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11-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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I think Pouliot or Pyatt would have to go back in the deal to make the money feasible for this season. Almost guarantees that Girardi is gone as well. That being said, if Myers can regain his form, he gives us one of the best top-pairings in the NHL, and one that can play in every situation.

Huge, huge gamble though, no matter how you slice it.
It is a big risk, but, if you're able to rehabilitate Myers, and, at some point, add McIlrath to the mix, you get younger and less expensive on the right side of your defense.

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It is a big risk, but, if you're able to rehabilitate Myers, and, at some point, add McIlrath to the mix, you get younger and less expensive on the right side of your defense.
Certainly true. But right now Myers is a borderline 2nd pairing defender. If he doesn't find that high level again, his contract could cripple us pretty badly. I think he might just be one of those players who has fallen into a rut with what was a rudderless organization, but you never know.

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I think you consider Tyler Myers as possibly a last option and try to make trades with the senators, wild or ducks first. He is such a great risk and expensive, we need to proceed with great caution.

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Certainly true. But right now Myers is a borderline 2nd pairing defender. If he doesn't find that high level again, his contract could cripple us pretty badly. I think he might just be one of those players who has fallen into a rut with what was a rudderless organization, but you never know.
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I think you consider Tyler Myers as possibly a last option and try to make trades with the senators, wild or ducks first. He is such a great risk and expensive, we need to proceed with great caution.
Precisely why I like the salary retention option rather than the #1 pick that jas proposed as the sweetener from Buffalo. Tyler Myers for $2.75MM per year works just fine for me. Happy to take that risk.

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If Buffalo retained salary then I'd be interested in Tyler Myers. However that would drive up the cost a little more. I don't know what Buffalo would want. If you start with Del Zotto +, I don;t think that addresses our main problem. I think our main problem (and I'm sure a majority here are on board with this) is forward depth. We need more forwards that can score goals on the 3rd line. I'm not even asking for scoring depth on the 4th line because that would be too much to ask at the moment. They need forwards.

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If Buffalo retained salary then I'd be interested in Tyler Myers. However that would drive up the cost a little more. I don't know what Buffalo would want. If you start with Del Zotto +, I don;t think that addresses our main problem. I think our main problem (and I'm sure a majority here are on board with this) is forward depth. We need more forwards that can score goals on the 3rd line. I'm not even asking for scoring depth on the 4th line because that would be too much to ask at the moment. They need forwards.
In looking at the lineup we iced last night (which gave Boston more than it could handle and had terrible puck luck), which forward would you like to upgrade?

Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello
Nash-Richards-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Pouliot
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

Pouliot's the obvious choice, but c'mon - you're looking at a 3rd line RW there (and our best depth is actually at RW with Kristo and Miller on the cusp). Anyone else and you'd probably be sending a forward back in the deal, who will provide significant value in his own right.

Mind you, I'd love a center, particularly with Richards likely leaving in the offseason - or a bona fide up and coming power forward at any of the three forward positions - but the team's most glaring need IMO is RHD with a point shot.

If you can get Coyle or Zinbanejad, those are probably my first choices, by Tyler Myers (with salary retention by Buffalo) is probably my 3rd.

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In looking at the lineup we iced last night (which gave Boston more than it could handle and had terrible puck luck), which forward would you like to upgrade?

Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello
Nash-Richards-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Pouliot
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

Pouliot's the obvious choice, but c'mon - you're looking at a 3rd line RW there (and our best depth is actually at RW with Kristo and Miller on the cusp). Anyone else and you'd probably be sending a forward back in the deal, who will provide significant value in his own right.

Mind you, I'd love a center, particularly with Richards likely leaving in the offseason - or a bona fide up and coming power forward at any of the three forward positions - but the team's most glaring need IMO is RHD with a point shot.

If you can get Coyle or Zinbanejad, those are probably my first choices, by Tyler Myers (with salary retention by Buffalo) is probably my 3rd.
I'd like to upgrade Callahan and have Callahan replace Pouliot.

