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11-21-2013, 10:21 AM
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I hope it does continue. The whining would be epic.
But I honestly don't get this East-West fandom. Doesn't anybody in this thread cheer for a team rather than a division/conference?
I'm just imagining a strict top-4 per-Division Playoff qualifying with these kinds of Divisional and Conference records. What a greater joke that would be.

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11-21-2013, 10:24 AM
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In my opinion this season is already over. The West already has the Cup locked up.

And I don't mean a team in the West. I mean the entire West. They deserve it, after all the years of east coast bias. Just put the name of every west coast team on there.

Might as well have the entire East secede from the NHL. Not even worth being in it anymore considering the way the west is playing
I'm not sure that the West is necessarily a whole lot more better this year than the East than they've been other years. It's just more obvious this year because of more cross-conference games being played.

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This is crazy. Not one team in the East would make the playoffs if they were in the West if the playoffs started today.

8th in the west has more points than 1st in the east.
It's not only the top-end. Nashville, currently the last spot in the Central, has more points than 9 teams in the Eastern Conference.

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11-21-2013, 10:39 AM
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If you forget the loser points, it's really 87-54 currently which is 62%.

On the bright side, my team is 6-3-1 vs West.

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11-21-2013, 11:51 AM
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Ya, your right....except college football and every soccer league in the world....

Or golf, tennis, nascar, mma, boxing.....
College football is out of it's proverbial mind and I'll give you NASCAR.

Wins are still the impetus in soccer because they're 3 points.

In golf if you shoot the best you win the tournament. That's it. In tennis, if you win Wimbeldon, you win. If you lose, you don't. Of course there's world rankings but I'd say major tournaments are the big thing in those sports where of course a win is a win. Unless of course you're suggesting that Player A wins the final match at the tournament and gets 2 points, but he loses the tournament because Player B went to 4 tiebreakers. That's pretty much what hockey does.

MMA and boxing have the distinction of being judged sports, but of course once you win the fight you win. The world champion is the guy who WON the fight against the previous champion, not the guy who lost the most close fights.

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11-21-2013, 12:07 PM
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East wins 2/3 games last night.. but come out even in points distributed.

East 2-1-0, 4pts
West 1-0-2, 4pts

Ohhhhhh East.

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11-23-2013, 03:34 AM
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The Lightning were the one shining star in the East against the West going 7-0-0 before their current road trip to the Pacific division. They have gone 0-3-1 on the trip.

On a side note, Bishop looked AMAZING tonight. Almost stole one.

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11-23-2013, 06:58 AM
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The Lightning were the one shining star in the East against the West going 7-0-0 before their current road trip to the Pacific division. They have gone 0-3-1 on the trip.

On a side note, Bishop looked AMAZING tonight. Almost stole one.
When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.

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11-23-2013, 07:04 AM
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When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.
Sedin?

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11-23-2013, 07:15 AM
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Sedin?
While very good in his own right, is not like those four guys. All of them are big, physical, and play a 200-foot game extremely well.

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11-23-2013, 10:11 AM
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The Lightning were the one shining star in the East against the West going 7-0-0 before their current road trip to the Pacific division. They have gone 0-3-1 on the trip.

On a side note, Bishop looked AMAZING tonight. Almost stole one.
Pens are doing fine as well. 4-2 so far and they dominate western teams every year.

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11-23-2013, 10:20 AM
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Pens are doing fine as well. 4-2 so far and they dominate western teams every year.
4-2 is hardly dominating. Wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west with that record pace.

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When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.
Its been a big body arms race for a while now. Every team in the old Pacific, had to have big skilled forwards or you don't win.

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11-23-2013, 11:31 AM
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Is it just convenient for you to ignore that the East plays way more back to backs, or do you just not know?
This is just silly talk. The link below shows the back to back schedules for all teams. What you will see is that the number of back to back games varies dramatically from team to team and isn't more difficult on the East teams when considering the travel involved - which greatly favors the East teams having to travel a whole lot less than the West teams.

Look at my Blackhawks - they have 18 back to back games (tied for 3rd most with NYI, behind NJ and Carolina) and none of them are Home-Home - all of them involve traveling between games. At least NJ has 2 of it's 22 Home-Home, Carolina has 2 of it's 20 Home-Home, anf the Islanders have 3 of it's 18 Home-Home.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/articl...each-team.aspx

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11-23-2013, 11:37 AM
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When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.
This is why when the East talks about defensive centers I can't relate. Most of the players they rave about would get beaten down in the Pacific. While good in their own right and against similar competition they do well but in this context they would not. How would Turris do facing these four on a regular basis? The smallest one is Kopitar and he is 6'3 225 and has tremendous skill. Its just a different world

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11-23-2013, 11:44 AM
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Getzlaf - 6'4 221lbs over a point per game.
Thorton - 6'4 220 over a point per game.
Kopitar - 6'3 224lbs just one game off a point per game pace.
Hanzal - 6'6 230lbs at a point per game pace.

