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11-26-2013, 02:28 AM
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Time to start Talbot for a couple games in a row?

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11-26-2013, 05:45 AM
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Does anyone else feel like this season is shaping up to be another worse case scenario once again? We finish around 500, maybe sneak into the 6th,7th or 8th seed, get eliminated early in the playoffs and then are led to believe that we are just, " one big player away from contention." I believe I've read that script before- it's called every rangers team since 2011!!!

Nash's return means more ice time for Callahan and Richards. Honestly, that's not helping us. Remember when Nash was out teams were saying how fast we looked? Well we don't look fast with Hagelin playing very little and Krieder's line not playing as much. It's very easy for an NHL team to defend against a Richards, Nash and Callahan line.

I'm also sick of getting 40 shots and zero goals. 40 shots means nothing if 30 of them are wrist shots from above the tops of the circles! But, I guess 30 shots from above the tops of the circles is what a very mediocre team can generate.

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11-26-2013, 05:51 AM
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Getting tired of hearing "didn't play bad" on the postgame.

We lost 5-0.
Who said that garbage?

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11-26-2013, 05:54 AM
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Right. Bishop didn't play well. Sure.

Some of you act like the Rangers losing a road game after winning a bunch of them in a row is an indictment of the team. Some of you would feel likewise if they won 20 in a row and had the audacity to lose a game.
Yeah, Bishop played well. And Andersen, and Budaj, and whatever other goalies shut us out. It's never the Rangers absolute lack of offense. It's the great Hasek clones that we play. Right.

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11-26-2013, 05:54 AM
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the lundqvist hate amongst fans on twitter is awesome

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11-26-2013, 06:01 AM
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the lundqvist hate amongst fans on twitter is awesome
He's hardly the reason the Rangers lost, but it's time to turn the heat up on him. Let Talbot start two or three in a row and see what we have in him. Lundqvist has been playing way too complacently for the most part this season, with the exception of a few games of course.

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11-26-2013, 06:14 AM
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Does anyone else feel like this season is shaping up to be another worse case scenario once again? We finish around 500, maybe sneak into the 6th,7th or 8th seed, get eliminated early in the playoffs and then are led to believe that we are just, " one big player away from contention." I believe I've read that script before- it's called every rangers team since 2011!!!
If by every team since 2011 you mean every team ever, then yes I agree.

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11-26-2013, 06:32 AM
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Nash is a right winger. Not a left winger. He is more comfortable on the right side. The goal he scored in Dallas. Got the puck on the right side and cut to the net using his left leg to protect the puck. The majority of his goals last season came with Nash on the right side.

That's why most of the proposals regarding the Rangers acquiring another top right winger are asinine with Nash and Callahan on the roster. Putting Nash on left wing to accommodate the other right winger makes no sense when you look at how much the Rangers have invested in Nash.

Callahan will get a new deal. $5M. $5.5M. Somewhere in that range. You don't pay him that type of money to play on the 3rd line.

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11-26-2013, 07:03 AM
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If by every team since 2011 you mean every team ever, then yes I agree.
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11-26-2013, 07:09 AM
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3 out of 5 goals were on breakaways and fans are focusing on Lundqvist as the problem? Sometimes, fans are too much.

Here's the problem: The Rangers have scored one goal or LESS in 10 of 24 games this season. Rough math there is 40+% of the time our goalies have to give up a goal or less to win. That's a huge problem.

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11-26-2013, 07:33 AM
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2 goals per game. That's what we score.

Nothing more needs to be said.

we are paying the price for drafting marginal forwards, projects, and tweeter types who can't break down defenders.

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11-26-2013, 07:34 AM
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People realized our forward group isnt as good as people thought. Torts wasnt the problem here.
It's not just the forwards and their inability to aim when they shoot the puck, a big problem is our defensemen can't move the puck for ****. Girardi is bottom 20 in the entire league in breakout passes, Del Zotto turns into a mediocre junior player when he stresses himself, which he does alot. Staal is half blind. Do I need to continue? Our transition game is horrible and will always continue to be horrible with this defensive group. McD and Strålman can't pass every puck for 60 minutes, who I think are the only passable defensemen when it comes to puckhandling.

9.1 winning % when the opponents score the first goal is beyond depressing. Flip a coin and we lose. We're a 50/50 team for a reason. Bleh. Our entire strategy revolves around our goalie keeping the score at 0 until we score our first, which can be all from 2nd period to infinity.

