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Hurricanes have made Ruutu & Tlusty available - Flames have made Backlund available

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11-22-2013, 05:54 PM
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I'd imagine it'd take a little more than Rundblad alone. Maybe Rundblad + Lessio + 3rd. I wouldn't hate paying that for him and Carolina gets some real nice pieces in return. It's a futures move but one where I can't imagine Lessio or Rundblad not being full time NHL players next year, or even possibly this year for Carolina.
Tlusty is about to enter his prime and his style of play is a good fit for the Yotes, so yeah...that would be the max I'd go. But I'd probably see if we can swing it with Rundblad + Rieder + a pick first before having to part with Lessio.

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11-22-2013, 05:55 PM
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The Pens seem like a team that would be interested in Tlusty, although I can't imagine the Canes would take anything close to a lowball offer after getting screwed with the Jokinen deal.
How exactly did the Canes "get screwed" with the Jokinen deal. Jokinen was terrible in Carolina and they tried to give him away for free as he passed through waivers and nobody took him. Now, playing with some of the premier players in the world, he's on a whopping 45 point, -18 pace (on a team that is a combined +32). If it wasn't for his hat trick against his old team, his numbers would be even worse. Imagine how bad his production would be if he was on the Canes right now.

Having to keep a bit of his salary to be rid of him is in no way "getting screwed".

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But you're not trading for the Tlusty from two years ago, you're trading for the Tlusty as he is right now.





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But how do you know that Tlusty's year last year wasn't a fluke?

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11-22-2013, 05:56 PM
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Also, consensus on the Pens board that Ruutu at 50% ($2.375 million) for Niskanen ($2.3 million) is something that they could get around. Why are people so low on him?
He has been absolutely horrid since his last long-ish injury. Granted, I was also totally down on acquiring Jokinen and that worked out well, so maybe Rutuu too could find a second wind with a more offensive team, but it is a big risk to take with two more years on his contract. Even if the Canes would be willing to retain the max on it. And them hypothetically being willing to pretty much tells a story about what other offers they got. Niskanen can always either return a pick at the deadline or stay as an above-average depth guy who comes off the books in the summer. You may be stuck with Rutuu for a long time.

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11-22-2013, 05:59 PM
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I'd imagine it'd take a little more than Rundblad alone. Maybe Rundblad + Lessio + 3rd. I wouldn't hate paying that for him and Carolina gets some real nice pieces in return. It's a futures move but one where I can't imagine Lessio or Rundblad not being full time NHL players next year, or even possibly this year for Carolina.
If JR has any kind of brain right now he's thinking Gormley or Stone for Tlusty if he's talking to the Yotes, and not a quality for quantity trade which is exactly what Rundblad + Lessio + 3rd is.

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11-22-2013, 06:00 PM
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Pass on Rundblad, no offense to the guy but he hasn't seemed to put it together yet to even be a viable NHLer. Tlusty's been having a down season but he's still easily the better of the two players in that trade.
Defensemen take a while to develop. Not everyone can be a presumptive Norris candidate like OEL at 22.

Rundblad has had his development struggles, sure, but his defensive play and decision making have significantly improved during his time in Phoenix, and his offensive ceiling is still intact. And after a forgettable start to this season with limited time, he's been getting time recently due to injuries to Morris, Klesla, Schlemko, and Michalek, and has actually been playing pretty solid over the past few games.

He will have to be sheltered a bit, but put him with a decent stay at home type and there's no reason that Rundblad can't be a good top 4 PMD in this league.

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11-22-2013, 06:01 PM
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He has been absolutely horrid since his last long-ish injury. Granted, I was also totally down on acquiring Jokinen and that worked out well, so maybe Rutuu too could find a second wind with a more offensive team, but it is a big risk to take with two more years on his contract. Even if the Canes would be willing to retain the max on it. And them hypothetically being willing to pretty much tells a story about what other offers they got. Niskanen can always either return a pick at the deadline or stay as an above-average depth guy who comes off the books in the summer. You may be stuck with Rutuu for a long time.
We would be willing to retain the max?

Source? Did dreger say that? I doubt we would pay much or anything unless we had to. We aren't that kind of team. I know it happened with jokinen but I doubt that's more than a one time thing. We're a team that sticks to its budget, no room to pay people not playing. I was shocked jr did it with jokinen.

To second Dave, I'd love to see them make this gormley. Tlusty, that is.

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And what kind of sense does this make?

