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11-16-2013, 07:57 PM
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Can we have a mutually agreed ban on Oiler and Leafs trades for awhile? They are constantly horrible for one side or the other. I know we had this arrangement with Ottawa for a bit and it was nice. There are a couple of pieces on Toronto that could be useful to the Oilers, but really all the really nice pieces on Toronto match what the Oilers strengths are, when the Oilers clearly need to change the mix of our team and address our weaknesses.

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11-16-2013, 08:06 PM
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We'll trade you Leaf Rocket for Chalupa Batman.
Done, I'll drive LR to the airport

Kidding, love you LR

In regards to the proposal though... Gagner isn't really needed when centers are healthy. So this would have to be partnered with a trade with another team for it to happen. Also I'm not a fan of the value. Franson for Gagner is more what it would be like I think.

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11-16-2013, 08:06 PM
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Leafs do not want Gagner, much less for a package like that.

Omark has no value. He actually probably has negative value to the Leafs, since he would take up a contract spot.

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We'll trade you Leaf Rocket for Chalupa Batman.
Hell no. We are keeping Leaf Rocket.

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11-16-2013, 08:07 PM
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Terrible proposal, but thats stretching it. Gagner is the most valuable asset in that deal IMO. Imagine him centering Kessel & JVR instead of say Bozak.
Leafs see it not only imagine it. Hall - Eberle is the same as Kessel - JVR. We don't want another black hole in the middle. Ganer is just garbage for us. He holds no value at all. May be he can play on the 4th line with McClement.

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11-16-2013, 08:10 PM
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Aside from the value being skewed in the Oilers' favour, it wouldn't work unless the Leafs let go of Bolland and he has been far too good for that to happen. The Holland pickup solves the centre issues for the time being.

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11-16-2013, 08:12 PM
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I'm also not sure why Franson is the main piece EDM would want. I understand he's better defensively than Schultz, but they already have there offensive RH guy in Schultz. Plus Franson is a pretty big part of the Leafs D core.

Maybe something around Gagner & Kulemin+ would be better for both.
Leafs has just as many D prospects as Nashville. Franson can be replaced in no time with Rielly.

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11-16-2013, 08:12 PM
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We don't even want Gagner as the center piece of any deal, let alone give up those assets for it. When healthy, we don't need him at all.

Realistically, we're only interested in one of the big 4 (save Eberle). Nothing else really.

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11-16-2013, 08:15 PM
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Leafs see it not only imagine it. Hall - Eberle is the same as Kessel - JVR. We don't want another black hole in the middle. Ganer is just garbage for us. He holds no value at all. May be he can play on the 4th line with McClement.
What?

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11-16-2013, 08:25 PM
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What?
You read it. Bozak, Kadri are coming back in few games. We traded Holland and we have enough centers. His cap space at 4.8 mil holds no value to leafs unless Edmonton takes Bozak back in the deal. With all the centers we have in the roster now, Gagner will either be on wings or centers 4th line.

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11-16-2013, 08:27 PM
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You read it. Bozak, Kadri are coming back in few games. We traded Holland and we have enough centers. His cap space at 4.8 mil holds no value to leafs unless Edmonton takes Bozak back in the deal. With all the centers we have in the roster now, Gagner will either be on wings or centers 4th line.
And Gagner is better than all of them.

Imagine.

Gagner
Kadri
Bozak
McClement

Down the middle.

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11-16-2013, 08:29 PM
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And Gagner is better than all of them.

Imagine.

Gagner
Kadri
Bozak
McClement

Down the middle.
Gagner would go from garbage to the #1 center in the league as soon as he got traded.

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11-16-2013, 08:33 PM
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The OP's avatar is ironic.

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11-16-2013, 08:37 PM
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And Gagner is better than all of them.

Imagine.

Gagner
Kadri
Bozak
McClement

Down the middle.
What about Holland? He and Kadri are very similar regarding their growth and opportunities. Holland didn't have the quality opportunity to play on top lines or with quality winger. He can develop pretty well with opportunity with Bolland out and leafs' wingers. We really don't want 4.8 mil contract unless Edmonton includes Bozak in trade, which is not going to happen.

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11-16-2013, 08:38 PM
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OP's user pick says it all.

Banged up Gagner and a winger who doesn't belong in the NHL does not in any shape or form amount to a 2nd pairing d-man, a 3rd line power forward and a 1st rounder.

Take either of those pieces out from Toronto and it's still a ripoff.

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11-16-2013, 08:43 PM
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What about Holland? He and Kadri are very similar regarding their growth and opportunities. Holland didn't have the quality opportunity to play on top lines or with quality winger. He can develop pretty well with opportunity with Bolland out and leafs' wingers. We really don't want 4.8 mil contract unless Edmonton includes Bozak in trade, which is not going to happen.
Put him in the deal to even it out.

Kulemin + Holland for Gagner.

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11-16-2013, 08:45 PM
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Put him in the deal to even it out.

Kulemin + Holland for Gagner.
Why would we help Edmonton by trading them? We don't want Gagner we are done. We have seen his game against us so hard no on Gagner until Bozak is included.

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11-16-2013, 08:54 PM
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Why would we help Edmonton by trading them? We don't want Gagner we are done. We have seen his game against us so hard no on Gagner until Bozak is included.
You would be helping yourself alot too. Or would u prefer to have a 3rd line player centering your top line.

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Put him in the deal to even it out.

Kulemin + Holland for Gagner.
Deal like this only makes sense for Toronto if Bozak is out for several months.

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11-16-2013, 09:16 PM
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Cody Franson
Nikolai Kulemin
1st round pick 2014


Sam Gagner
Linus Omark
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11-16-2013, 09:21 PM
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And Gagner is better than all of them.Imagine.

Gagner
Kadri
Bozak
McClement

Down the middle.
Maybe in ur eyes we aint drinking that koolaid son

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Cody Franson Paul Ranger
Nikolai Kulemin Brad Staubitz
1st round pick 2014 John-Michael Liles


Sam Gagner 1st round pick 2014
Linus Omark 1st round pick 2015
Much better.

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11-16-2013, 09:25 PM
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And Gagner is better than all of them.

Imagine.

Gagner
Kadri
Bozak
McClement

Down the middle.
I don't want to imagine that. It's worse. Nobody likes nightmares.

Leafs don't want Gagner. Period. All 4 of the Leaf centers are more important to the team than Gagner would be.

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11-16-2013, 09:27 PM
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You would be helping yourself alot too. Or would u prefer to have a 3rd line player centering your top line.
This post is made all the more horrible and hilarious by the fact that you are saying this in an attempt to trade us a 3rd line player to center our top line.

Leafs. Don't. Want. Gagner.

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11-16-2013, 11:31 PM
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You would be helping yourself alot too. Or would u prefer to have a 3rd line player centering your top line.
I'd rather have Bozak centering our top line than Gagner at the cost of Franson, Kulemin and a 1st. Omark isn't doing anything in this league. If you can't see why this a bad proposal then there's really no point in discussing it.

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