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UFC 167 GSP vs. Hendricks (UPD Post 774: GSP announces semi-retirement/title forfeit)

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11-17-2013, 07:23 AM
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Exactly. Most people just dont get this. Especially when it's a championship fight. If you're the challenger, you HAVE TO knock the champion out. Hoping for a decision is not going to win you the belt. It's all about points and winning rounds. And GSP knows this.

I do hope they change the judging system though but it is what it is. Its something the fighters and the fans have to accept.
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At best he won the fight on the slimmest of margins. at worst he lost the fight on the slimmest of margins. but the one thing that is clearly true. The fat lady is on stage and belting out a BIG song right in GSP's ears.
as for the looser, yes he could have been given the win but hey you have to finish STRONG to take a belt away from a champ. This is NOT NEW, this is what GSP had to do to get to the top why should the new guy get a break that GSP did not. It's always hard to see your champ win on a single point given by judges and not on a clear overpowering defense of his title. I can sure imagine that exact same outrage if the judges went the other way by 1 point. In fact the loser did NOT knock out GSP, he did NOT win every round, he did NOT finish strong. YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE JUDGES WITH NO CHOICE AT ALL TO EARN A TITLE. That is where JH made his 1 mistake, I bet he won't do that again. GSP did that 9 times but this time GSP failed to do it and well THUS a last fight on a BIG controversy. GSP will retire now as he should.
This line of reasoning to defend one of the worst decisions in mma history. GSP got tooled and the snot kicked out of him. So full of ****. He should be embarrassed leaving there with the belt.

The judges have disgraced this sport long enough.

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11-17-2013, 08:20 AM
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Not exactly a big UFC fan but people in here are pretty funny. So UFC is a joke....have you seen boxing? Wasn't there TONS of controversy as far as boxing results over the years? Involving our own like Lucas. And tons of others? In contact sport, it does seem that to beat the Champ you need to knock him out or CLEARLY win. While some say it was a clear win....winning 3 rounds out of 5 isn't.

As far as next rematch is concerned...Hendricks didn't go all in so he'd be ready for 5 rounds. Next time....go all in. He will KO St-Pierre if he does.


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11-17-2013, 09:20 AM
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Not exactly a big UFC fan but people in here are pretty funny. So UFC is a joke....have you seen boxing? Wasn't there TONS of controversy as far as boxing results over the years? Involving our own like Lucas. And tons of others? In contact sport, it does seem that to beat the Champ you need to knock him out or CLEARLY win. While some say it was a clear win....winning 3 rounds out of 5 isn't.

As far as next rematch is concerned...Hendricks didn't go all in so he'd be ready for 5 rounds. Next time....go all in. He will KO St-Pierre if he does.
This is a UFC thread, more specifically GSP vs Hendricks. Poor decisions in a completely different sport don't justify this decision. It was completely bogus, the idea that you have to kill the champ to win is a completely made up BS narrative people use to defend their guy.

GSP's attack was completely nullified and Hendricks landed the way more effective strikes. A fight can be close in rounds, yet decisive. IMO there wasn't a single round too close to call. It was clearly 1, 2, 4 Hendricks and 3,5 for GSP. If you account for the edge in the rounds won 2 and 4 were the most decisive, but the other 3 rounds should have been crystal clear with competent judging.

The fighters themselves know who won. GSP was a defeated man after that fight and Hendricks was ecstatic, he knew he won. I know he's a local boy, but there is no defending those scorecards. It was a joke.

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11-17-2013, 09:37 AM
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Good point, maybe he's making an "I'm okay" sign to his corner / ref.
tha doesn't make any sense..

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11-17-2013, 10:03 AM
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We are not talking about demolishing the champ to win. We're talking about winning 3 round more than the champ. There is no argument that St-Pierre won round 3 and 5 and tge first round really was tight. In that roubd st-pierre nearly submitted Hendricks and 1 takedown more than Hendricks. Plus he landes more hits than Hendricks.

So yeah, the decision is understandable and that's why St-Pierre won.

Had Hendricks won 3 round without a doubt... He would have the championship belt. He just didn't.

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11-17-2013, 10:14 AM
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GSP destroyed Hughes and Serra to win his titles... He never did go with only 75 % of his power when he was the one that had to prove something to the champion.

Worst decision in history ? Come on. Those decisions happen all the time, and it might not even be the worst this year, IMO.

