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[DAL/CGY] Lane MacDermid to the Flames for a 2014 6th round pick

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11-22-2013, 01:14 PM
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Wow, a Vancouver fan defending a Calgary trade. How far has Calgary fallen?

But seriously, this was it.



1 inch taller, 20 pounds lighter, 8 years younger and much cheaper than Jackman.

8 years younger, 20 pounds lighter, 1 inch taller Jackman who is paid less and probably plays defence a little better as well. He's been assigned to the farm team for now.
Burke is slowly building towards his vision of success with Calgary as he did with Toronto - a team that will be difficult to play against in all facets.
Yep, just another building block. Young and tough, if he can some day be an everyday 4th liner, it's a small price to pay. Definitely has Burke's stamp all over it, I like it.

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11-22-2013, 01:16 PM
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I can't help feel like Calgary is making a few really good moves. Might not seem like much but in the end they're gonna have a solid lineup.

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11-22-2013, 01:17 PM
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So.. Why didn't they grab him from waivers two days ago? Calgary, what?
So he can be sent down

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11-22-2013, 01:47 PM
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someone please explain why the Flames trade picks for guys on waivers?
MacDemrit and Russell

edit ohhhh wait so they can send to minors. Still stupid

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11-22-2013, 01:50 PM
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Yep, just another building block. Young and tough, if he can some day be an everyday 4th liner, it's a small price to pay. Definitely has Burke's stamp all over it, I like it.
I think he could be an everyday 4th liner right now. That's not saying a ton but he's not a bad player at all. No Stars fan is going to weep over losing him or anything, but he won't look horribly out of place at the NHL.

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11-22-2013, 02:01 PM
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MacDermid is a good guy. I was sad when we gave him up in the Jagr deal and wanted us to pick him up on waivers, although that was a bit unrealistic. He had a couple of real good fights and played some good hockey, and he's very young.

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11-22-2013, 02:06 PM
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I think he could be an everyday 4th liner right now. That's not saying a ton but he's not a bad player at all. No Stars fan is going to weep over losing him or anything, but he won't look horribly out of place at the NHL.
Looks like he'll never be a heavy weight but tenacious forechecker, hard hitting and a mean streak. Sounds like the kind of guy every player hates to play against. Fair assessment?

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11-22-2013, 02:14 PM
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Feaster explained trading for Russell as they didn't want to go to arbitration. And they wanted MacDermid because he had cleared waivers to go to the AHL. Seems like they wanted a backup in case McGrattan goes down but want to give someone (looks like Jones) a shot from the Heat.
I'm not a huge fan of Feaster and think he usually doesn't get the best value in his trades even if he gets what he is looking for (MacDermid as an example isn't worth a 4th imo read it wrong. they gave up a 6th), but he knows his way around the system.

They look like sloppy moves, and people jump on him, but I'm starting to think he doesn't get as much credit for the small things as he deserves.


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Trading for somoene they could've had for free? A Feaster special!
Fester is an idiot, but this allows them to send McDermid to the AHL without potentially losing him.

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11-22-2013, 02:19 PM
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someone please explain why the Flames trade picks for guys on waivers?
MacDemrit and Russell

edit ohhhh wait so they can send to minors. Still stupid
with Russell they wanted to avoid arbitration... Honestly i would do that russell trade 10/10 hes been solid for us this year and ATM hes worth more than what we trade him for

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11-22-2013, 02:21 PM
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So that Jackman deal really was a precursor to a blockbuster.

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11-22-2013, 02:33 PM
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Oh noez the Flames are terrible because they traded for a guy on waivers! Oh noez!

Seriously, is hating on the Flames just second nature now? I'm sure Burke and Feaster know what they're doing more than a bunch of armchair posters on this board.
It's just funny to me how little some people on these boards know how about the way things actually work. Like some scrub with a username knows better then feaster and Burke. Sad

Like the two moves. Solid asset management

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11-22-2013, 02:33 PM
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This guy's name always make me think of saying Lanny Macdonald in that emrgeeerd voice.

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11-22-2013, 03:09 PM
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Oh noez the Flames are terrible because they traded for a guy on waivers! Oh noez!
It's odd. No one else has really traded for a guy who cleared waivers (Not counting Jokinen, as that one involved salary being retained) in the few months, but the Flames have done it twice.

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Seriously, is hating on the Flames just second nature now?
Not really, but you can understand the confusion in giving up an asset for a player who could have been had for free. Even after the explanation (That the Flames wanted the ability to move him freely from NHL to AHL without waivers), Flames are a rebuilding team and giving up picks (the currency of rebuilding teams) for a guy they could've had for free. Never mind that trading for a guy so that you can assign him to the AHL, doesn't sound like it's someone they have a lot of faith in.

