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11-21-2013, 07:23 AM
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Tyler Myers is nowhere near worth that amount of assets, even if Buffalo agrees to swallow part of the money. You have two struggling former 1st rounders of similar production. MDZ is a bargain compared to Myers. Myers for MDZ straight up is slanted in Buffalo's favor if no money is coming back to the Rangers. Why even think of adding additional assets in that deal if you're the Rangers. Adding Miller would be highway robbery for Buffalo.

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Love the dedication to including cap implications in every post. Impressive. I would never have the patience to do this.
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Ericsson is close to signing an extension in Detroit. McKenzie reported $4M for 4-5 years. Healey said on the Hotstove early in the season that Ericsson and Girardi are the two top free agent D. He believes the guy in Toronto will stay there. Ericsson didn't break the bank. Hammer in Chicago didn't break the bank. The numbers for Girardi are down. His PP time is gone. His minutes are down. Brooks reported the Rangers haven't made any progress with their free agents. His production is down. He is on pace for 4 goals and 8 points. Girardi isn't getting any assists.

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This is something that absolutely blows my mind. The Rangers seem to lack any sort of future plan. Every other NHL team extends players, not the Rangers. Boyle, Moore, Pouliot, Hank, Callahan, Girardi, Stralman. And that's just UFA's. How can they not make any movement on any of those players? Do they not want any of them back? It's unbelievable.

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I would 100% take Girardi back on a $4-4.5/year deal. Preferably for 3 or 4 years.
4-5 years would be fine.

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This is something that absolutely blows my mind. The Rangers seem to lack any sort of future plan. Every other NHL team extends players, not the Rangers. Boyle, Moore, Pouliot, Hank, Callahan, Girardi, Stralman. And that's just UFA's. How can they not make any movement on any of those players? Do they not want any of them back? It's unbelievable.

4-5 years would be fine.
I would be pretty surprised to not see Hank, Callahan signed before years end. Girardi I think is going.

As for the others who cares. I like Stralman but he may be too expensive on the cap. Boyle, Moore, Pouliott, Pyatt, Powe, Asham are all goners IMO. They like Boyle but not at that price

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The biggest question RE MDZ is not is he better than Moore. It is not what side should he be put on. It is - can you afford to pay him whatever the hell his contract demands will be this summer? That will be what determines whether or not he gets traded. If he keeps playing like this he will lose a lot of leverage, though on the flip side if he IS disgruntled - will he sign an offer sheet?

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The biggest question RE MDZ is not is he better than Moore. It is not what side should he be put on. It is - can you afford to pay him whatever the hell his contract demands will be this summer? That will be what determines whether or not he gets traded. If he keeps playing like this he will lose a lot of leverage, though on the flip side if he IS disgruntled - will he sign an offer sheet?
I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.

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Why would Sens trade Zibanejad? It'd be like us entertaining the idea of trading Kreider.
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Perron I would like to see but he is also a longer term asset. Is Edmonton going to give his next two years up just to replace that salary/cap hit with Del Zotto's if they can even get him signed that cheap?



Del Zotto on his own, for a rental, or for another teams slated to be arbitration eligible RFA that they are not too keen on resigning at what he will likely receive.

No team in their right mind is going to trade for Del Zotto without considering his contract status and a strong guesstimate of what it will take to resign him if they are giving up anything they could use long term, like a player on an entry level, or a player who is signed to a semi decent contract for another year or two.

Would anyone here want to trade any valuable Ranger long term assets, or any top prospects on entry level contracts for Kulikov or Franson or Ennis as they to are arbitration eligible RFA to be players who will require a decent raise in order to re-sign them?

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James Wisniewski would be a nice fit here but very tough to match up money. You also have to wonder whether Jarmo Kekalainen has the stomach to make another deal with the Rangers.
I honestly thought they might amnesty him given his injury history, but no such luck. He'd be a very solid addition if CBJ at some salary, but that's not gonna happen.

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11-21-2013, 08:25 AM
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I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.

