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11-22-2013, 08:38 AM
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Skate Problem

I have a pair of Reebok 12K's. At the beginning of the season, I switched out the original laces for wax.

Is it normal for wax laces to change the fit of the skate? I'm debating taking them in for a second bake (1st bake came last Fall when I bought them... I'm also about 40 lbs lighter if that makes a difference).

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11-22-2013, 08:40 AM
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No wax laces should feel pretty much the exact same as regular laces other than the fact that they're wax

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lol

I don't get the problem?

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I have a pair of Reebok 12K's. At the beginning of the season, I switched out the original laces for wax.

Is it normal for wax laces to change the fit of the skate? I'm debating taking them in for a second bake (1st bake came last Fall when I bought them... I'm also about 40 lbs lighter if that makes a difference).
One different that waxed laces will do is they will help to keep your skates tighter. When you have normal laces and you pull out to tighten the skate they will loosen a bit when you switch to tighten higher up in the skate. Waxed laces because of their texture have a tendency to bite a little bit more because of the wax.

That would be the only thing that I can think of that might change the fit or feel you are talking about.

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Have you tried putting in the old laces and seeing if that changes the fit back? Wax laces shouldn't do anything permanent to them. They might make them seem a bit tighter because of what Coachtdoig suggests.

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I don't get the problem?
Problem is my freaking feet hurt! Just wondering if it was me or if it's something anyone else experienced.

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One different that waxed laces will do is they will help to keep your skates tighter. When you have normal laces and you pull out to tighten the skate they will loosen a bit when you switch to tighten higher up in the skate. Waxed laces because of their texture have a tendency to bite a little bit more because of the wax.

That would be the only thing that I can think of that might change the fit or feel you are talking about.

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Thanks. I know this is probably a nit-picky detail for some, but foot pain/soreness sucks.

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Have you tried putting in the old laces and seeing if that changes the fit back? Wax laces shouldn't do anything permanent to them. They might make them seem a bit tighter because of what Coachtdoig suggests.
Old laces have been gone for some time--they were probably one or two tie-ups from being snapped.

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They hurt...ok.

Where? What type of pain?

Maybe you need to be more descriptive.

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I just switched to wax laces for the first time on one of my skates. You can't tighten them as hard. With regular laces, you'll pull hard because you know the lace will slip back a bit when you move to the next loop. With wax laces, they won't budge so don't pull as hard. I use significantly less force with the skate with wax laces.

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I have the same issue (didn't until last skate) and used to have it waaaay back in the past.

It might be that the laces just tighten the bottom eyelets a bit too much causing distress. Waxed laces just hold their tension much more in place.

Switch back to normal laces and see if that helps. If you don't tighten your skate like crazy all the way, you may not even need waxed laces. I actually find them a bit annoying.

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They hurt...ok.

Where? What type of pain?

Maybe you need to be more descriptive.
Sorry--I should say, just the left foot. Mainly the outside edge (maybe 0.5" in) but I've felt some swelling in an area on the top of the foot, about two inches from my ankle.

I suppose I have not been detailed because I am not necessarily looking for a diagnosis. The pain gets better with rest and ice.

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Sorry--I should say, just the left foot. Mainly the outside edge (maybe 0.5" in) but I've felt some swelling in an area on the top of the foot, about two inches from my ankle.

I suppose I have not been detailed because I am not necessarily looking for a diagnosis. The pain gets better with rest and ice.
It is pretty normal to have pain in your feet when breaking in new skates but if the skates were fine before you switched the laces then that can be the only diagnosis. I would like others have said, change back to the laces you were using before and everything should be fine. If that does not work you may have something in that foot that may need to be looked at.

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I have a pair of Reebok 12K's. At the beginning of the season, I switched out the original laces for wax.

Is it normal for wax laces to change the fit of the skate? I'm debating taking them in for a second bake (1st bake came last Fall when I bought them... I'm also about 40 lbs lighter if that makes a difference).
Likely made a difference.

Less weight = your feet won't be as thick.

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Likely made a difference.

Less weight = your feet won't be as thick.
Any age limit for rebaking skates? My Graf 709s are 5 years old and I've lost 30-40 pounds since buying them.

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Any age limit for rebaking skates? My Graf 709s are 5 years old and I've lost 30-40 pounds since buying them.
No idea.

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It very well could be just pains from breaking in skates. Also, I'm thinking if they worked before adding wax laces then maybe the wax laces don't loosen up like non-waxed so you never get the laces to loosen up into a tightness you like. Try not tying it so tight around the area that's effected. The first few eyelets starting at the toes don't need to be super tight. Try tying the lower portion so they're barely tight and see how that goes.

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It very well could be just pains from breaking in skates. Also, I'm thinking if they worked before adding wax laces then maybe the wax laces don't loosen up like non-waxed so you never get the laces to loosen up into a tightness you like. Try not tying it so tight around the area that's effected. The first few eyelets starting at the toes don't need to be super tight. Try tying the lower portion so they're barely tight and see how that goes.
This is exactly what I did last night. Tried to be more intentional about it, feeling for where the pain actually was. Let those eyelets breathe a little, tied the rest up as tight as possible. Felt significantly better. I might still try for another bake, but at least that helped.

