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Game #23 | Thursday, November 21, 2013 | Hurricanes @ Red Wings | 7:30 PM, FSD

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11-21-2013, 11:31 AM
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The only thing that makes sense is that Babcock is looking for some scoring balance from 3 lines. Cleary - Helm- Abdelkader does nothing, so it's a useless line. But Tatar there makes it something. However, Cleary kills any line he's on, so I'm not advocating for him on any line, just trying to rationalize the decision.
Probably how he's looking at it (Babcock)

Hopefully when Weiss and Alfreddson come back Cleary is pushed to line 4

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11-21-2013, 11:34 AM
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It's hard to argue with this. I'm not really a fan of Bertuzzi with Datsyuk and Zetterberg but he's still better than Cleary or Abdelkader. I think Alfredsson is best suited with those two cause of his hockey sense and scoring touch.

I would have kept Tootoo over Cleary. I know he doesn't kill penalties but he sure brings way more energy. You could also have a 4th line of Abdelkader - Helm - Tootoo (speed and physicality) and then have a 3rd line of Tatar - Andersson - Nyquist.

Holland and Babcock have lost their minds and I hope they get their wits back before it's too late.

I don't think Bert has any value playing apart from Datsyuk/Zetterberg, though. He's good at being a net front guy, and he's done pretty well on the top line. It's a solid fit.

Franzen - Zetterberg - Nyquist is instantly, by far, the best second line we've put out so far this season. Mostly due to Zetterberg centering it, but still... I'm excited for Gus. Really like the Abby, Helm, Tatar line, too. Datsyuk with Bert and Cleary is ugly and the fourth line is going to stink (I really don't like Sammy in a bottom six role - I'd rather swap him with Cleary in this scenario which is still far from ideal).

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11-21-2013, 11:35 AM
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It's hard to argue with this. I'm not really a fan of Bertuzzi with Datsyuk and Zetterberg but he's still better than Cleary or Abdelkader. I think Alfredsson is best suited with those two cause of his hockey sense and scoring touch.

I would have kept Tootoo over Cleary. I know he doesn't kill penalties but he sure brings way more energy. You could also have a 4th line of Abdelkader - Helm - Tootoo (speed and physicality) and then have a 3rd line of Tatar - Andersson - Nyquist.

Holland and Babcock have lost their minds and I hope they get their wits back before it's too late.
The one thing tootoo brings is opposing players know they're going to get hit when he's out there. Keeps people on edge and he has realgud speed.

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11-21-2013, 11:38 AM
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The one thing tootoo brings is opposing players know they're going to get hit when he's out there. Keeps people on edge and he has realgud speed.
Yup. How much better does this look?

Mule-Z-Nyquist
Bert-Dats-Tatar
Gator-Helm-Tootoo
Miller-Andersson-Sammy/Cleary

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11-21-2013, 11:39 AM
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The one thing tootoo brings is opposing players know they're going to get hit when he's out there. Keeps people on edge and he has realgud speed.
tootoo is an NHL player because he is the exact style of player successful tams employ on their fourth line

cleary is garbage because he isnt the right fit for a 4th line and he sint a scoring forward with skill or speed or brians

its too bad we keep trying to force a square peg thru a round hole

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11-21-2013, 11:43 AM
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wth do alfie and weiss come back anyways?

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11-21-2013, 11:43 AM
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I would go with

Tatar - Datsyuk - Franzen
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Bertuzzi
Tootoo - Helm -Abdelkader
Miller - Glendening - Samuelsson

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11-21-2013, 11:45 AM
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I understand the lineup, probably close to the most balanced we can be without Weiss and Alfie. Also can we hope that Cleary on the 1st line with Dats is sort of a last chance for him? If he fails there as well he will have been useless on all lines with everyone and should be waived/traded to keep Nyq in the lineup.

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11-21-2013, 11:51 AM
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Z - D - Bert
Nyquist - Weiss - Alfie
Franzen - Helm - Tatar
Miller - Abby - Andersson (whoever really)

long term ideal lineup at this point imo...

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11-21-2013, 11:54 AM
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What has Cleary done to be promoted to the first line? FML.
It's more like, what has Datsyuk done to get demoted.

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wth do alfie and weiss come back anyways?
I read Weiss will be good for saturdays game but havent hear much about alfie

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11-21-2013, 12:01 PM
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Cleary was a healthy scratch a couple games ago comes back and does nothing and then last game takes a bad penalty at a bad time, better move him to the 1st line

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11-21-2013, 12:08 PM
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Cleary was a healthy scratch a couple games ago comes back and does nothing and then last game takes a bad penalty at a bad time, better move him to the 1st line
Babcock-Logic

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“Well, his job, and no different tonight if I were him, he’s still allowed to go back to the minors, is be so good, tonight you put so much pressure on the coach and the manger that they have to do something about it,” Babcock said. “That’s what he’s done. That’s the only thing you can do as a player. The best players in the end get to play, they decide who gets to play because they play well enough to make it happen and he’s done a good job.”
FIRE THIS MAN. Promote Blashill. Save the season.


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11-21-2013, 12:32 PM
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NYQ AND TATS SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMOGMOMGOMGOMG

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11-21-2013, 12:36 PM
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I read Weiss will be good for saturdays game but havent hear much about alfie
Holland said in the interview the other day it looked like Alf would be out another week. Sadly that'd mean he'd miss his Ottawa homecoming.

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11-21-2013, 12:37 PM
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NYQ AND TATS SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMOGMOMGOMGOMG
I'm pretty sure Ted Lindsay would be a better linemate than Dan Cleary with those two.

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11-21-2013, 12:39 PM
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When everyone is healthy, I would try

Nyquist - Z - Franzen
Bert - Datsyuk - Abs/Miller/Alfredsson
Tatar - Weiss - Abs/Miller/Alfredsson
whoever- Helm - Abs/Miller

3 balanced lines.

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Datsyuk's job tonight is to shut down Erik Staal. Doesn't matter who his wingers are. Shut Staal down, you shut the hurricanes down.

Mule-Z-Nyquist will score us for a win.

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11-21-2013, 12:47 PM
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Wings 9-1

Nyquist with the Ovechtrick

Cleary scores what can only be described as an own goal to give the Canes their only goal of the game.

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How sweet would a Nyquist Hat trick be? And maybe a goal or 2 from Tats

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11-21-2013, 12:54 PM
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Lines are updated in the OP. Let's go Red Wings!

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11-21-2013, 12:55 PM
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Babcock-Logic

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FIRE THIS MAN. Promote Blashill. Save the season.
Yeah that doesn't apply extra pressure, because it is Gus I am not all that worried, but I think that is a silly statement by Babcock.

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11-21-2013, 01:01 PM
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When everyone is healthy, I would try

Nyquist - Z - Franzen
Bert - Datsyuk - Abs/Miller/Alfredsson
Tatar - Weiss - Abs/Miller/Alfredsson
whoever- Helm - Abs/Miller

3 balanced lines.
Meh Miller is useless...having Abs or Miller on a top 3 line is a terrible idea.

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