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11-18-2013, 02:35 AM
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How about This: MDZ + Pyatt + mid pick for Green with 1M retained.
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11-18-2013, 04:35 AM
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Pick any of the Canucks top four D men. They all have NTC'S but this is all hypothetical anyways so what the hell. We'd have to shed some cap weight though and I have no interest in thinking about that portion of it, lol.
Bieksa is my fav, then Hamhuis, then Edler, and I think Garrison would require a little extra to land Green.

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11-18-2013, 05:59 AM
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I don't want to trade him.

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11-18-2013, 07:16 AM
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Staal + 2nd seems like an underpayment to me.

But I'm operating under the assumption that Staal is gone to Carolina once his contract expires.

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11-18-2013, 07:25 AM
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If Green was moved I'd hope for a big #1/#2 L-D. He'd have to be left-handed and knowing Oates' preference, a solid first past.

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11-18-2013, 08:51 AM
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If Green was moved I'd hope for a big #1/#2 L-D. He'd have to be left-handed and knowing Oates' preference, a solid first past.
Why? With Green gone, we'd have just as much of a need at RD, if not more. I'm more comfortable with Urbom and Schmidt on the left side than I am with Strachan and Oleksy on the right.

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11-18-2013, 10:04 AM
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This team only has three legitimate defenseman, and the OP wants to trade one of them. Heh.

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11-18-2013, 11:06 AM
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This team only has three legitimate defenseman, and the OP wants to trade one of them. Heh.
Yeah with another coming back in return. I like Green but this season he hasn't played like a legitimate defenseman.

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11-18-2013, 11:19 AM
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Yeah with another coming back in return. I like Green but this season he hasn't played like a legitimate defenseman.
Would love his puck movement ob ottawa on our second pairing. No idea what we could offer in terms of nhl ready players though as I'm sure you don't want to read another 2 prospects and a 2nd proposal.

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11-18-2013, 11:39 AM
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What about Goligoski + Daley for Greener + Erskine (cap reasons) + one of our LD prospects (Schmidt/Orlov, I think Orlov has higher ceiling but with the bias some GMs have toward Russians Schmidt may very well fetch more).

Caps get a Green replacer and an LD that will fill in that 2nd pairing role.

Alzner - Carlson
Daley - Goligoski
Urbom/Orlov/Schmidt - Oleksy

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11-18-2013, 11:56 AM
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What about Goligoski + Daley for Greener + Erskine (cap reasons) + one of our LD prospects (Schmidt/Orlov, I think Orlov has higher ceiling but with the bias some GMs have toward Russians Schmidt may very well fetch more).

Caps get a Green replacer and an LD that will fill in that 2nd pairing role.

Alzner - Carlson
Daley - Goligoski
Urbom/Orlov/Schmidt - Oleksy
From what I understand, Dallas wouldn't be looking to add more defensemen, quantity-wise. Also, both Daley and Gogo are lefties. Green seems like a good fit though, considering the state of their PP. I wonder if we could get Dillon? Maybe Green and Brouwer for Dillon and cap dumps. Then make a smaller trade for a RD, like a 2nd or 3rd for Mark Fayne.

I dunno, probably easier to just do Brouwer for Gorges or Klesla and pair them with Green.

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11-18-2013, 12:10 PM
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What about Goligoski + Daley for Greener + Erskine (cap reasons) + one of our LD prospects (Schmidt/Orlov, I think Orlov has higher ceiling but with the bias some GMs have toward Russians Schmidt may very well fetch more).

Caps get a Green replacer and an LD that will fill in that 2nd pairing role.

Alzner - Carlson
Daley - Goligoski
Urbom/Orlov/Schmidt - Oleksy
Hell no. Goligoski and Daley are both LHD, so they wouldn't be paired together in Oates' system. So we'd still have a hole in the top four. Beyond that, Goligoski is slumping even harder than Green, so I'm not sure why you'd want to add him to replace Green. Further still, Daley is better used on his off-side anyway, so he's not a great fit in Oates' system. And neither of them have been able to fully establish themselves as quality top 4 defensemen in Dallas anyway, and certainly not one who could fill the hole that Green would leave behind.

It's a lose all around for the Capitals.

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11-18-2013, 12:19 PM
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What about Goligoski + Daley for Greener + Erskine (cap reasons) + one of our LD prospects (Schmidt/Orlov, I think Orlov has higher ceiling but with the bias some GMs have toward Russians Schmidt may very well fetch more).

