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With Emelin in, who's out?

View Poll Results: Which Scenario?
Play Bouillon, Sit Murray 4 6.78%
Play Murray, Sit Bouillon 14 23.73%
Rotate Bouillon and Murray (Play 1 Game, Sit 1 Game) 21 35.59%
Call Up Tinordi, Sit Bouillon and Murray 20 33.90%
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11-16-2013, 03:54 PM
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A critical and telling coaching decision is upcoming this weekend: who will MT sit in favour of Emelin?

IMHO it should be Bouillon. I feel that Emelin will be eating many of the same minutes as Bouillon does, the most notable being on the 2nd PP wave next to Diaz.

That being said, I believe MT will sit Murray, even if I believe Murray offers more to the team, in his sheltered role, than Bouillon does overall.
I certainly want Murray to be available against the goon teams like Leafs, Bruins, Flyers, and a few others.

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11-16-2013, 03:56 PM
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Murray scratched, Emelin w/ Boullion

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11-16-2013, 04:04 PM
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Murray scratched, Emelin w/ Boullion
What a joke our coach is. This franchise continually has ideas that a washed up 38 year old vet >>>> to have than developing a 1st round pick defenseman (Tinordi, Beaulieu). Golden boy Bouillon will be scratched perhaps if he brings down Emelin with him and Murray gets his shot but I doubt it. Any injuries and there's guaranteed no benchings for Frankie. Can a guy finish -25 on a playoff team and still manage 70-80 GP? Moron Therrien would probably scratch any of our dmen over Bou except Markov. Anyone else would ride the pine before Frankie if they played as poorly as Bouillon has.

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11-16-2013, 04:06 PM
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Alexei Emelin back in the lineup tonight - Douglas Murray will not play vs NY Rangers - Brendan Gallagher, game time decision (flu).

Like most of us figured. Someone has to take MT's Boubou away from him his infatuation with it is interfering with his work and hurting the team . . .

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11-16-2013, 04:08 PM
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What a joke our coach is. This franchise continually has ideas that a washed up 38 year old vet >>>> to have than developing a 1st round pick defenseman (Tinordi, Beaulieu). Golden boy Bouillon will be scratched perhaps if he brings down Emelin with him and Murray gets his shot but I doubt it. Any injuries and there's guaranteed no benchings for Frankie. Can a guy finish -25 on a playoff team and still manage 70-80 GP? Moron Therrien would probably scratch any of our dmen over Bou except Markov. Anyone else would ride the pine before Frankie if they played as poorly as Bouillon has.
Seriously, have you not seen how bad Murray is? In a perfect world neither him or Bouillon would be in the lineup, but at least Frankie Bou Bou doesn't take out his own goalie.

I know we need more toughness in the back end, but it's counter-productive if it comes from a guy who is a complete liability 90% of the time out there.

Emelin doesn't just take Murray out of the lineup, but he also takes away time from Bouillon...hopefully. In a perfect world, neither of them would be in our lineup.

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11-16-2013, 04:12 PM
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Seriously, have you not seen how bad Murray is? In a perfect world neither him or Bouillon would be in the lineup, but at least Frankie Bou Bou doesn't take out his own goalie.
Not as bad as Cube. At least if things get crazy, I'd rather see him out there against the big boys. (Do you really want to see Prust fight 6'4 220 pound guys every night?)

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I don't love Bouillon, but if people don't see that Murray has clearly been worse...come on.

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11-16-2013, 04:15 PM
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Not as bad as Cube. At least if things get crazy, I'd rather see him out there against the big boys. (Do you really want to see Prust fight 6'4 220 pound guys every night?)
There's an argument for playing Murray against a team like the Bruins (still as little as possible), who will be going for our goalie and have more size than speed.

The Rangers? The Rangers have gotten faster - and softer this year, this isn't the kind of game we should be expecting a brawl out of.

Really it's an automatic step up as long as one of them is out of the lineup, but against a team that we have traditionally matched up nice against like the Rags, I'd rather have the guy who can at least skate and handle the puck. It's not like Emelin makes our defense softer.

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I don't love Bouillon, but if people don't see that Murray has clearly been worse...come on.
I don't see that at all.