Considering all the crap proposals and badgering of his value by other teams "expert" fans on the main boards, I'd take that 1st & 3rd and run, especially since the chances of a lottery team with cap space sending that offer is good and we're looking at a pick in the 2015 draft that has McDavid in it.

Yeah. I'd rather wait and see if MDZ get's offer sheeted unless we are offered a upgrade this season for MDZ+

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Ok, against the background of 4. and (i) above, its not easy at all to find potential scenarios out there. Yakupov is of course one option that fits the mold, but he is a former 1st round pick and MDZ is still probably to little to get him.

But we have more or less only looked at younger options. With the cap scenario, teams want to hang on to them.

Could a vet on a "bad" contract be an option (RB run for your losec!) -- with the team getting MDZ taking on money?

I mean, if we start at looking at vets with "bad contracts", that would make sense for us contracts aside, I think we will find alot more interesting names that teams might be willing to move. Looking at the teams in this league from A-, here are some randon names just to name a few.

Bad contracts that would look better if a couple of million is taken back
Tyler Myers (6 x 5.5m)
Christian Erhoff (8 x 4m)
Alex Semin (5 x 7m)
Jeff Skinner (6 x 5.75m)
Nathan Horton (7 x 5.3m)
James Wisniewski (4 x 5.5m)
Johan Franzen (7 x 3.9m)
Ryane Clowe (5 x 4.85m) [jokle]
Vincent Lecavalier (5 x 4.5m)
Mark Streit (4 x 5.2m)
Brent Burns (4 x 5.7m)

Example 1
I mean take Tyler Myers for example. The kid is barely playing solid top 6 hockey right now, he is paid 5.5m per and is in a real negative situation. Buffalo is ridding themselves of misstakes made. Who in their right mind would take him -- with that contract?

OTOH, you got a 6'8 really young RIGHT defensemen. With a heavy shot. Decent first pass. Tremendous reach. Some toughness. He got a 48 pts season in the NHL under his belth.

If Buffalo took on like 25-30% of his contracta, up to 2m per, you get that D for 3.5m per locked up for 6 years. That would definitely put him in another light. The contracts signed out there are really nutty right now, and it seems like the going price for a top 4 D is creeping up towards 4-5m per. We could pay a top 4 D 3.5m per in 2019, I just imagine that could be tremendously valuble. And I definitely think Myers really could use a change of scenary and become a very solid top 4 D (while maybe not a Norris candidate like he was hyped).

Buffalo are rebuilding for sure. Would they be interested in like Michael Del Zotto, Kristo, Skjei and a 2nd round pick package for Tyler Myers and 30% of the contract? Would anyone do MDZ and Miller for Myers and 30% of contract?

Example 2
Detroit just needs to rebuild. They won't make a trade now, but they could be on the outside looking in in a couple of months.

Johan Franzen is on a nuts contract. Del Zotto would help them for sure. We wouldn't face cap-recapturing issues with Franzen due to Burke...

Would they be interested in making Franzen extremely attractive from a cap point of view by taking back say a mil of his 3.9m cap hit and getting Del Zotto and handful of young depth in return?

Like Franzen and 25% of contract (giving him a cap hit of 3m per) for Del Zotto, Oscar Lindberg, Kristo, Skjei and a 3rd rounder? We get our big PF for 4-5 years. We get PO experience and a proven winner. A LW that really could give Nash a board presence. Etc. Detroit jump starts their rebuilding process. They only take back 1m per year.

Bottom line, the proposed thinking is of course far fetched. But many of these guys on horrible contracts get alot more attractive if you take away a couple of millions of their cap hit. They go from players you wouldn't touch with a pole to actually becoming quite interesting.
I like Franzen. Solid winger, big body that understands that and knows how to impose his size in the dirty area of the ice.

Absolutely NO WAY I give up that package of players WITH the wings eating the whole contract.

He's 33 today, going to be 34 this year. Has 6 years left on his deal AFTER this season.

He's already showing signs of slowing down and similar to Holmstrom who I loved as a player, takes a beating for his willingness to stand in those dirty areas.

Franzen is not a player I would target. The contract is the reason.

