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11-17-2013, 10:41 PM
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There's zero chance RNH is moved. Gagner can play wing (if Edmonton ever manages to get a proper #2 center). But RNH is really the only true chance Edmonton has at a #1C. He's not there yet, but has that potential.

It'll be Hall or Ebs. I don't see Yak going to Nashville due to their past experience with Radulov. Not that I think that there's any risk of him going to the KHL... just that I could see Nashville being leery of this - at least until he's locked up longer than his ELC.
I agree.

Won't be Hall, Edmonton won't add enough to Hall to make it worthwhile for Nashville.

Won't be Nugent-Hopkins, he's our only possible top center.

Won't be Yakupov, Nashville still has a bad taste in their mouth from Radulov.

Eberle is the only option that makes sense. He covers Nashville`s needs, is somewhat expendable (compared to the others as we have Yak as a potential top line replacement), is a legitimate top line player, and would fit in with Nashville`s roster.

In my proposal, I added Gagner, a top six center who can fill in on the top line in the right scenario, and beside Eberle has been good for him in the past, and J. Schultz, our most valued defender, as a replacement in the top 4 on Nashville, who would fit in well beside a defensive specialist like Kevin Klein.

It just makes sense to me to do a deal like this. Valuable pieces for Nashville, that could be considered expendable by the Oilers if it filled their biggest need.

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11-17-2013, 11:21 PM
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I agree.

Won't be Hall, Edmonton won't add enough to Hall to make it worthwhile for Nashville.

Won't be Nugent-Hopkins, he's our only possible top center.

Won't be Yakupov, Nashville still has a bad taste in their mouth from Radulov.

Eberle is the only option that makes sense. He covers Nashville`s needs, is somewhat expendable (compared to the others as we have Yak as a potential top line replacement), is a legitimate top line player, and would fit in with Nashville`s roster.

In my proposal, I added Gagner, a top six center who can fill in on the top line in the right scenario, and beside Eberle has been good for him in the past, and J. Schultz, our most valued defender, as a replacement in the top 4 on Nashville, who would fit in well beside a defensive specialist like Kevin Klein.

It just makes sense to me to do a deal like this. Valuable pieces for Nashville, that could be considered expendable by the Oilers if it filled their biggest need.
I think there would have to be one more piece added because I think j. Schultz is a UFA at years end so we'd need something incase he doesn't re-sign.

But overall I like the deal.

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11-17-2013, 11:26 PM
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I think there would have to be one more piece added because I think j. Schultz is a UFA at years end so we'd need something incase he doesn't re-sign.

But overall I like the deal.
He's actually an RFA.

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11-17-2013, 11:56 PM
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I think Josi would be a better proposal. What would it take to get him on the Oilers?

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11-18-2013, 12:04 AM
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eberle, hall, 2014 1st round pick for weber , hornqvist
Not a chance for the Oilers. I know he is a great d man but I just cant see the Oilers giving up Hall or Nuge in any deal. And frankly that is just too much for Weber even if Hall was available. His contract is a little ugly so that drops his value a bit too. Yes I know he is great I already said that. Just not Hall, Ebs and what is probably a top 3 pick great.

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11-18-2013, 12:16 AM
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I think there would have to be one more piece added because I think j. Schultz is a UFA at years end so we'd need something incase he doesn't re-sign.

But overall I like the deal.
Schultz is an RFA.

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11-18-2013, 12:21 AM
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Eberle + Gagner + Petry + Klefbom + 1st for Weber + ??

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11-18-2013, 12:46 AM
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To Nashville:
Taylor Hall
Jordan Eberle
Darnell Nurse
Justin Schultz
2014 1st (no protection)

To Edmonton:
Shea Weber
Colin Wilson
Paul Gaustad


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11-18-2013, 12:59 AM
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To Nashville:
Taylor Hall
Jordan Eberle
Darnell Nurse
Justin Schultz
2014 1st (no protection)

To Edmonton:
Shea Weber
Colin Wilson
Paul Gaustad
The Oilers have no need for Wilson. Makes considerably more sense for us to switch in a Gagner/Perron (ie, first liner on the preds) for a Hall/eberle and take back an older guy like Legwand anyway.