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I'm sure Burke and Feaster know what they're doing more than a bunch of armchair posters on this board.
You're holding up Feaster as someone who "knows what he's doing" after he made an offer sheet on a guy who would have had to clear waivers to make the team?! Or Feaster the guy who traded Jarome Iginla to two different teams after not informing the first one that he would give Iginla the opportunity to choose where he wanted to go and telling them the deal was done?! I understand being defensive, but Feaster's recent track record has a few more question marks than most GMs, posters have every right to question him for the next little while.

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Flames gotta stop with this big deals lol. BOOM!

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I'm not a huge fan of Feaster and think he usually doesn't get the best value in his trades even if he gets what he is looking for (MacDermid as an example isn't worth a 4th imo read it wrong. they gave up a 6th), but he knows his way around the system.

They look like sloppy moves, and people jump on him, but I'm starting to think he doesn't get as much credit for the small things as he deserves.
I would agree he is weak at getting good value but this move makes a lot of sense. We wanted to free up Jackman's spot but thought he would get claimed so we trade him and get his replacement (for essentially just Jackman) who can go the AHL. People just tend to be negative towards any move.

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You're holding up Feaster as someone who "knows what he's doing" after he made an offer sheet on a guy who would have had to clear waivers to make the team?! Or Feaster the guy who traded Jarome Iginla to two different teams after not informing the first one that he would give Iginla the opportunity to choose where he wanted to go and telling them the deal was done?! I understand being defensive, but Feaster's recent track record has a few more question marks than most GMs, posters have every right to question him for the next little while.
Please, I would never be so naive. Notice I mentioned Burke and Feaster as the same subject in my sentence.


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11-22-2013, 04:28 PM
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You're holding up Feaster as someone who "knows what he's doing" after he made an offer sheet on a guy who would have had to clear waivers to make the team?! Or Feaster the guy who traded Jarome Iginla to two different teams after not informing the first one that he would give Iginla the opportunity to choose where he wanted to go and telling them the deal was done?! I understand being defensive, but Feaster's recent track record has a few more question marks than most GMs, posters have every right to question him for the next little while.
Regarding the O'Reilly offer sheet, some sports law guy blogged about the fiasco a few days after the fact that the CBA favoured the Flames' interpretation of it rather than the interpretation of the third parties who lambasted the deal.

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Calgary wants freedom to assign him to minors and call up when needed. Can't do that with waiver claims.


That explains that.
Explains Feasters thinking, but if he just cleared waivers a few days ago with no troubles it doesn't seem necessary to do things that way.

6th round pick vs a little extra security… For a rebuilding team I stick with the pick even if it's a late one.

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You're holding up Feaster as someone who "knows what he's doing" after he made an offer sheet on a guy who would have had to clear waivers to make the team?! Or Feaster the guy who traded Jarome Iginla to two different teams after not informing the first one that he would give Iginla the opportunity to choose where he wanted to go and telling them the deal was done?! I understand being defensive, but Feaster's recent track record has a few more question marks than most GMs, posters have every right to question him for the next little while.
Feaster is just using the CBA to his advantage. He's actually being kind of smart. He traded for Russell to avoid Salary Arb., and he wanted to make room on the main club and though Jackman was expendable. He didn't want to sacrifice club depth though and knew sending Jackman to the AHL would put him at high risk claimed. Not wanting to lose their depth and not wanting to lose Jackman for nothing he traded. He then flipped and traded for a younger tough guy who had the ability to go down to the minors and keep that organizational depth.

Pretty good to me.

As for the ROR, he messed up. Simply put.
However this was right after a brand new CBA was put into effect and no fans or media knew ROR would have to be exposed to waivers for a couple of days after - I'm even pretty sure another GM came out and publicly said it was confusing, and he wasn't sure either. Feaster just took the risk.

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someone please explain why the Flames trade picks for guys on waivers?
MacDemrit and Russell

edit ohhhh wait so they can send to minors. Still stupid
Why? Do you honestly think that kind of freedom isn't worth something, or do you just like to dump on the Flames?

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Trading for somoene they could've had for free? A Feaster special!
that means there was probably some loop whole were he could have lost him then

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Nothing wrong with adding some toughness. Solid depth move.

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Basically Jackman for Macdermid. Works for me

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Probably didn't want to give away our waiver position.
There's no such thing.

A team might have first dibs at a waived player numerous times in a row.

All they have to do is to be last in the standings.

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