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11-26-2013, 12:14 PM
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Shawn Mathias for Mathias Ohlund.

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11-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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Shawn Mathias for Mathias Ohlund.
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11-26-2013, 01:59 PM
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MB needs to be on the phone with Mcphee offering any one of Briere, Bourque, Desharnais straight up for Erat.

I'd add a late pick if it meant moving either DD or Bourque
How does that accomplish anything other than screwing our depth? Erat brings a 4.5 mil cap hit and has 9 points in 32 games in Washington.

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11-26-2013, 02:03 PM
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How does that accomplish anything other than screwing our depth? Erat brings a 4.5 mil cap hit and has 9 points in 32 games in Washington.
What depth exactly? Erat is much more reliable defensively than DB/DD and is bigger too. Erat is also more proven than Desharnais and arguably Bourque. I'd keep Bourque since he brings elements that we don't have in abundance but one of DD/DB has to go. Erat has been mismanaged ever since McPhee traded for him, he's had back problems in the last years but he hasn't declined that much. He used to be a bonafide 50-55 pts in a not so offensively gifted environment in Nashville. Erat is in the doghouse just like Grabovski was last year. You buy low and you sell high on DD while he's picking up points.

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11-26-2013, 02:26 PM
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DB is way more valuable than Erat, no contest. Erat is done. DB is still very creative and dangerous in the offensive zone.

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11-26-2013, 02:46 PM
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I've seen this proposal on the trade board:

Gallagher
Beaulieu
1st

for

Couturier
Morin
2nd
I would pass... Gallagher is a spark we need. Morin is a project too, and so far Beaulieu is better. Fair, but we just ought not trade Gallagher at any "fair" price.

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11-26-2013, 02:51 PM
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I would pass... Gallagher is a spark we need. Morin is a project too, and so far Beaulieu is better. Fair, but we just ought not trade Gallagher at any "fair" price.
Agreed. I wouldn't even do Gallagher for Couturier+Morin

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11-26-2013, 02:54 PM
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DB is way more valuable than Erat, no contest. Erat is done. DB is still very creative and dangerous in the offensive zone.
Dunno about "way more"... or "very"... but Briere looks like he still has some of his stuff, anyway, just hasn't really found the icetime and lineup consistency to best demonstrate it, perhaps. Also, perhaps not. But at least he flashes some hope. Erat... I honestly don't know, haven't seen him enough. Younger, "bigger", cheaper in real $ (though a bit higher cap hit)... I'd look at the tapes and chat with the pro scouts at least. DB would have to agree, of course. But Washington is closer to his family situation still, right? I wouldn't count it as a totally impossible swap, but I'm also not sure that Erat's latest want-out responses endear him as an acquisition target in general, even if the pro scouts did somehow sway me on his level of play. I'd probably pass on just about anything involving Erat actually.

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11-26-2013, 03:09 PM
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Here's a cumulative look at a few trade proposals that have been floating around lately.

To Winnipeg
Plekanec + Beaulieu + 2014 1st

To Montreal
Evander Kane

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To Florida
Ryan White + 2014 3rd

To Montreal
Shawn Mathias

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UFA Signing
Tomas Vanek

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To Anybody at deadline
David Desharnais

To Montreal
Anything (preferably a low pick)
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See above proposal for Daniel Briere.

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Here how could lineup would look:

Kane - Galchenyuk - Vanek
Pacrioretty- Eller- Gallagher
Bourque - Mathias - Bournival
Prust - Leblanc - Moen

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Tinordi
Pateryn - Gorges

Price
Budaj

Checked it out on Cap Geek, and it fits under the cap...barely. Not a very realistic set of circumstances, and it would basically take a miracle to pull it off, but I think that would be a formidable lineup. It relies heavily on our young players stepping up, especially on D. And I am not fond of having Galchenyuk as a first line center right now, as he is not even playing the center position right now. This is more of a hypothetical scenario of it Galchenyuk was ready to be our 1st line C, which he's not. Not yet that is. And yes, I know the majority cant even fathom trading Plekanec, as he is a major piece of our team, however, you have to give good players away in order to get good players. Overall just a fun scenario I came up with, not suggesting we should do it or it's going to happen thought. Just fun to think about.

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11-26-2013, 03:13 PM
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Here's a cumulative look at a few trade proposals that have been floating around lately.

To Winnipeg
Plekanec + Beaulieu + 2014 1st

To Montreal
Evander Kane

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To Florida
Ryan White + 2014 3rd

To Montreal
Shawn Mathias

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UFA Signing
Tomas Vanek

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To Anybody at deadline
David Desharnais

To Montreal
Anything (preferably a low pick)
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See above proposal for Daniel Briere.

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Here how could lineup would look:

Kane - Galchenyuk - Vanek
Pacrioretty- Eller- Gallagher
Bourque - Mathias - Bournival
Prust - Leblanc - Moen

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Tinordi
Pateryn - Gorges

Price
Budaj

Checked it out on Cap Geek, and it fits under the cap...barely. Not a very realistic set of circumstances, and it would basically take a miracle to pull it off, but I think that would be a formidable lineup. It relies heavily on our young players stepping up, especially on D. And I am not fond of having Galchenyuk as a first line center right now, as he is not even playing the center position right now. This is more of a hypothetical scenario of it Galchenyuk was ready to be our 1st line C, which he's not. Not yet that is. And yes, I know the majority cant even fathom trading Plekanec, as he is a major piece of our team, however, you have to give good players away in order to get good players. Overall just a fun scenario I came up with, not suggesting we should do it or it's going to happen thought. Just fun to think about.
cool lu but those are alot of moves :O

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11-26-2013, 03:16 PM
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cool lu but those are alot of moves :O
Yeah I know Maybe if Holmgren was our GM...