You gotta KO or submit the champ, specially when you're supposed to be the K O specialist. If not, you let the stats decide it for you, and those were pretty close too.

It wasn't a clear win, that's for sure, but I can't say it was a clear loss too.

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Guys GSP has had a lot of beatings despite his incredible records the last 3 fights have drained a lot of mojo out of GSP his face is getting weaker... he doesnt have any real power any more.. its time to retire. Dont do a rematch George you got nothing to win... your done.

I HOPE HE RETIRES FOR GOOD.
about the decision... I was sure he lost... but also know that despite the obvious power shots received by GSP he did an incredible comeback to crawl out of the 1st and 2nd round..and hit him a few times... clean even if no injury was caused still hit him and it counts.. just for that he deserves lots of respect. But yeah... contreversial, even shocking result

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11-17-2013, 10:16 AM
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Hope GSP stays retired and gives Dana the finger.

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11-17-2013, 10:18 AM
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We are not talking about demolishing the champ to win. We're talking about winning 3 round more than the champ. There is no argument that St-Pierre won round 3 and 5 and tge first round really was tight. In that roubd st-pierre nearly submitted Hendricks and 1 takedown more than Hendricks. Plus he landes more hits than Hendricks.

So yeah, the decision is understandable and that's why St-Pierre won.

Had Hendricks won 3 round without a doubt... He would have the championship belt. He just didn't.
He won 3 rds without a doubt, the first round wasn't particularly close. Almost no one agrees with you, aside from the 2 idiots at ring side. That sub attempt wasn't even remotely deep. There was no chance gsp was submitting him there.

The cleaner more significant strikes were landed by hendricks in round one. With competent judging it was a clear hendricks round.

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11-17-2013, 10:20 AM
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Guys GSP has had a lot of beatings despite his incredible records the last 3 fights have drained a lot of mojo out of GSP his face is getting weaker... he doesnt have any real power any more.. its time to retire. Dont do a rematch George you got nothing to win... your done.

I HOPE HE RETIRES FOR GOOD.
about the decision... I was sure he lost... but also know that despite the obvious power shots received by GSP he did an incredible comeback to crawl out of the 1st and 2nd round..and hit him a few times... clean even if no injury was caused still hit him and it counts.. just for that he deserves lots of respect. But yeah... contreversial, even shocking result
agreed, gsp showed great courage and heart, but he was clearly the lesser fighter here. It was a terrible decision considering the magnitude of that fight. Hendricks beat the snot out of him and won 3 rds.

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11-17-2013, 10:21 AM
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Hope GSP stays retired and gives Dana the finger.
Physically GSP is drained... it showed he isnt as tick has he used to be... age is catching up.. his face is screwed up now... it would be suicidal to try a rematch... so I agree 100% GSP can now relax... well deserved

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I think that in any fight other than a championship fight, GSP would have lost. The champ always gets an extra bonus from the judges. The challenger needs to do more and win in a convincing way. 2-2 and a close first round is not a convincing performance by Johnny.
UFC is not fixed. Judges are not paid by the UFC. They are "independent".
IMO the UFC would have made more money with GSP losing.
Dana, Joe and others criticize the commissions openly. So one more time: blame the judges, not the UFC.
And yes I hope, GSP retires.

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Hope GSP stays retired and gives Dana the finger.
This. I can't wait to watch Dana's PPV numbers drop off the face of the earth now.

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11-17-2013, 10:53 AM
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I can understand the decision to give GSP the win. Both fighters know how the points are given out and if they can't decisively win via KO or submission, then they should know enough to make sure to rack up the points to get the decision. Hendricks didn't do enough to clearly win by decision. And GSP's face gets busted quick almost every fight. He bruises easily, but that's not a clear indicator of points given towards a decision.

I hope GSP doesn't get pressured into a rematch vs Hendricks if he's not into it anymore, but I'd be interested to see how he adjusts to Hendricks in the next fight (if there is one) having now fought him. What makes GSP such as champ is that he came back twice to beat opponents that had clearly beaten him.

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I can understand the decision to give GSP the win. Both fighters know how the points are given out and if they can't decisively win via KO or submission, then they should know enough to make sure to rack up the points to get the decision. Hendricks didn't do enough to clearly win by decision. And GSP's face gets busted quick almost every fight. He bruises easily, but that's not a clear indicator of points given towards a decision.