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This is exactly what I did last night. Tried to be more intentional about it, feeling for where the pain actually was. Let those eyelets breathe a little, tied the rest up as tight as possible. Felt significantly better. I might still try for another bake, but at least that helped.
Good to hear TLow!

Another bake wouldn't hurt, try not to bake your skates more then 2-3 times though as it will start to break them down faster. Make sure when you do bake them that you tie them up as tight as you can get them, that will help them mold to your feet better.

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Good to hear TLow!

Another bake wouldn't hurt, try not to bake your skates more then 2-3 times though as it will start to break them down faster. Make sure when you do bake them that you tie them up as tight as you can get them, that will help them mold to your feet better.

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Not necessarily, if you lace them really tight, it could squeeze your foot enough to tender the skate a little narrower than you would like. Best way would be to just lace them normally.

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Not necessarily, if you lace them really tight, it could squeeze your foot enough to tender the skate a little narrower than you would like. Best way would be to just lace them normally.
I should have made myself a little bit more clear, sorry. Don't tie them to the point that your toes are overlapping each other, which I thought was obvious .
A good way to do it is to put the skates on after baking them, stand up and tie them up as tight as you can while standing, you will obviously have to bend over to tie them up .

This way you will be in an athletic position with all of your weight pushed into your boot and your feet will be in a very similar position as when you are on the ice. This will help the boot mold to your feet in the position they are while you skate, with the pressure of your body through your feet.

I have baked and molded about 15-20 pairs of skates over the past 8-10 years and this method has never let me down.

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No!!!

Do NOT stand up and tie them after the bake!

Everything is still hot and you run the risk of warping the boot and holder!

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Wax laces will definitely hold the skate tighter. When you are using old cloth laces, there's a little bit of slippage while lacing them up. The wax doesn't slip as much, so they hold tighter.

If you lace them up tight at first, your feet will settle and swell a bit in warmups and you might get some pain. Solutions would be either loosening them up afterwards or what I do is just do them up on the looser side and tighten if need be.

For whatever reason, I find if my skates are too tight and I try to loosen them, I still have a bit of pain and cramping unless I take the skates and stretch and let them recover. But if the skates are a little loose, I can tighten them up no problem.

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This way you will be in an athletic position with all of your weight pushed into your boot and your feet will be in a very similar position as when you are on the ice. This will help the boot mold to your feet in the position they are while you skate, with the pressure of your body through your feet.
A safer way would to be to sit in a chair and plant your feet so your heels are lined up with your backside, not your thighs. Lean forward a little to put some pressure on them. Your feet and ankles will still be in the hockey stance without stressing them too much. When they're nice and hot they are somewhat fragile. You don't want to be exerting that much force on them.

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No!!!

Do NOT stand up and tie them after the bake!

Everything is still hot and you run the risk of warping the boot and holder!
I slightly disagree.

Standing up is fine while you tie your skates to get them to mold to your feet in that position, then sit down after they are laced up. You aren't going to warp your skates or your boot or the holders standing for 15 seconds - again I've played 5 years of Jr hockey and 4 years Professionally so I have broke in a few pairs of skates.

I didn't say stand up and walk around in them, I said stand up while you tie them. The shape of your foot is going to change when you put all of your weight while standing as opposed to sitting. We don't skate on 50% of our body weight, so don't mold your skates to your feet with 50% of your body weight - simple as that.

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I slightly disagree.

Standing up is fine while you tie your skates to get them to mold to your feet in that position, then sit down after they are laced up. You aren't going to warp your skates or your boot or the holders standing for 15 seconds - again I've played 5 years of Jr hockey and 4 years Professionally so I have broke in a few pairs of skates.

I didn't say stand up and walk around in them, I said stand up while you tie them. The shape of your foot is going to change when you put all of your weight while standing as opposed to sitting. We don't skate on 50% of our body weight, so don't mold your skates to your feet with 50% of your body weight - simple as that.

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While I appreciate that, it has no bearing or weight in our discussion, yet you keep wanting to bring that up. You say that you've worked with about 15-20 pairs of skates over the past decade too? Well, skates have come a long way since then. On an average month in hockey season, I fit as many pairs of skates on as many different types of people as you have in the past decade, so let me draw upon that to provide some insight...

-High end skates react differently to heat than lower end models. You have composite boots and special foams now that react differently and more seriously to heat; the degree of which even varies between brands and types of construction.

-Lower end skates are built with softer outsoles and materials in general; and are thus more susceptible shocks.

-Heavier people putting their weight on hot skates are much more likely to warp and cut down on their integrity (even if you can't see it from the outside) than lighter people are; for obvious reasons.

-If you have a fitter hand-mold the skates, such as by squeezing out the sidewalls, compressing the ankles etc. you should have no problems with fit provided that the skate fits well in the first place.

-Higher end skates should be remoulded due to the difficulty of breaking them in and their stiffness; getting an initial bake, by now, is not only pretty much mandatory, but only a first step in breaking them in.

-Skates can be stretched and punched for more permanent fixes on width and pressure problems

Ultimately, while your logic in molding skates while standing is understandable, it should not ever be recommended to the general population because of the risk and the disparity between skates and between skaters, and the fact that you can accomplish the same thing with less riskier methods.

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Just to give OP a glimmer of hope: I just switched back to regular laces and any pain ceased 100%. Skates feel great again like they used to.

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