Wilson does nothing for the Oilers. Same player we have too much of already. He is a good player, sure, just not a player we need.

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11-18-2013, 01:58 AM
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I don't know. Wilson would automatically be the largest body in the Edmonton top six if that deal were to go through. He would add size, something the Oilers could use up front. However, I don't see Edmonton giving up all of that for Weber, Wilson and Goose.

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The Oilers have no need for Wilson. Makes considerably more sense for us to switch in a Gagner/Perron (ie, first liner on the preds) for a Hall/eberle and take back an older guy like Legwand anyway.

Wilson does nothing for the Oilers. Same player we have too much of already. He is a good player, sure, just not a player we need.
So you would do this?

To Edmonton:
Weber
Legwand
Gaustad

To Nashville:
Hall
Perron/Gagner
J. Schultz
Nurse
2014 1st (no protection)

I believe David Poile would have to think about this deal.

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11-18-2013, 03:43 AM
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I agree.

Won't be Hall, Edmonton won't add enough to Hall to make it worthwhile for Nashville.

Won't be Nugent-Hopkins, he's our only possible top center.

Won't be Yakupov, Nashville still has a bad taste in their mouth from Radulov.
Won't be a deal for Weber.

Gagner isn't atractive at all. If he can't put up numbers in a wide-open Edmoton system with good wingers, what he's going to do in Nashville? It's his 7th season in the NHL, no more excuses for the guy.

J Schultz would not fair well in Nashville systems (or many NHL systems). His defense is atrocious.

Erberle is attractive, but not at the cost of Weber. You build a defense around Weber. You don't build an offense around Eberle. Adding spare pieces doesn't make up the difference..


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11-18-2013, 09:14 AM
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So you would do this?

To Edmonton:
Weber
Legwand
Gaustad

To Nashville:
Hall
Perron/Gagner
J. Schultz
Nurse
2014 1st (no protection)

I believe David Poile would have to think about this deal.
Yeah, I would think about it.

My personal preference would be to trade Eberle instead of Hall, but they are about the same as it stands. Obviously then we'd have to upgrade a touch; Perron instead of Gagner strictly. Perron is the better player (feistier by far, Trotz would love him) and is on a better contract. I'd also be willing to trade Klefbom, I think he is the better D prospect. All Nurse really has on him is a bit of a mean streak.

Something like:
Eberle + Perron + Klefbom + J. Schultz 2014 1st

for

Weber, Guastad, Legwand

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11-18-2013, 09:46 AM
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I don't see a deal that Nashville would realistically think they are improving their team with that the Oilers would actually consider. Sure, if you want to trade Hall, RNH, and Nurse that would interest them but I really don't think Gagner, who is being thrown into most of these proposals is of much interest to anyone.

Gagner to me is like the symbol of everything that has been wrong with the Oilers for the past few seasons. He could be a decent 2nd line center if he could play defense but he is just not a good defensive player. He is not good enough to be a 1st line center and he doesn't bring enough of the qualities that teams want in their bottom 6. I really doubt that anyone is going to trade a player like Weber in a deal where Gagner is supposed to be anything other than a throw in if salaries need to be balanced out.

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I think what a lot of oiler fans here are undervaluing is that stud defensemen are a lot harder to find then a stud winger. That being said, I don't see Nashville wanting to move one of the best defensemen in the league for a one dimensional winger in Eberle. Yes Nashville needs offence, but when giving up one of the best defensemen in The league, why settle for the second best winger on a bottom-feeding team?

It starts and ends with Hall +.
(Not sure of nashville's needs but hall could be replaced with nuge but the + would have to be significant.)