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There's an argument for playing Murray against a team like the Bruins (still as little as possible), who will be going for our goalie and have more size than speed.

The Rangers? The Rangers have gotten faster - and softer this year, this isn't the kind of game we should be expecting a brawl out of.

Really it's an automatic step up as long as one of them is out of the lineup, but against a team that we have traditionally matched up nice against like the Rags, I'd rather have the guy who can at least skate and handle the puck. It's not like Emelin makes our defense softer.
I agree. As I said previously, we should insert both Murray and Parros according to the team we are playing - goon team like Leafs, Booins, Flyers, Ottawa - we play the big boys. I don't care if we sit them ag. soft fast teams.

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Murray and Bouillon are both freaking bad. Who cares.

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Murray and Bouillon are both freaking bad. Who cares.
Pretty much this.

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I don't love Bouillon, but if people don't see that Murray has clearly been worse...come on.
Yep Murray had a couple of rough shidts recently.

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I don't love Bouillon, but if people don't see that Murray has clearly been worse...come on.
He has been pretty good on the PK. Hasn't been on for a PPGA despite averaging 2+ SHTOI/game in his 9 games. He also needs to play with Boullion. I'd want to at least see how he'd do on the left side of a Diaz.

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Bouillon almost cost us the game last night this cant be real. He also almost lead the league with -10...

stupid.


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11-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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While Murray is worse than Bouillon, I'm not sure scratching Murray over Bouillon is necessarily better. The thing is that Therrien KNOWS that Murray is bad and realizes that he must be used minimally. In consequence, Therrien is also forced to use PK Subban a lot more than usual. Therrien still see Bouillon as a valuable defenseman and so will be used in critical situations.

Would you rather have 10 minutes of Murray + 27-29 minutes of Subban or 18 minutes of Bouillon + 20-24 minutes of Subban?

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I feel like when Emelin gets up to speed, and gets moved up to the 2nd pairing, you'll see a Diaz-Murray third pairing. With this being Emelin's first game back from injury, it'd be best for him to be paired with someone a little more mobile than Murray

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Though i'm pretty sure that after christmas, Murray will have surpassed Bouillon.

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So Therrien decided to bench Murray. It's too bad, I'm curious how Murray could have done with a better D-partner. Diaz-Murray could be a decent third pairing.

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11-17-2013, 03:35 AM
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Can't wait for the day that Frankie isn't on the PP but our 3rd pairing D isn't what's killing us

We have the 3rd best GAA in the NHL and sit in a tie for 16th in the standings cause we can't score 5 on 5, unless we address issues upfront you could replace Cube with Shea Weber and we'll still be lucky to make the playoffs

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Seriously, have you not seen how bad Murray is? In a perfect world neither him or Bouillon would be in the lineup, but at least Frankie Bou Bou doesn't take out his own goalie.

I know we need more toughness in the back end, but it's counter-productive if it comes from a guy who is a complete liability 90% of the time out there.

Emelin doesn't just take Murray out of the lineup, but he also takes away time from Bouillon...hopefully. In a perfect world, neither of them would be in our lineup.
The way I see it is Bouillon and Murray are equally bad 5-on-5, but Murray is a good PKer and brings the intimidation our backend lacks. On top of that getting Bouillon off the PP is addition by substraction. I agree though both should be out of the lineup. I'd rather give an other shot to one of Tinordi/Beaulieu/Pateryn. It's not like this team is destined to great things this year anyway. Might as well develop a kid.

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11-21-2013, 04:29 PM
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Which Defensemen Scenario do you Prefer?

With the return of Emelin, one of Bouillon and Murray will consistently sit out games. Which of the following scenarios regarding our defensemen do you prefer?

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Tinordi's ready. He should be in the lineup. Worst case scenario he makes the same mistakes Bouillion would but he learns from it.

Beaulieu is clearly not ready yet.

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Tinordi's ready. He should be in the lineup. Worst case scenario he makes the same mistakes Bouillion would but he learns from it.

Beaulieu is clearly not ready yet.
wrong, it showed he wasnt.

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I would like a rotation depending on what kind of team we are facing. Physical teams should be handled by Murray while the faster puck moving teams should go to Bouillon.

We could eventually give another chance to Tinordi as well but there is no reason to rush him up yet.

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