Had he 4 years left on his deal (including this one) I'd be more interested, but not at the package above. No freaking way

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I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.
"Hf boards value" I take the picks
"Realistic value" (per real gm's not the armchair ones around here) I'd rather sather traded him
Plus this team doesn't need picks it needs players

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Everyone makes it sound as if Sather hasn't tried to re-up anyone. He has... Especially Hank. He's low balling everyone because at this stage of the negotiation... That is what's called for. If any of the players we are trying to extend would've said "Thanks Glen! I appreciate it and love playing for you here in NY!" The deals would be done. These guys are playing their side of the negotiations too.

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Tyler Myers is nowhere near worth that amount of assets, even if Buffalo agrees to swallow part of the money. You have two struggling former 1st rounders of similar production. MDZ is a bargain compared to Myers. Myers for MDZ straight up is slanted in Buffalo's favor if no money is coming back to the Rangers. Why even think of adding additional assets in that deal if you're the Rangers. Adding Miller would be highway robbery for Buffalo.
Completely agreed - although... you raise an interesting point.

What about MDZ for Myers with Buffalo keeping 50% of the salary? That's intriguing to me. Both teams looking to get talented young guys who've slumped and could benefit from a change of scenery.

Buffalo: Best case: they get a true offensive defenseman who blossoms in a no pressure situation where he is allowed to play top 4 minutes on his natural left side (where he's blossomed before) - and he's cost controlled due to RFA status. Worst case: DZ bombs, you let him walk, but you've shed half of Myers's salary, which right now is looking like an albatross on the books.

NYR: Best case: they get a big, strong, heavy shot from the right side who allows everyone to play in their natural position and is an anchor on the right side for years to come at the bargain price of only $2.75MM per year. Worst case: they've got a bottom pairing defenseman who needs sheltered minutes, but is still righthanded and still huge at $2.75MM per year. Probably overpaid by $0.5-0.75MM per year, but nothing terrible. And you can always buy him out (the regular way) or demote him for a marginal cap hit.

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Completely agreed - although... you raise an interesting point.

What about MDZ for Myers with Buffalo keeping 50% of the salary? That's intriguing to me. Both teams looking to get talented young guys who've slumped and could benefit from a change of scenery.

Buffalo: Best case: they get a true offensive defenseman who blossoms in a no pressure situation where he is allowed to play top 4 minutes on his natural left side (where he's blossomed before) - and he's cost controlled due to RFA status. Worst case: DZ bombs, you let him walk, but you've shed half of Myers's salary, which right now is looking like an albatross on the books.

NYR: Best case: they get a big, strong, heavy shot from the right side who allows everyone to play in their natural position and is an anchor on the right side for years to come at the bargain price of only $2.75MM per year. Worst case: they've got a bottom pairing defenseman who needs sheltered minutes, but is still righthanded and still huge at $2.75MM per year. Probably overpaid by $0.5-0.75MM per year, but nothing terrible. And you can always buy him out (the regular way) or demote him for a marginal cap hit.
I made a similar proposal a few weeks ago, but, I went in a different direction - MDZ for Myers and the #1 the Sabres got in the Vanek deal.

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I made a similar proposal a few weeks ago, but, I went in a different direction - MDZ for Myers and the #1 the Sabres got in the Vanek deal.
Also interesting, but a bigger risk for the Rangers. (And therefore probably more attractive to the Sabres.) All things being equal, I think I'd rather the 50% salary retention...

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I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.
Personally as of now he gets the minimum offer sheet amount possible--and not more than $3 mil per or it's sayonara. More or less meaning you try to trade him before you have to deal with his agent. He has really earned a raise.

Again--he needs to take his game to the 50-55 point level anyway. His bread and butter is supposed to be his offensive game. He's not nearly on the level of McDonagh, Staal, Girardi or Stralman defensively. He is the weakest physically of all our D and might even be the slowest.

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I made a similar proposal a few weeks ago, but, I went in a different direction - MDZ for Myers and the #1 the Sabres got in the Vanek deal.
I think Pouliot or Pyatt would have to go back in the deal to make the money feasible for this season. Almost guarantees that Girardi is gone as well. That being said, if Myers can regain his form, he gives us one of the best top-pairings in the NHL, and one that can play in every situation.