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11-18-2013, 10:15 AM
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To EDM:Josi, Wilson, Taylor Beck

To Nash: Eberle, Perron

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11-18-2013, 10:57 AM
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Shea weber
David legwand
Taylor beck


Sam Gagner
David perron
Oscar klefbom
Marc Olivier Roy
John mccarron

Thus is my example of a flat out quantity for quality win

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Shea weber
David legwand
Taylor beck


Sam Gagner
David perron
Oscar klefbom
Marc Olivier Roy
John mccarron

Thus is my example of a flat out quantity for quality win

How many first rounders are you adding to that package for weber?

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11-18-2013, 11:07 AM
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Won't be a deal for Weber.

Gagner isn't atractive at all. If he can't put up numbers in a wide-open Edmoton system with good wingers, what he's going to do in Nashville? It's his 7th season in the NHL, no more excuses for the guy.

J Schultz would not fair well in Nashville systems (or many NHL systems). His defense is atrocious.

Erberle is attractive, but not at the cost of Weber. You build a defense around Weber. You don't build an offense around Eberle. Adding spare pieces doesn't make up the difference..
Gagner does put up numbers in a wide-open Edmonton system. He was top 20 in scoring for centers last year.

Justin Schultz would be a good fit in Nashville I think. His offense is very, very good, and the Nashville system would quickly have him playing more reliably defensively.

These aren't "spare pieces", these are all pieces with good value. If you don't want to trade Weber, I don't blame you, but incorrectly running down players offered isn't a good argument.

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11-18-2013, 11:09 AM
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To EDM:Josi, Wilson, Taylor Beck

To Nash: Eberle, Perron
I don't think that would do from Edmonton. Josi is a good young defenseman, but on a different team, I don't think would look as impressive. I have a hard time believing that he would be any more than some of the d-men we already have in our system. We don't need more second pair guys, we need a leader. If Weber can't be had, I don't see Eberle being moved for a defender.

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11-18-2013, 11:11 AM
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I think what a lot of oiler fans here are undervaluing is that stud defensemen are a lot harder to find then a stud winger. That being said, I don't see Nashville wanting to move one of the best defensemen in the league for a one dimensional winger in Eberle. Yes Nashville needs offence, but when giving up one of the best defensemen in The league, why settle for the second best winger on a bottom-feeding team?

It starts and ends with Hall +.
(Not sure of nashville's needs but hall could be replaced with nuge but the + would have to be significant.)
We've already been though why Hall doesn't work. We would want Hall and a small addition from our side. Nashville would want Hall and a significant other piece. To us, Hall and RNH are worth ten times what they are worth to other teams, as they are our future. Eberle, despite being almost as good, is much easier for us to move, and would only have slightly lower value on the trade market than Hall/RNH.

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We've already been though why Hall doesn't work. We would want Hall and a small addition from our side. Nashville would want Hall and a significant other piece. To us, Hall and RNH are worth ten times what they are worth to other teams, as they are our future. Eberle, despite being almost as good, is much easier for us to move, and would only have slightly lower value on the trade market than Hall/RNH.
I don't think most trade partners would agree with this assessment of value. As a Preds fan, I wouldn't touch a trade built around Weber and Eberle no matter how many pieces were added, subtracted and re-arranged.

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I still maintain that a deal centered around Josi for Eberle would be perfect for both teams.

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I don't think most trade partners would agree with this assessment of value. As a Preds fan, I wouldn't touch a trade built around Weber and Eberle no matter how many pieces were added, subtracted and re-arranged.
The biggest difference between Hall and Eberle is their draft status. Eberle had a near ppg season only two years ago, and can create offense for his entire line. Hall has more drive, Eberle more creativity. I think his value around the league is very, very high. He does seem to get underrated here, as do most players after they have a few trade proposals tossed their way.

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I still maintain that a deal centered around Josi for Eberle would be perfect for both teams.
Nashville would need to add a lot to Josi to get Eberle. Nothing wrong with Josi at all, but we would want someone more proven if we are moving Eberle. As in, someone who put up great play for an extended period of time, without playing beside arguably the best defenseman in the world. Maybe a Gagner+ deal with Josi, but not Eberle.

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