Tlusty is moving, and maybe Ruutu with him. Stop asking about players like Sekera and Murphy. They want MORE players like them, not fewer.
no i mean why do they need to trade for a mpd

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I bet the Leafs get in on Backlund
I disagree. I don't think he's knocking Bozak, McClement, Kadri or Bolland off the depth chart. Leafs already have Holland as their prospect reclamation project and don't need Backlund at $1.5m

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If JR has any kind of brain right now he's thinking Gormley or Stone for Tlusty if he's talking to the Yotes, and not a quality for quantity trade which is exactly what Rundblad + Lessio + 3rd is.
Rundblad still has Top 4 upside and Lessio is a speedy power forward prospect with top 6 upside. Yotes would certainly not be giving up a bag of crap for Tlusty.

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no i mean why do they need to trade for a mpd
Because Murphy is a 20yo rookie, in his first NHL season, who is still learning the ropes. He's doing fine within the constraint, but he has a long way to go to be counted on as a top puck moving defenseman.

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But the thing is you're asking for a guy that has rounded into a pretty good two-way forward, capable of being a glue guy on an offensive line as seen last season, and still has at least one more year of RFA contract control at 25; and in exchange offering up a guy that we already have a younger and much better version of named Ryan Murphy in David Rundblad, and adding in Lessio and a <25% chance of an NHL regular as kickers to the deal.

I don't dislike Lessio as a prospect at all, but he's not what we need since I don't see the top 6 upside you do, and there's nothing about that trade that says "worth it" from a Canes standpoint. Rundblad isn't expected to round out his game to be capable of holding down a top 4 slot of his own accord at this point like he once was, and with Murphy we'd be projecting Rundblad to have to be a protected #6/pp specialist heading forward, not a protected #4/pp specialist. Just not worth it for the Canes for a guy that's shown he can fit in the top 6 forwards.

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11-22-2013, 06:12 PM
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Tlusty for Brunner

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Bring another Ruutu to Van!
We don't need a Booth 2.0.

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This is not what Dreger said at all for Backlund

He said that Backlund is no longer a prospect and 5 teams have inquired about him.

No sense in the word available.
This make more sense. The Flames have a glut of twenty type centre prospects and few high end defensive projects.

They should be entertaining offers for Backlund. Big difference between that and looking to move him.

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$4.75 for this year +2 ouch

Not sure who would want him, he seems like a perfect buyout candidate if they really want to free themselves of Ruutu
I can see the Sabres wanting him to reach the cap floor next season.

And they happen to have PMD's that can be moved.

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I can see the Sabres wanting him to reach the cap floor next season.

And they happen to have PMD's that can be moved.
Ruutu for McBain

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Flames would have to add a pretty big +. I like Backlund, but he's never shown very much at this level in terms of offense, which is what the Rangers need in return for DZ.
That's why I was asking about a +. I think backlund could be a good fit if we don't resign Moore or Boyle ( iirc backlund is a center if I'm wrong then ignore that 2nd sentence). If he is a winger he could be a great replacement for pyatt or pouliot. I'd love him on the rangers if there is a fair deal to be had.

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Ruutu for McBain
Oh lawd, pass the scotch if this one happens, I'm going to need it.

Sad thing is I can actually see this too.

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4 or 5 teams have kicked tires on Calgary's Mikael Backlund. Flames willing to move him.

That's what he said on Backlund.

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would love Tlusty

also one more off the New Jersey Czech List

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This make more sense. The Flames have a glut of twenty type centre prospects and few high end defensive projects.

They should be entertaining offers for Backlund. Big difference between that and looking to move him.
I agree. If Backlund had been made available people would have to start asking some serious questions about Flames' managements commitment to and ability to manage a rebuild.

BTW - why did Dreger need to say that Backlund is no longer a prospect? Isn't that kinda kicking the snot out of the obvious?

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Ruutu for McBain
I've read up some on Tlusty since this thread started, but still have many questions.

Does he have wheels?
Is he tough in the corners?
How's his passing and finishing skills?

Can someone fill me in on just what were looking at in Tlusty, thanks.

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Is Carolina trying to move Ruutu for cap space or salary consideration?
(also something I haven't read much up on yet - how does the salary retention on trades work... are salary and cap hit linked, or can you retain salary while moving the full cap hit?)

Tlusty could potentially be an option to try on Spezza's wing? and am I getting my Ruutu's confused, or is how is he on shootouts?

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4 or 5 teams have kicked tires on Calgary's Mikael Backlund. Flames willing to move him.

That's what he said on Backlund.
This makes sense as well. If a team is willing to part with picks and prospects for any roster player then the Flames should listen and make a move if a particular deal feeds the rebuild.

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