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In looking at the lineup we iced last night (which gave Boston more than it could handle and had terrible puck luck), which forward would you like to upgrade?

Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello
Nash-Richards-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Pouliot
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

Pouliot's the obvious choice, but c'mon - you're looking at a 3rd line RW there (and our best depth is actually at RW with Kristo and Miller on the cusp). Anyone else and you'd probably be sending a forward back in the deal, who will provide significant value in his own right.

Mind you, I'd love a center, particularly with Richards likely leaving in the offseason - or a bona fide up and coming power forward at any of the three forward positions - but the team's most glaring need IMO is RHD with a point shot.

If you can get Coyle or Zinbanejad, those are probably my first choices, by Tyler Myers (with salary retention by Buffalo) is probably my 3rd.
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I'd like to upgrade Callahan and have Callahan replace Pouliot.
EXACTLY what I was thinking SBOB. Upgrading the 3rd line RW is a simple decision...IF you can upgrade the 2nd line RW. If you can package Del Zotto + Pouliot + draft pick + prospect for a 2nd line RW then you do it. Pouliot still has value. He still has an average scoring touch. I think with Del Zotto as the main piece, you add in the other pieces, you can net a 2nd line RWer and move Callahan down to the 3rd line where he is better suited.

I don't think Kristo and Miller that much on the cusp. Miller still makes dumb mistakes out there. He needs to work on his game more. He'd be better off doing that in the AHL. I want to see Kristo produce over the duration of the season. I don't think you can go off of just 2 months. I like what I have seen from him thus far though.

Brassard would be my other choice btw. If you can upgrade him at 3C that'd be great as well. He is too much of an inconsistent player.

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11-21-2013, 12:39 PM
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EXACTLY what I was thinking SBOB. Upgrading the 3rd line RW is a simple decision...IF you can upgrade the 2nd line RW. If you can package Del Zotto + Pouliot + draft pick + prospect for a 2nd line RW then you do it. Pouliot still has value. He still has an average scoring touch. I think with Del Zotto as the main piece, you add in the other pieces, you can net a 2nd line RWer and move Callahan down to the 3rd line where he is better suited.

I don't think Kristo and Miller that much on the cusp. Miller still makes dumb mistakes out there. He needs to work on his game more. He'd be better off doing that in the AHL. I want to see Kristo produce over the duration of the season. I don't think you can go off of just 2 months. I like what I have seen from him thus far though.

Brassard would be my other choice btw. If you can upgrade him at 3C that'd be great as well. He is too much of an inconsistent player.
Failing that, I'd like to add a more phyiscal presence on the third line. I hate saying broad, generic comments like this, but if they could find a young Chris Neil, I would jump at it. A physical, aggressive guy who has 15-18 goal upside.

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I think a wing would help more this year, but the team really needs another center over the long haul.

Inevitable Richards buyout. Brassard continuing to be inconsistent. Miller/Lindberg with potential but no sure thing. Center depth is so important, and the Rangers mod-long term outlook there is questionable.

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We will definitely need a center to replace Richards' 60-65 points. Brassard is struggling in a 3rd line role and he hasn't come close to hitting 60 points in the career. Targeting a top 6 center for the next season and beyond seems like a smart idea.

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Failing that, I'd like to add a more phyiscal presence on the third line. I hate saying broad, generic comments like this, but if they could find a young Chris Neil, I would jump at it. A physical, aggressive guy who has 15-18 goal upside.
Can you think of anyone like that?
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I think a wing would help more this year, but the team really needs another center over the long haul.

Inevitable Richards buyout. Brassard continuing to be inconsistent. Miller/Lindberg with potential but no sure thing. Center depth is so important, and the Rangers mod-long term outlook there is questionable.
I agree. Center is a concern. If Lindberg can pick up steam as the season goes on, getting more acclimated to N.A. ice/game, then I'd be more comfortable going into next season.