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11-26-2013, 03:18 PM
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Here's a cumulative look at a few trade proposals that have been floating around lately.

To Winnipeg
Plekanec + Beaulieu + 2014 1st

To Montreal
Evander Kane

---------------------------------------

To Florida
Ryan White + 2014 3rd

To Montreal
Shawn Mathias

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UFA Signing
Tomas Vanek

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To Anybody at deadline
David Desharnais

To Montreal
Anything (preferably a low pick)
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See above proposal for Daniel Briere.

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Here how could lineup would look:

Kane - Galchenyuk - Vanek
Pacrioretty- Eller- Gallagher
Bourque - Mathias - Bournival
Prust - Leblanc - Moen

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Tinordi
Pateryn - Gorges

Price
Budaj

Checked it out on Cap Geek, and it fits under the cap...barely. Not a very realistic set of circumstances, and it would basically take a miracle to pull it off, but I think that would be a formidable lineup. It relies heavily on our young players stepping up, especially on D. And I am not fond of having Galchenyuk as a first line center right now, as he is not even playing the center position right now. This is more of a hypothetical scenario of it Galchenyuk was ready to be our 1st line C, which he's not. Not yet that is. And yes, I know the majority cant even fathom trading Plekanec, as he is a major piece of our team, however, you have to give good players away in order to get good players. Overall just a fun scenario I came up with, not suggesting we should do it or it's going to happen thought. Just fun to think about.
It's not that bad even for a second forgetting the Vanek signing....

Play Eller 1C for now with Pacioretty and Gionta/UFA signing (hopefully Vanek but unlikely). Galchenyuk gets to play a less defensive role with Gallgaher and Kane. I'd play Leblanc with Mathias and Bournival have Prust center the 4th line with moen and Bourque as an ultra grinder line.


But overall I'd love that lineup

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11-26-2013, 03:23 PM
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Agreed. I wouldn't even do Gallagher for Couturier+Morin
o_0

Really?!

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11-26-2013, 03:31 PM
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o_0

Really?!
A-S-S-E-T M-A-N-A-G-E-M-E-N-T

We have Tinoridi, don't need Morin.

We have Eller, don't need Couturier.

If we get rid of Gallagher, man we're going way backwords.

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11-26-2013, 03:32 PM
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o_0

Really?!
no point in trading gallagher unless were getting overpaid w/ more offensive players, every team in the nhl wants a top 6 player like gally. why would we ever trade him away? its rare to find a player that makes his linemates better the same way he does

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11-26-2013, 04:32 PM
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Klesla to replace murray and cube would be good

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11-26-2013, 04:33 PM
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Klesla to replace murray and cube would be good
Nope.

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Yeah.. I just looked at his contract....

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What depth exactly? Erat is much more reliable defensively than DB/DD and is bigger too. Erat is also more proven than Desharnais and arguably Bourque. I'd keep Bourque since he brings elements that we don't have in abundance but one of DD/DB has to go. Erat has been mismanaged ever since McPhee traded for him, he's had back problems in the last years but he hasn't declined that much. He used to be a bonafide 50-55 pts in a not so offensively gifted environment in Nashville. Erat is in the doghouse just like Grabovski was last year. You buy low and you sell high on DD while he's picking up points.
At least Desharnais is producing, Erat isn't.

My best offer would be DD for Erat if Washington keeps 1.5 mil of cap hit.

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11-26-2013, 04:38 PM
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Klesla to replace murray and cube would be good
Would be good for the Coyotes, not the Habs.

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11-26-2013, 04:47 PM
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At least Desharnais is producing, Erat isn't.

My best offer would be DD for Erat if Washington keeps 1.5 mil of cap hit.
Erat isnt any less productive than DD... and he isnt playing with a guy like Patches on his line.

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Erat isnt any less productive than DD... and he isnt playing with a guy like Patches on his line.
DD is producing the last week and the Habs are winning, no way in hell they trade him for Erat. That's not even considering Erat's larger cap hit.

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11-26-2013, 04:51 PM
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Man I seriously why you guys are looking for assets. Just liquidate Bourque and Desharnais for picks and we're set. We don't need anything up front or down low IMO.

Pacioretty-Briere-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Eller-Prust
Bournival-Plekanec-Gionta
Moen-White-Dumont/Parros.

Markov-Subban
Gorges-Emelin
Murray-Diaz

Ride or die with that, next year we'll have a TON of cap space for a true #1 line winger.

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DD is producing the last week and the Habs are winning, no way in hell they trade him for Erat. That's not even considering Erat's larger cap hit.
GM dont make trades based on ONE week of play, it's only 3 games... come on now...


Erat has a larger cap hit, but shorter term...

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At least Desharnais is producing, Erat isn't.

My best offer would be DD for Erat if Washington keeps 1.5 mil of cap hit.
Erat's been put in a position to fail ever since Washington made his acquisition. He's not playing his natural position (a position he's been playing for a decade in Nashville...), they're trying him out at center which is absurd. He's also on a line with two of Washington's offensive juggernauts in Brouwer and Laich. He barely sniffes 13 minutes a night and they rarely play him on the PP. Yep, it's a mystery why he only has 6 pts. I don't know about you but when I get rid of one of my top prospects for a player, I would make sure I put him in a position to succeed but McPhee and Oates don't appear to share the same philosophy as me...

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