I hope GSP doesn't get pressured into a rematch vs Hendricks if he's not into it anymore, but I'd be interested to see how he adjusts to Hendricks in the next fight (if there is one) having now fought him. What makes GSP such as champ is that he came back twice to beat opponents that had clearly beaten him.
I was really surprised to see GSP stay up for the whole fight, I wonder if that's what he wanted to do or if Hendricks was too hard to take down.

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11-17-2013, 11:00 AM
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I was really surprised to see GSP stay up for the whole fight, I wonder if that's what he wanted to do or if Hendricks was too hard to take down.
He was, his balance (and takedown defense) was tremendous last night. I was surprised by the lack of kicks to the leg or body by GSP yesterday. I guess those knees to the thigh by Hendricks really affected his mobility.

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He was, his balance (and takedown defense) was tremendous last night. I was surprised by the lack of kicks to the leg or body by GSP yesterday. I guess those knees to the thigh by Hendricks really affected his mobility.
Exactly. That's what Yves Lavigne said this morning.

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My view on the fight is that it wasn't really different from the last few fights GSP fought, minus JH's hammer fists. GSP seems to go for quantity and not quality, and he did exactly that even though he had his face smashed in, an eye half shut and a concussion. The fact that JH lost the final round despite all of this did not help his case. It was the round he needed to win to dethrone the champion, and he didn't do it. Look at the position he was in at the sound of the bell.

Having said this, JH pretty much beat the crap out of GSP and was the more dominant fighter. Who technically won and who deserved to win are two different things.

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Hendricks should have won. But I guess you have to do better, when you're facing the champion.

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An interesting shot of yesterday, showing Hendricks tapping

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An interesting shot of yesterday, showing Hendricks tapping
what round was that?

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An interesting shot of yesterday, showing Hendricks tapping
His hand never even touched gsp, zero % chance he tapped. It wasn't even remotely deep, I'm convinced none of you even follow mma at all. I better duck out of this thread, cheers!!!

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This is a UFC thread, more specifically GSP vs Hendricks. Poor decisions in a completely different sport don't justify this decision.
There is a difference between "This decision is a joke" and "UFC is a joke". The latter permits me to put things in perspective compared to other sports. True though....it doesn't excuse it. But it explains it.

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This is a UFC thread, more specifically GSP vs Hendricks. Poor decisions in a completely different sport don't justify this decision. It was completely bogus, the idea that you have to kill the champ to win is a completely made up BS narrative people use to defend their guy.

GSP's attack was completely nullified and Hendricks landed the way more effective strikes. A fight can be close in rounds, yet decisive. IMO there wasn't a single round too close to call. It was clearly 1, 2, 4 Hendricks and 3,5 for GSP. If you account for the edge in the rounds won 2 and 4 were the most decisive, but the other 3 rounds should have been crystal clear with competent judging.

The fighters themselves know who won. GSP was a defeated man after that fight and Hendricks was ecstatic, he knew he won. I know he's a local boy, but there is no defending those scorecards. It was a joke.
It was indeed a joke. GSP even said he lost memory in the middle of the fight, I mean, seriously...Just another ammo for people that say these sports are corrupted and fixed.
Even the rounds GSP won, they weren't domination.

I would love to know how the point system actually works.


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An interesting shot of yesterday, showing Hendricks tapping
What I want to know is what the hell was he doing? I somehow doubt he was tapping, though it's a possibility, but was he waving to the ref or someone...?

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It was indeed a joke. GSP even said he lost memory in the middle of the fight, I mean, seriously...Just another ammo for people that say these sports are corrupted and fixed.
Even the rounds GSP won, they weren't domination.

I would love to know how the point system actually works.
Most people don't, and this is why people should shut up when it comes to making judgments on decisions in judged sports.

The system used isn't the greatest, it's based on the boxing scoring system, and it's the same problem the electoral systems used in Canada and the USA have (district ridings vs proportional representation). Scoring is round per round, and each of those are based on pure stats: punches thrown/landed, takedown success rate, knockdowns, etc. They don't consider damage dealt/received, pressure and forward movement, and other non-quantifiable stats.

As per the scoring system, GSP won the fight legitimately, even if we can all agree he was likely edged out in reality if you judge the fight as a whole.

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