My focus is this season. I like this team. I think it has potential to be a tough team to play against in the playoffs. They have different dynamics to their overall game that not every team has. Hagelin and Kreider's speed can wear down teams. If Nash can stay healthy, he has the finish ability. Stepan needs to start producing. Richards needs to keep trucking along. They need another scorer in that mix. I like their 4th line IF it stays Boyle-Moore-Dorsett like it should.

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Can you think of anyone like that?
I can't, which is why I prefaced my comment with my disdain for what I was about to write.

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MDZ for Connolly from Tampa Bay. Might be a little slanted in Tampa Bays favor though. A proven Dman for an unprove forward? Maybe TB can include a pick or prospect?
That actually makes a lot of sense. I would be pretty happy with that deal. Connolly is unproven but has a lot of raw talent.

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Chicago couldn't afford Cam Barker so they traded him to the Wild for Kim Johnsson(on the last year of his contract) and Nick Leddy who was still at the University of Minnesota. The Hawks had the cap crunch after winning the Cup. They knew the cap crunch was coming before winning the Cup so they moved Barker. Johnsson suffered a concussion so he wasn't much help to the Hawks first Cup win. Leddy has become a key member of that team. They had him for 3 years on his ELC and now he is on an affordable second contract. $2.7M. $150,000 more than DZ. The Hawks don't win because they sucked in 2006 and 2007. Smart and progressive. Leddy was a #1 in 2009. The Hawks acquired him less than 1 year later. Signed him out of college a few months later. Split his first season between the NHL and AHL. NHL regular ever since. The Rangers have a list of young players they like from every team. Where did McD come from? That list. Make that young guy the centerpiece of the DZ trade.

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Failing that, I'd like to add a more phyiscal presence on the third line. I hate saying broad, generic comments like this, but if they could find a young Chris Neil, I would jump at it. A physical, aggressive guy who has 15-18 goal upside.
Sounds like Kyle Clifford to me, who was available in the off-season according to rumors. I'd absolutely love him.

Although the player that may fit this type of role moving forward is also on Minnesota who has been rumored to be looking at MDZ, Nino Niederiter.

They really have no one in the top-9 who can intimidate or drop the gloves regularly if need be. HUGE problem.

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Chicago couldn't afford Cam Barker so they traded him to the Wild for Kim Johnsson(on the last year of his contract) and Nick Leddy who was still at the University of Minnesota. The Hawks had the cap crunch after winning the Cup. They knew the cap crunch was coming before winning the Cup so they moved Barker. Johnsson suffered a concussion so he wasn't much help to the Hawks first Cup win. Leddy has become a key member of that team. They had him for 3 years on his ELC and now he is on an affordable second contract. $2.7M. $150,000 more than DZ. The Hawks don't win because they sucked in 2006 and 2007. Smart and progressive. Leddy was a #1 in 2009. The Hawks acquired him less than 1 year later. Signed him out of college a few months later. Split his first season between the NHL and AHL. NHL regular ever since. The Rangers have a list of young players they like from every team. Where did McD come from? That list. Make that young guy the centerpiece of the DZ trade.
This would make sense. They have to have a list of young, big forwards who they like. Get them as a prospect and then add a NHL player to them. Tom Wilson from Washington? Charlie Coyle? Brett Connolly? Drew Shore? Quentin Howden? Nick Bjugstad?

There should be options.

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Tyler Myers is nowhere near worth that amount of assets, even if Buffalo agrees to swallow part of the money. You have two struggling former 1st rounders of similar production. MDZ is a bargain compared to Myers. Myers for MDZ straight up is slanted in Buffalo's favor if no money is coming back to the Rangers. Why even think of adding additional assets in that deal if you're the Rangers. Adding Miller would be highway robbery for Buffalo.
It's a hard player type to get.

Confidence is also A and O in this game. I think Myers is somewhat in the same situation as Phaneuf. Tor gave up several mid-tier assets to get Dion, and now it looks like a good deal. Not the best comparision, but still. MDZ is the best asset we give up, I don't worry all that much about those other assets if they ment that we could get a top 4 RD for less than 4m per for the coming 5 years.

