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NHL rejects AHL conditioning assignment of Buffalo's Grigorenko

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11-20-2013, 08:05 PM
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Or, Buffalo can trade one of their own. I mean, the writing has to be on the wall for some of these guys, and LaFontaine can't force the Remparts to trade their players in a timely fashion.
WT----- Buffalo doesnt need to trade one of their own.....

What writing on what wall????

The issue isnt a thing of roster squeezing the issue is the new coach doesnt like having so many rookies on the team.

Risto came over from europe and in his contract he can go to the AHL.

Zadorov is also a CHL import so he goes back to London.

Grigs would go back to the Remparts in the Q. The problem is the Remparts have their 2 imports taken up on their roster.

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11-20-2013, 09:17 PM
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What writing on what wall????
Surely the Sabres are planning to experience some roster turnover in the near future. They just traded Vanek and cleaned house in hockey ops. I would hope there isn't job security for any veteran on the roster right now.

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The issue isnt a thing of roster squeezing the issue is the new coach doesnt like having so many rookies on the team.
Again, I'm just saying it's another option if the Remparts don't cooperate. They could always clear a spot and just keep the guy up, if it comes to that.

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11-20-2013, 09:33 PM
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With the 9 game limit there is also a day count on the roster that affects burning the entry year. This is what happened last year with Grigs. It also happened to NJ draft pick Matteau.
There is no day count limit.

Both Grigorenko and Matteau burned their ELS deals when they played in their 6th game last year - the 10 game limit was reduced to 6 last season due to the shortened schedule.

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11-20-2013, 09:48 PM
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And excepting emergency recalls, once a 18-19 year old player is assigned to CHL from NHL, he cannot return until his team's end of season in the CHL.

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Risto has past 9 games....He likely gets called back up later in the year.

Fans thought risto played perfectly fine. I expected him to get sent down in part because Buffalo's affiliate in Rochester in playing in the Spengler Cup in December so they want to send the best team there.


Grigorenko burn his first year of his ELC so you cant slide the second year...


....but...

In order to reach UFA status you need to get an accrued season. Grigorenko last year did not play enough to burn the first year of UFA status so his UFA start time slide one season. If they send him to JRs again his UFA time slides another year.

Zadorov only played 7 games.

With the 9 game limit there is also a day count on the roster that affects burning the entry year. This is what happened last year with Grigs. It also happened to NJ draft pick Matteau.

I think part of the reason Zadorov was sent down now was also because he reached that day count To start the year he was on IR because of a hand so that time did not count. Its only time on the 23 man that counts.




That is debateable...if he hasnt played much and had a minor injury i dont see much of a problem with it. Grigs is still counted against the 23 man roster and is still payed his NHL salary so there wasnt any cap diversion made.

If they had Grigs on the IR there wouldnt be an issue then--right?



I believe exceptions should be made for 1st round picks. the NHL team decides if they should go to the AHL or back to the CHL.

the problem is Grigs is ready to move on to the next step but CHL to NHL is a big step so he really should be able to play in the AHL.

I would like it if there was a way for the NHL team to buy him out of a CHL contract.

I would be fine with players 1 yr after them drafting of being able to move on to the pro club or AHL affiliate.

A middle ground would be 1st round selections can immediately go to the AHL while 2nd and 3rd round picks wait until their 19.

I also think CHL should lose their rights for import players when drafted by the NHL.

This is part of the problem that is happeneingg now with Grigs. He cant go back to the Q because the Ramparts already have their 2 import slots filled. Its possible all CHL import slots are filled....thus Grigs should be able to just go to the aHL.

Buffalo could easily loan him to a european league team.




The issue isnt the Sabres---its on the Remparts in the Q---they already have their 2 import slots filled with players so they cant take back Grigs so they must trade him to another team who has an import slot to fill.
That is a problem because he is russian and wont play in Sweden/Switzerland or so. His rights for KHL belongs to CSKA Moscow. I am not sure if he is KHL-ready, but if he is, CSKA needs solid players (many injuries etc). I can imagine "Filatov case". If I know, he has to sign with CSKA until 30.4.2015 (KHL draft rules).

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11-21-2013, 02:07 AM
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Maybe he could "retire",
and go play in the K ?

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Something else to note regarding Grigorenko is that this year QMJHL rules (and I think CHL rules on the whole) have changed and you're no longer allowed to trade first year Europeans. Herzog would be #3 on Quebec's depth chart behind Grigorenko and Nick Sorensen (but is still a very good player) and they would have to just release him. I don't think any other CHL team would be able to pick him up. The Remps can only deal Grigorenko or Sorensen.

We all understand why the "underagers can't play in the AHL rule" is in place and see where it fails, in situations like this. Usually it's not problematic but Grigorenko wouldn't really benefit from junior this year (just like Hubredeau didn't last year). I don't think you can have a free for all where EVERYONE is elligible for the AHL (I'd bet a LOT of players would get ruined) but allowing first rounders to make that jump seems to make sense. Of course the NHL would have to compensate the CHL for allowing that to happen.

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Three Import Loophole

From the Q thread on the Grigorenko issue:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1541475

Post #7 is telling since there is a loophole that allows teams to play three imports. Issue is working the rules to get beyond the deadline if the junior teams wants to take this route or working with the NHL team to the last trade deadline to optimize the return for trade eligible European imports.

Timing is very poor for the Quebec Remparts since the Grigorenko issue arose deep into the present trade period, the team will lose the player to the WJC. A trade at the January trade deadline would bring the optimal return.

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Classless move by the Sabres organization.

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And excepting emergency recalls, once a 18-19 year old player is assigned to CHL from NHL, he cannot return until his team's end of season in the CHL.
Has he technically been assigned already (ie, paperwork cleared and he's simply ineligible to play) or was the assignment rejected?

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Seems like there wouldn't be a problem if the archaic and baseless "import limit" didn't exist in the CHL.

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Seems like there wouldn't be a problem if the archaic and baseless "import limit" didn't exist in the CHL.
Ah, but they already have eliminated the use of "import goalies" in the CHL going forward.




http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...res-vs-flyers/

Grigorenko in the NHL line up after he couldn't play in AHL.

Guessing, that NHL Buffalo have informed QMJHL Remparts they need to negotiate a trade or something so they can return him to CHL.

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11-21-2013, 02:49 PM
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No. One of the three imports meant on the Quebec Remparts roster.

Based on a quick google it appears that the current 2 Rempart's imports are Fabrice Herzog (Leafs pick 142nd overall in 2013) and Nick Sorensen (Ducks pick 45th overall in 2013).

The Remparts cannot have more than 2 non-North American players on their roster. Thus one of Herzog, Sorensen or Grigorenko must be traded by the Remparts before Gegorenko is allowed to be sent back to the Q
Just to be a bit more precise... they can carry more than 2 non-North Americans on their roster, but they can't dress more than 2 in the same game. Last year for a short time early in the season the Remparts were rotating 3 Europeans (Grigorenko, Sorensen and Kucherov) where 1 would sit out each game until they traded Kucherov.

Of course, that isn't a good situation, especially for young players who need to get ice time to develop.

The NHL was right to stop the assignment to the AHL though. It was obviously not a conditioning assignment.

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