Huge, huge gamble though, no matter how you slice it.

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I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.
I think they could get a good prospect + 1st for him right now if they wanted to go in that direction.

I would rather trade him for a good young forward 1 for 1 though.

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I honestly thought they might amnesty him given his injury history, but no such luck. He'd be a very solid addition if CBJ at some salary, but that's not gonna happen.
I was hoping the same thing. I am still hoping there are some amnesties this upcoming off-season of players like Franzen or Wiz.

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Considering all the crap proposals and badgering of his value by other teams "expert" fans on the main boards, I'd take that 1st & 3rd and run, especially since the chances of a lottery team with cap space sending that offer is good and we're looking at a pick in the 2015 draft that has McDavid in it.

Yeah. I'd rather wait and see if MDZ get's offer sheeted unless we are offered a upgrade this season for MDZ+
Crap proposals from fans who don't know anything about him shouldn't be used as a gauge of what is really being offered. If it is true there are at least 5 teams interested, that's plenty to get a mini bidding war. Who are the teams? Minnesota, Colorado, Edmonton, TB, Ottawa? Dallas has been rumored. Florida has been rumored. There are pieces on each team the Rangers, I am sure, have keyed in on. They won't just dump him for anything.

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I think Pouliot or Pyatt would have to go back in the deal to make the money feasible for this season. Almost guarantees that Girardi is gone as well. That being said, if Myers can regain his form, he gives us one of the best top-pairings in the NHL, and one that can play in every situation.

Huge, huge gamble though, no matter how you slice it.
I think I'd pass. He has looked beyond horrible and his footspeed has not improved at all.

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we are 1/4 of a way into the season... new coach, new system, mdz is the smartest player to begin with.

mdz is 23.. this kid oozes talent.. he is 23.. he has the pedigree.. he is 23.. at the top of the game he is dynamic.. he is 23.. with age will most likely come consistency..

richie might take his pp qbing duties now.. but he is getting bought out.. there is zero chance richards is on the team next season...

what happens if staal leaves in 2 seasons? mdz would still only be 25/26..

but who runs the pp next season? who even knows what next year's team will look like?

mdz should not be traded..

the past few seasons there has been a ton of turnover on the Rangers.. whose to say that trend doesnt continue? puck moving offensive minded defenseman are always on the top of the list for teams to get..

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I think MDZ will ask for 3.5m from the Rangers, but could get 4m somewhere else.
Given an offer sheet he falls in this bracket:

$3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

Would you guys say that it's worth keeping him and take the potential compensation picks? Or trade him at the deadline/now.
MDZ does not need an offer sheet to get that contract (3.5M-4M), he's arbitration eligible.

If the Rangers are not going to want MDZ for those sort of numbers why would any other team and why would they give up a 1st and good prospect or something that has longer term value to them for that sort of contract going forward?

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Sather likes to grind down the other side in contract talks. He met with Don Meehan last week in Toronto. There is no pressure to get it done. Lundqvist isn't leaving. The Rangers and Meehan will get a deal when both sides are ready. That's how Glen operates.

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Sather likes to grind down the other side in contract talks. He met with Don Meehan last week in Toronto. There is no pressure to get it done. Lundqvist isn't leaving. The Rangers and Meehan will get a deal when both sides are ready. That's how Glen operates.
Doesn't make sense when they should have been talking for months now.

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MDZ for Connolly from Tampa Bay. Might be a little slanted in Tampa Bays favor though. A proven Dman for an unprove forward? Maybe TB can include a pick or prospect?

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MDZ for Connolly from Tampa Bay. Might be a little slanted in Tampa Bays favor though. A proven Dman for an unprove forward? Maybe TB can include a pick or prospect?
I have mentioned this for a while now. MDZ and Stamkos are friends from Juniors. I like Gudas, although I doubt he is moved. He would be a nice upgrade. Maybe TB throws in one of their good forward prospects? Namestnikov? Panik? Or Koekoek?

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