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11-27-2013, 08:28 PM
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Believe its Maz's 2nd SO? Congrats to him, solid game.

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Because we use our 4th line as more of a shutdown line than an energy line. Then again, he is 19th on the roster in both total and ES TOI/G.
Meh. When I posted this, it was right after the third goal was scored.

Hendricks was 2nd on forward TOI, 7 seconds behind Gaustad. This was a trend throughout the night as it was the same with 2nd period totals, etc.

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I missed most of the game but big win by the preds. Mazanec with his 2nd shutout. Looking at the boxscore Trotz was able to role all 4 lines and the D pairs. Bartley and Ellis had more ice time then Jones and Klein. Given they have a game tomorrow it was nice that all the forwards got pretty much equal ice time and Weber/Josi only had to play 22 min. Team seems to be really clicking now. I thought when Hornqvist went down we'd suffer but Nystrom has really played well in his place. Mazanec has just played great in the last couple of weeks.

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11-27-2013, 08:42 PM
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Meh. When I posted this, it was right after the third goal was scored.

Hendricks was 2nd on forward TOI, 7 seconds behind Gaustad. This was a trend throughout the night as it was the same with 2nd period totals, etc.
Trotz was rolling all 4 lines with a lead and having to play tomorrow night. Gave our top guys some rest and the team won big so why does it matter.

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Further 101, I would like to see your source or the stat breakdown. If we are including all skaters, you can basically put all defensemen and goalies ahead of Hendricks. If you are using all players, then you can even throw in our 7th defensemen and 3rd goalie. That is 10.

In terms of forwards, this is where I want to see the comparison. Hendricks is probably averaging around 12-13 minutes a night with some games around the 14-16 mark and others around 9-11. It is a significant amount of icetime for a player of his caliber.... hence the question.

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Further 101, I would like to see your source or the stat breakdown. If we are including all skaters, you can basically put all defensemen and goalies ahead of Hendricks. If you are using all players, then you can even throw in our 7th defensemen and 3rd goalie. That is 10.

In terms of forwards, this is where I want to see the comparison. Hendricks is probably averaging around 12-13 minutes a night with some games around the 14-16 mark and others around 9-11. It is a significant amount of icetime for a player of his caliber.... hence the question.
Yeah, "19th in time on ice" is a very odd way to put it. But among forwards, he's 12th in EV time on ice, ahead of only Clune, Forsberg, and Beck.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

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Legwand continues to tear it up this season...good to see.
I will say it again. Two words: contract season.

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Just got done with a 12 hour drive from DC to upstate MA; couldn't get the internet to stream the game, so bit the bullet and just looked at the score. Very pleased; way to go Maz.

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Great win! Looked awesome from start to finish. May have been the most complete game all year so far.

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I will say it again. Two words: contract season.
Oh no doubt. Him playing lights out is win-win. He continues to help the team win, or can potentially bring back something decent as a rental at the deadline, though he will have something to say about that part of it.

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Further 101, I would like to see your source or the stat breakdown. If we are including all skaters, you can basically put all defensemen and goalies ahead of Hendricks. If you are using all players, then you can even throw in our 7th defensemen and 3rd goalie. That is 10.