All play a physical game. This is what pretty much shaped the Pacific. Now it's time for EDM and Calgary to adjust. Sedin isn't a tiny payer and definitely is extremely skilled, but he doesn't play the same "mean" game these guys can and often do.

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11-23-2013, 01:18 PM
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Is it just convenient for you to ignore that the East plays way more back to backs, or do you just not know?
And how much travel must they go through? Ever heard of time zones? How many different time zones do teams in the East have to play through within their conference? Or do you just not know? Like I said, learn to read a map.

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11-23-2013, 01:59 PM
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When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.
i won't talk for the other teams, but the sharks entire top 6 is basically giants.

thornton 6'4 220, hertl 6'2 210, burns 6'5 230
marleau 6'2 220, couture 6'1 200, wingels 6'0 200

and if havlat finds his game again, then he replaces wingels and havlat is 6'2 210.

thats a huge top 6, average height is like 6'2.5, average weight is 213.

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11-23-2013, 03:27 PM
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NHL is like every other business, east is PR department and west side is where they play hockey

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11-23-2013, 06:44 PM
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i won't talk for the other teams, but the sharks entire top 6 is basically giants.

thornton 6'4 220, hertl 6'2 210, burns 6'5 230
marleau 6'2 220, couture 6'1 200, wingels 6'0 200

and if havlat finds his game again, then he replaces wingels and havlat is 6'2 210.

thats a huge top 6, average height is like 6'2.5, average weight is 213.
Didnt know Hertl is that big. He doesnt look that big to me.

That is pretty scary though.

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11-23-2013, 07:08 PM
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Bruins would be 8th in the West after today's game. Things are looking up for the East.

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11-23-2013, 07:26 PM
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Getzlaf - 6'4 221lbs over a point per game.
Thorton - 6'4 220 over a point per game.
Kopitar - 6'3 224lbs just one game off a point per game pace.
Hanzal - 6'6 230lbs at a point per game pace.

All play a physical game. This is what pretty much shaped the Pacific. Now it's time for EDM and Calgary to adjust. Sedin isn't a tiny payer and definitely is extremely skilled, but he doesn't play the same "mean" game these guys can and often do.
This is insane All those guys are massive and skilled. I wish Edmonton could be in the east so bad.

Once RNH puts on a bit of weight hell be 6 ~205 and able to handle them. Monahan is alos a pretty big center to. But right now its defiantly not fair.

Not exactly high end skilled guys, but the Oilers have amassed some huge physical prospects, likely solely because of their division.
Moroz, Khaira, Kessy, Ewanyk, Yakimov, McCaron, Nurse, Klefbom, Musil are all big and drafted to deal with the pacific opponets


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When you look at the "old" Pacific Division, no other division has this:

Kopitar
Thornton
Getzlaf
Hanzel

You need a guy like one of these just for starters to compete in the Pacific Division, which is why until they get one for themselves Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton will be bringing up the rear.
Kesler?

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11-23-2013, 08:03 PM
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East/West fanboys are cute. Do you cheer for a team or do you cheer for a conference?

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Getzlaf - 6'4 221lbs over a point per game.
Thorton - 6'4 220 over a point per game.
Kopitar - 6'3 224lbs just one game off a point per game pace.
Hanzal - 6'6 230lbs at a point per game pace.

All play a physical game. This is what pretty much shaped the Pacific. Now it's time for EDM and Calgary to adjust. Sedin isn't a tiny payer and definitely is extremely skilled, but he doesn't play the same "mean" game these guys can and often do.
And yet that did not bother the hawks. They dont seem to have a gigantic physical monster like that who plays an elite 200 foot game and scored at PPG.

And if we are counting hossa, then vc would have one in kesler who plays a meaner game then hossa, but he does not quite meet your size, weight requirements.


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The east is just sad this year. There won't be so much disparity this year but once again the West will win the cup as they have more often than not for the past several years.

I mean its nothing to get down about, the east.....the east is still pretty good so you got that goin for ya.

Which is nice.

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