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11-20-2013, 09:41 AM
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Yeah I see him being our new Plekanec as well. Hard worker, straight forward game, responsible, speedy. Hopefully he keeps it up!
I don't see him having as much offense as Plekanec. But in terms of playing a strong 2 way game and work ethic they are similar, Bournival is a bit bigger and more physical.

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I am on board with this assessment as well. The Benoit Brunet comparison seems a pretty good one though it looks like Bournival has better offensive ability and upside. Yet another really nice, where did he suddenly come from surprise from the prospect pool.
I wasn't surprised at what he could do, but I was surprised he could do it this year, was expecting him to need at least another year AHL to be at current level.

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I think he'll be a better centre than Eller.
I don't see the offensive upside and size to protect the puck Eller has.

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11-20-2013, 09:43 AM
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That. Gio is gone next year and Bournival is the replacement. Eventually better than old Gio, too. Which is good, because for all the flack Gio gets, you still need somebody to replace his contribution.
I bet they'll find some old vet to replace him

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i thought it was funny after his goal seeing (6)

it hit me, paciorretty just had a hat trick and bournival STILL has more goals than him..

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He's a guy who will be able to play on any line, any position, and any situation. The Habs ultimate utility player. I love how well rounded his game is already.
My thoughts too.

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11-20-2013, 09:59 AM
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I can see him become a good second line player scoring around 20-25 goals and 55-60 points per season.

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I don't see the offensive upside and size to protect the puck Eller has.
At the same age, Eller put up 17 points in 77 games (less ice-time, different linemates, etc.).

Bournival has three fewer points than Eller now in three fewer games.

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11-20-2013, 10:00 AM
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He reminds me of rookie Chris Higgins

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I don't know how good Bournival can become but he's one of these guys you always seem to notice when he's on the ice and that's a very good thing for a player. I'd like to see MT try him with Galchenyuk and Eller for a few shifts.

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11-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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Could be he ends up in a Carbonneau like role. Assuming he can hone his face off skills, I can see him centering a line with Prust and Bourque.


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I like how correct a lot of the player projections on him were. Back when he was drafted the word is he could play any line on any position. That's exactly what he can do. Some freaked when he was playing fourth line with Moen but there he was last night, still getting goals on the fourth line.

He'll be the working class hero of the Habs.

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11-20-2013, 10:13 AM
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I don't know how good Bournival can become but he's one of these guys you always seem to notice when he's on the ice and that's a very good thing for a player. I'd like to see MT try him with Galchenyuk and Eller for a few shifts.
Me too buddy! Me too!

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I can see him become a good second line player scoring around 20-25 goals and 55-60 points per season.
60 points means powerplay time and plenty of it. A 60 point season is an average Saku year in Montreal. It's too much to ask or expect from Bourni.

35-40 points a year is his high end IMO. Love the forecheck and smarts. He'll be a good 3rd liner for us. Think Dominic Moore type of production.

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60 points means powerplay time and plenty of it. A 60 point season is an average Saku year in Montreal. It's too much to ask or expect from Bourni.

35-40 points a year is his high end IMO. Love the forecheck and smarts. He'll be a good 3rd liner for us. Think Dominic Moore type of production.
Saku only had three 60 points seasons in MTL. (Desharnais has 1)

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Saku only had three 60 points seasons in MTL. (Desharnais has 1)
To be fair, you can pro-rate a heck of a lot more 60 point seasons for Koivu if you account for the time he missed due to injury.

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Saku only had three 60 points seasons in MTL. (Desharnais has 1)
Koivu has 806 points in 1071 career games = 0.753 points/game. That career production means he averaged about 61 points for every 82 games. That type of production is pretty high expectation for Bournival. I think he fits the Higgins style/production mold.

Desharnais shows how doing 60 points even once is such a feat that it can set you up for life. Averaging it over your career (especially with little help linemate wise) is a notable feat.

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To be fair, you can pro-rate a heck of a lot more 60 point seasons for Koivu if you account for the time he missed due to injury.
Hence why average points per game should be used more than just points.

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I don't see the offensive upside and size to protect the puck Eller has.
I thought size was irrelevant.

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At the same age, Eller put up 17 points in 77 games (less ice-time, different linemates, etc.).

Bournival has three fewer points than Eller now in three fewer games.
I see Bournival being a lot closer to his ceiling as a prospect now than Eller was back then.

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I think Bournival's ceiling is a 2nd line forward, but I don't know if he'll get there. He doesn't seem to have much for natural puck skills, but he knows how to pick up points. He's reliable defensively, fast, and tenacious on the puck, though, which are other important qualities.

Overall, I think he figures in Montreal's plans as a bottom-six forward, probably on the third line as a center or a winger.

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To be fair, you can pro-rate a heck of a lot more 60 point seasons for Koivu if you account for the time he missed due to injury.
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Hence why average points per game should be used more than just points.
lol ... almost scoring 60 points...and scoring 60 points...are different things :/..

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lol ... almost scoring 60 points...and scoring 60 points...are different things :/..
Sure, but so is scoring 50 points in 82 games versus 50 points in 50 games. Right?

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I see Bournival being a lot closer to his ceiling as a prospect now than Eller was back then.
Time will tell. I just think Bournival has a more solid game at the same age. I don't think either one will be a number one centre on a contender. But to this point it can be said that he's shown more upside at 21 than Eller. I agree Eller had more parts of the game to work on and has done so.

My wish is for Bournival to develop top-end face-off skills. If every other skill remains the same it's still a plus for the organization. And he hasn't been outplayed by Eller this year even, let alone at 24.

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I think he'll be a better centre than Eller.
That would be awesome....but not likely

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Gauthier made an excellent trade for the Habs, OByrne ... Oh Bye-bye.

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Gauthier made an excellent trade for the Habs, OByrne ... Oh Bye-bye.
I will say this, aside from having the personality of a mule, Pierre Gauthier was a great GM.

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