In terms of forwards, this is where I want to see the comparison. Hendricks is probably averaging around 12-13 minutes a night with some games around the 14-16 mark and others around 9-11. It is a significant amount of icetime for a player of his caliber.... hence the question.
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Player Team Pos GP ES TOI ES TOI/G SH TOI SH TOI/G PP TOI PP TOI/G TOI TOI/G Shifts TOI/S Sft/G
1-22 of 22 results. 1
1 Shea Weber NSH D 25 515:27 20:37 72:14 2:53 76:20 3:03 664:01 26:33 769 52.0 30.8
2 Seth Jones NSH D 25 463:16 18:31 56:21 2:15 66:33 2:39 586:10 23:26 702 50.0 28.1
3 Roman Josi NSH D 15 272:41 18:10 32:38 2:10 45:12 3:00 350:31 23:22 433 49.0 28.9
4 Kevin Klein NSH D 25 444:19 17:46 61:14 2:26 1:42 0:04 507:15 20:17 671 45.0 26.8
5 Mattias Ekholm NSH D 18 288:25 16:01 36:13 2:00 11:20 0:37 335:58 18:39 448 45.0 24.9
6 Mike Fisher NSH C 18 253:55 14:06 23:40 1:18 40:56 2:16 318:31 17:41 413 46.0 22.9
7 Eric Nystrom NSH L 22 303:45 13:48 45:44 2:04 1:33 0:04 351:02 15:57 468 45.0 21.3
8 Colin Wilson NSH C 25 339:59 13:35 0:06 0:00 58:26 2:20 398:31 15:56 498 48.0 19.9
9 David Legwand NSH C 25 331:09 13:14 4:24 0:10 69:46 2:47 405:19 16:12 522 47.0 20.9
10 Nick Spaling NSH C 21 275:12 13:06 40:44 1:56 4:26 0:12 320:22 15:15 456 42.0 21.7
11 Patric Hornqvist NSH R 23 300:22 13:03 0:36 0:01 65:16 2:50 366:14 15:55 472 47.0 20.5
12 Viktor Stalberg NSH L 19 244:51 12:53 1:46 0:05 6:05 0:19 252:42 13:18 348 44.0 18.3
13 Victor Bartley NSH D 19 242:39 12:46 15:30 0:48 1:54 0:06 260:03 13:41 354 44.0 18.6
14 Craig Smith NSH C 25 311:19 12:27 0:18 0:00 57:37 2:18 369:14 14:46 479 46.0 19.2
15 Matt Cullen NSH C 25 309:48 12:23 22:52 0:54 59:16 2:22 391:56 15:40 520 45.0 20.8
16 Gabriel Bourque NSH L 22 268:32 12:12 17:21 0:47 19:46 0:53 305:39 13:53 430 43.0 19.5
17 Paul Gaustad NSH C 25 291:11 11:38 68:18 2:43 1:44 0:04 361:13 14:26 513 42.0 20.5
18 Ryan Ellis NSH D 23 261:58 11:23 1:44 0:04 44:27 1:55 308:09 13:23 412 45.0 17.9
19 Matt Hendricks NSH C 21 216:16 10:17 49:41 2:21 0:56 0:02 266:53 12:42 369 43.0 17.6
20 Taylor Beck NSH L 2 19:56 9:58 0:00 0:00 4:18 2:09 24:14 12:07 35 42.0 17.5
21 Filip Forsberg NSH C 12 115:07 9:35 0:00 0:00 25:10 2:05 140:17 11:41 177 48.0 14.8
22 Rich Clune NSH L 15 125:04 8:20 2:24 0:09 0:48 0:03 128:16 8:33 196 39.0 13.1


So only Forsberg, Beck, and Clune get less ice time per game than Hendricks. The perception that Hendricks is playing anything more than a 4th line role is countered by a little thing called reality.

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I will say it again. Two words: contract season.
Too bad his best play before this year wasn't in a contract season.

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Too bad his best play before this year wasn't in a contract season.
two words... paul kariya

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Too bad his best play before this year wasn't in a contract season.
no but he got his extension early on after his best season. pretty much the same thing...

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Solid game for the most part. Columbus just looked bad, a lot like we looked Saturday against the Rangers. I was getting bored by the third period. The Oilers have given us fits the last few seasons. Hopefully, no turkey hangovers tomorrow.

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no but he got his extension early on after his best season. pretty much the same thing...
He got the extension in December of his contract year ... 21 pts through the first 26 games of that season following his 63 pt in 78 game season. So far this season he has 20 pts through 25 games.

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two words... paul kariya
So when the "contract year" aspect doesn't work, change to Kariya. When that doesn't explain similar performance runs in other seasons, what intellectual leap is next?

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After Leggy signed his extension, his production dipped. He went from a 66 point pace to a 47 point pace.

I wouldn't mind re-signing him, but I don't think a top 9 center depth of Fisher-Legwand-Cullen is a recipe for great success. Someone's got to go. (I suppose Cullen is near retirement so it could be him)

Anyways, terrific game from what I saw. I mostly noticed how poor and out of sync Columbus looked, but we played our game very well.