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I like Franzen. Solid winger, big body that understands that and knows how to impose his size in the dirty area of the ice.

Absolutely NO WAY I give up that package of players WITH the wings eating the whole contract.

He's 33 today, going to be 34 this year. Has 6 years left on his deal AFTER this season.

He's already showing signs of slowing down and similar to Holmstrom who I loved as a player, takes a beating for his willingness to stand in those dirty areas.

Franzen is not a player I would target. The contract is the reason.

Had he 4 years left on his deal (including this one) I'd be more interested, but not at the package above. No freaking way
Well, I can ease your worrys because that contract wouldn't be our problem thanks to Burke. Any cap recapturing hits Detroit. And, he only make 1m per the last years. There is no way he would keep playing if we told him he would sit for a full year. I actually also think the NMC doesn't cover the last heart either, so we could force him to retire by demoting him to the ECHL.

It's also more or less idiot proof for Detroit. He player like Franzen is no medical wonder, when he is 38-39 he can go on LTIR no doubt. Something is always worn out for a player like him at that age.

Teams didn't really take a risk with those retirement contracts and neither would we. Franzen would be a very good player for us for 4-5 years. That isn't bad.

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I think you consider Tyler Myers as possibly a last option and try to make trades with the senators, wild or ducks first. He is such a great risk and expensive, we need to proceed with great caution.
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Certainly true. But right now Myers is a borderline 2nd pairing defender. If he doesn't find that high level again, his contract could cripple us pretty badly. I think he might just be one of those players who has fallen into a rut with what was a rudderless organization, but you never know.
I am half fooling around here. But, I posted about the retirement contracts long before they were used. Take my word for it, in the future teams will take these horrible signings and rejeavuinate them by eating a bit of salary and contenders will pay alot of assets to get a player with a big chunk of the contract eaten by another team. You basically buy a free-card for one roster spot. With the cap going up, and if you can find a good top 2 line forward or top 4 D (ie not a superstar, but just a solid player), that is tied up for like 5-6 years, for like 3m per, that would really help your planning and open up space to load a roster under a cap that during half that time period grows to 80m and probably could close in on 90m at the end of those 5-6 years.

Myers isn't Wade Redden II. I wouldn't say that he is Dion Phaneuf II, but its a darn lot closer to compare him to Phaneuf than Redden.

The kid was extremely hyped and the contract he signed was nuts, but the bubble was burst after he signed that contract that put a tremendous amount of expectations on him while Buffalo as a team fell apart and he had zero backing. Not because he is a horrible player. Had he been eased in instead of thrown into the fire, he could be on a cheap bridgecontract now and people would only talk about his upside. Myers isn't a full year older than Kreider, and big Ds take a long time to develop.

I definitely have an extremely hard time seing any risk in Myers if he gets a change of scenary and gets to play in a stable environment and for a good team, and away from the expectations on that contract. And along with the expectations of being a good top 4 D, not a franchise D like he was signed to become in Buffalo.

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I can't, which is why I prefaced my comment with my disdain for what I was about to write.
Tom Wilson from Washington can be that player, and I think he'll exceed those expectations as well. Brayden Schenn can fill that role as well right now.

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This would make sense. They have to have a list of young, big forwards who they like. Get them as a prospect and then add a NHL player to them. Tom Wilson from Washington? Charlie Coyle? Brett Connolly? Drew Shore? Quentin Howden? Nick Bjugstad?

There should be options.
Minnesota will want more than MDZ for Coyle. Is it reasonable? I dunno. Just going off what I have seen.

I don't know how Howden has progressed but IIRC hasn't Bjugstad been playing well?

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Tom Wilson from Washington can be that player, and I think he'll exceed those expectations as well. Brayden Schenn can fill that role as well right now.
He is going to be a good one.

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Minnesota will want more than MDZ for Coyle. Is it reasonable? I dunno. Just going off what I have seen.

I don't know how Howden has progressed but IIRC hasn't Bjugstad been playing well?
He has. Just throwing out names who I am sure are on their list.

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