Our best chances come off the rush. That means we can't allow the first goal, because then we'll never get those chances and we we don't, we're toast.


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11-26-2013, 07:49 AM
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They aren't good at scoring, but you make it seem like they're not getting chances. You also absurdly said that they couldn't score the goal that the Russian kid scored tonight. Unless you think that no one on this team can connect on one timer that the goalie would screw up on and let in a goal through him, from a bad angle mind you, then that's ********. If we switched goalies this is probably a 2-2 game or so. Maybe a 3-2 loss for us, maybe a 3-3 tied. Something in that vicinity. Not because the Rangers are good at scoring, but because Lundqvist didn't come up big once (I think he made one or two nice saves) and let in a weak goal.
That's not what I'm saying at all. The Rangers get chances, they just squander them with poor shot selection and execution. That's the problem.

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11-26-2013, 07:54 AM
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It's not just the forwards and their inability to aim when they shoot the puck, a big problem is our defensemen can't move the puck for ****. Girardi is bottom 20 in the entire league in breakout passes, Del Zotto turns into a mediocre junior player when he stresses himself, which he does alot. Staal is half blind. Do I need to continue? Our transition game is horrible and will always continue to be horrible with this defensive group. McD and Strålman can't pass every puck for 60 minutes, who I think are the only passable defensemen when it comes to puckhandling.

9.1 winning % when the opponents score the first goal is beyond depressing. Flip a coin and we lose. We're a 50/50 team for a reason. Bleh. Our entire strategy revolves around our goalie keeping the score at 0 until we score our first, which can be all from 2nd period to infinity.

Our best chances come off the rush. That means we can't allow the first goal, because then we'll never get those chances and we we don't, we're toast.

Been saying most of this for a while, especially the bolded. Girardi is being exposed under AV's system when he's not lights out in his own end.

The team shooting percentage is unsustainably low, but the amount of low quality shots compared to high qualty shots is mind blowing. Both MSG games I attended this year against Anaheim and LA we outshot the opposition, but we lost. The Rangers may have gotten 30+ shots on net, but probably only 4 or 5 of those were good scoring chances, the rest were muffins from the point or the top of the circle.

I'll give credit where credit is due. AV has done a fantastic job of showing this group to create chances on the transition. Problem is, half the roster doesn't have the ability to quickly turn the other way and head towards the opposing net to create a scoring chance.

It's going to take one or two more years for AV to leave his print on this team, and to allow Sather/his successor to go out and get pieces that fit this team via trade or free agency. This is a transition year folks, I'll be blown away if we get as far as we did last season.

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11-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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Guess the game-day golf outing with all the pops wasn't such a good idea. Maybe Dave and Busters instead next time.

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No, they aren't
Oh yeah you're such a bad hockeyteam when you beat the Blackhawks 7-2.

Amateurs from the McDonalds company picnic team.

This fanbase hates the team so much when they lose its painful. Everyone is devoid of talent and our goalkeeper is the worst in the league

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11-26-2013, 08:47 AM
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The team has some good offensive talent but they simply lack legit top line punch. The leaders on the team in scoring are on pace to have under 30 goals and under 60 points. Stepan, Zuccarello, Callahan, Richards, and Kreider are all just good solid 2nd line players, and lets face it -over a large chunk of games going back to last season- Nash is producing like a 2nd liner at best.

The Rongos have decent depth and decent talent, and theyre gonna win some games, but that elte tapent that can carry a team through dry spells is completely absent.

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The team has some good offensive talent but they simply lack legit top line punch. The leaders on the team in scoring are on pace to have under 30 goals and under 60 points. Stepan, Zuccarello, Callahan, Richards, and Kreider are all just good solid 2nd line players, and lets face it -over a large chunk of games going back to last season- Nash is producing like a 2nd liner at best.

The Rongos have decent depth and decent talent, and theyre gonna win some games, but that elte tapent that can carry a team through dry spells is completely absent.
Right now only Richards and Callahan are trending to break 20 goals this season. Give it a few more games without scoring and both those will be trending under 20. That's pathetic. No wonder they score 1 goal or less more than 40% of the time.

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11-26-2013, 09:27 AM
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Anyone who believes that Nash wasn't a good player tonight is clueless about hockey or has a pre-existing agenda.
exactly. Nash drew penalty after penalty and we didn't capitalize. Bishop was much better than Hank; end of story. The 40 shots is a little misleading cause there were several non-threatening Brian Boyle type scoring chances, but Bishop made some great saves. He robbed Stralman twice, we hit in the inside of the post twice and the Bolts did a great job of collapsing and clearing the puck out of the crease.