Caps get a Green replacer and an LD that will fill in that 2nd pairing role.

Alzner - Carlson
Daley - Goligoski
Urbom/Orlov/Schmidt - Oleksy
Are you serious? WTF?

This is worse than the Versteeg proposal.

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11-18-2013, 12:36 PM
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Are you serious? WTF?

This is worse than the Versteeg proposal.
Daley is the 2LD (aka Alzner-lite) we've dreamt for so long, has a good contract and is pretty young, Goligoski is a solid #2RD. #2RD + #2LD = #1RD + a little extra. Seems fine by me.

And if you read the Versteeg proposal I said that I had very limited knowledge about his play of late, I didn't know he was that bad. On the other hand, management that won two Cups lately can't be so delusional, can they?


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11-18-2013, 12:43 PM
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The Oilers could use him. Don't have much in terms of "defense" to offer though.

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11-18-2013, 12:45 PM
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If Green is getting moved at all, the trade has to include a RHD coming back to Washingotn....Oates loves the lefty-righty pairs and trading Green leaves the Caps with Carlson, Oleksy , and Tyson Strachan.....yes

Connor Carrick is not ready yet and Kundratek is out with injury so....yeah Green is staying

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11-18-2013, 12:47 PM
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Hell no. Goligoski and Daley are both LHD, so they wouldn't be paired together in Oates' system. So we'd still have a hole in the top four. Beyond that, Goligoski is slumping even harder than Green, so I'm not sure why you'd want to add him to replace Green. Further still, Daley is better used on his off-side anyway, so he's not a great fit in Oates' system. And neither of them have been able to fully establish themselves as quality top 4 defensemen in Dallas anyway, and certainly not one who could fill the hole that Green would leave behind.

It's a lose all around for the Capitals.
Alex Goligoski | #33 | Defense | Dallas Stars
Height: 5-11 | Weight: 181 | Shoots: Right

I don't know how you can say neither has been a quality top-4 defenseman.

Advanced stats show Goligoski played real well last year (good Corsi). Both faced pretty good competition (second lines) both last and this year, unlike Green, and Daley has very low OZone start %. Goligoski's cold spell I think is not a problem, all players have theirs.

In other words, Daley is a consistent 2nd pairing defenseman, Goligoski may even be above average in that, but going through a slump.

Didn't know about Daley more useful as RD. But if Oates was able to change Ovi, I think Daley can adjust too.

IMO, if you can get a second pairing for one first-pairing d-man (especially the one who is consistently out of the first pairing), you do it. On the other hand, if we can get Daley without giving up Green, I'd do that too.

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Goligoski shoots left.

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11-18-2013, 01:04 PM
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Goligoski shoots left.
Hm, just looked at the photos, he really does. Bizarre, Yahoo is usually very accurate with that stuff.

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11-18-2013, 01:13 PM
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I'd do something like

J. Schultz/Klefbom+N. Schultz (for cap reasons this year)+2nd

Probably not but still get 2 decent pieces who could step in this year.

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11-18-2013, 01:21 PM
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IMO - really hard to value Green when he's hurt again. He's been really fragile, and from what I saw ws really struggling this year prior to the injury. He's under contract for one more year @ $6.1M, which he's worth when he's at the top of his game.

I just can't get a real read from what Green's contribution is, because he's hurt so often and that has impacted what he can do on the ice.

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11-18-2013, 01:24 PM
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As a NYR fan... needing a PP QB and a RD in particular, Staal+contract filler for Green is something I would think about...

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11-18-2013, 01:41 PM
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Yeah with another coming back in return. I like Green but this season he hasn't played like a legitimate defenseman.
His GA/20 is lower than Carlson and Alzner and hes done that playing with a rookie for a majority of the year.

Its amazing how Alzner escapes criticism for his constant passes to skates.

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11-18-2013, 02:37 PM
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His GA/20 is lower than Carlson and Alzner and hes done that playing with a rookie for a majority of the year.

Its amazing how Alzner escapes criticism for his constant passes to skates.
5on5 or overally?

I find that very hard to believe if it's just 5on5. Overally yes Green might have lower GA/20 because he doesn't play on the PK.

And then there is the fact that Alzner is always on the ice against teams top lines...

Blaming Schmidt for Green's struggles is also ridiculous. If one has carried the other in that pair it's been Schmidt carrying Green.

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