making $.5m and Staal making $8m.....wow!
Don't worry, Gerbe will soon be making $4M/yr with a NMC

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Don't worry, Gerbe will soon be making $4M/yr with a NMC

I'm trying not to think about that yet. Jokinen, kapinen, Ruutu part xi.

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Staal makes me sad. 9 points and he's just invisible out there. It speaks to expectation of the Canes that nobody around the league is talking about it while a few years ago they were taking note of his poor plus/minus.

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