We moved the puck well and our goalie had an off night. Move on. Insert Miller, bring up Asham and sit Pouliot and Boyle.

4th line of Moore Miller and Asham will bring energy and some skill. Dorsett can play on the 3rd line with Brass and Hags.

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11-26-2013, 09:42 AM
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********. They didn't create anywhere near this amount of chances with Torts. It's like the team hates AV and decided to create chances and not finish. They were finishing for Torts at a better rate, especially in 11-12. That team was not very talented but somehow scored timely goals and even goals in bunches sometimes. I seriously like the offensive upside of our 4th line this year than the 3rd line that year. What was it Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust? That was our 3rd line. I can understand that team being a shutdown D, they can grind you down. That team MASSIVELY overachieved to be #12 in scoring. One thing that team had that this team doesn't is superstar play. This team has no Gabby. Even still it seemed like when that team didn't have Gabby or Richards score they had scrubs magically score. Richards, our #1 ****ing center that year was MIA for like 2 months and we still scored. Luckiest team of all time. If this team had this Lundqvist and that fluky finishing ability, they'd be excellent. Say they started 2-6 (injuries and system would probably have them start like that anyway), I bet they'd be something like 16-8.
You sound delusional. You are arguing concrete results of '11-12 vs. wild perceptions of what you see here in '13-14.

You want to argue that this team is creating more shots/chances? Fine, Ill agree. Maybe you can lobby the NHL to have that be the determining factor in games instead of # of goals. You were warned about this - all of it. The coaching change was merely rearranging the deck chairs on this titanic of an offensive hockey team. This current team consists of a forward core that is not strong enough, skilled enough, and (for some) not hungry enough to get into the prime scoring areas of the ice. Ill take my chances with one shot from the slot vs. dozens of "chances" consisting of the team shoveling pucks to the net from bad angles.

Perhaps even more importantly, this team that is being lauded by you for generating so many chances (and is tied for 2nd to last in goal scoring in the league), is giving up a helluva lot more chances too. Tampa Bay scored on 4 odd-man rushes last night. 4. I remember when it took this team a month to give up 4 odd-man rushes.

Your delusions of grandeur are insulting to any Ranger fan that finds solace in winning hockey games.

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11-26-2013, 09:45 AM
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these guys shoot at the opposing goalie rather than 1234 and 5 holes.

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11-26-2013, 09:47 AM
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Yeah, Bishop played well. And Andersen, and Budaj, and whatever other goalies shut us out. It's never the Rangers absolute lack of offense. It's the great Hasek clones that we play. Right.
Marginal goalie in net, best player out, 4 game losing streak. This script was as suspenceful as the ending of the Lincoln movie.......

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11-26-2013, 09:57 AM
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From Larry today (http://nypost.com/2013/11/25/lightni...rangers-5-0/):

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The Rangers have been excellent at defending leads this year, but they are 1-11 when yielding the first goal. That kind of comes with the territory when the average offensive output is 2.0 goals per game.
Apologies on the prior miscalculation

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“You’re not going to win in this league without scoring,” Ryan Callahan said.
No ****, captain

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“We can’t keep saying we’re creating chances. That’s not good enough.”
Too bad they don't give out 2 points for chances created…

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Vigneault said. “You have to be able to make the other team pay when they make mistakes and that 1-11 record [when allowing the first goal] is a telling sign we’re not doing enough.”

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From Larry today (http://nypost.com/2013/11/25/lightni...rangers-5-0/):



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Too bad they don't give out 2 points for chances created…
The excuse that giving up the 1st goal takes the winds out of a team's sales is a laughable one. You can find it in this thread a few times.

They're using it as an excuse, or to shift blame on Lundqvist, but all it really suggests is that this team is mentally weak in addition to being unable to score goals.

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Right now only Richards and Callahan are trending to break 20 goals this season. Give it a few more games without scoring and both those will be trending under 20. That's pathetic. No wonder they score 1 goal or less more than 40% of the time.
What's really disturbing is that most of the players on this team are in contract years, one would hope that a few of those guys would overachieve. But nope, they aren't even capable of that.

Richards is in danger of being bought out and he is projected to score 55 points this year, which is a worse scoring pace than his previous two seasons as a Ranger. Ugly stuff.

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