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Mazanac is playing out of his mind, how long can he keep this up? If he continues to play like this, Pekka will be forced to share goaltending duties upon his return.

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So when the "contract year" aspect doesn't work, change to Kariya. When that doesn't explain similar performance runs in other seasons, what intellectual leap is next?
I'm glad THE TEAM is winning more games lately, but honestly could care less what Legwand does. I've watched at least 11 seasons where he floats on the perimeter playing uninspired hockey... the only player that Poile has ever called out publicly for lack of effort.

Then, there's this other gear he has, which we usually see around playoff time... the Legwand that's not afraid to go to the net, get his noise dirty, fall on his *** and kick it up a notch. It's the Legwand we are seeing now. And yes, it's the gear we saw 7 years ago when he got an extension. He's playing that way again. Good for him and and the team, but that doesn't negate the other 11 seasons of less inspired play. I have zero reason to believe he'll play with the same motivation if he signs a multi-year "retirement contract" into his mid-to-late thirties.

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Mazanac is playing out of his mind, how long can he keep this up? If he continues to play like this, Pekka will be forced to share goaltending duties upon his return.
Too early to tell. Hutton started hot as well and there were people calling to trade Pekka.

For now, he's playing better than could be hoped for. Game by game. Pekka seems no where close to ready.


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Just saw Matt Cullen's feed to Spaling on the NHl Network....Kevin Weekes boasting continuously how Matt's on fire

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So only Forsberg, Beck, and Clune get less ice time per game than Hendricks. The perception that Hendricks is playing anything more than a 4th line role is countered by a little thing called reality.
You are overstating my point to make your own. Last night Hendricks was receiving a ton of ice time. I called that out. It is good to know that it isn't a season long trend, and you did a good job essentially proving that point. However, I still think those numbers give some information that should be looked at. Our fourth line is essentially on the ice for about 1 minute less per period then any other line on the team. This certainly isn't convention.

That said, Preds have looked really good lately. Stable goalie play. Better forechecking. Better transition game. Solid.

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I'm glad THE TEAM is winning more games lately, but honestly could care less what Legwand does. I've watched at least 11 seasons where he floats on the perimeter playing uninspired hockey... the only player that Poile has ever called out publicly for lack of effort.

Then, there's this other gear he has, which we usually see around playoff time... the Legwand that's not afraid to go to the net, get his noise dirty, fall on his *** and kick it up a notch. It's the Legwand we are seeing now. And yes, it's the gear we saw 7 years ago when he got an extension. He's playing that way again. Good for him and and the team, but that doesn't negate the other 11 seasons of less inspired play. I have zero reason to believe he'll play with the same motivation if he signs a multi-year "retirement contract" into his mid-to-late thirties.
Your history of bashing Legwand no matter what he does on the ice is evident here. Reading your posts it would look like he's never played at this level of performance during the regular season under this contract when the facts show he has.


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After Leggy signed his extension, his production dipped. He went from a 66 point pace to a 47 point pace.

I wouldn't mind re-signing him, but I don't think a top 9 center depth of Fisher-Legwand-Cullen is a recipe for great success. Someone's got to go. (I suppose Cullen is near retirement so it could be him)

Anyways, terrific game from what I saw. I mostly noticed how poor and out of sync Columbus looked, but we played our game very well.
That was also the season he blew out his ACL and still played on a bad knee. Over the past couple years, Fisher and Legwand have hovered in/near the top 30 scoring centers .... including both in that group at the same time.

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Mazanac is playing out of his mind, how long can he keep this up? If he continues to play like this, Pekka will be forced to share goaltending duties upon his return.
He's had a couple good games ... he's had a couple of stinkers as well. Last night he wasn't really tested often. The previous games, his tendency to let pucks through the five hole (specifically his far side leg forward of his near leg allowing a bounce off the inside of his far leg and into the net) has shown up repeatedly. His playing small and leaning forward has opened up his right shoulder a couple times as well, including one of the Jackets better opportunities that went of the crossbar. Luckily, the team is playing more solid team defense right now and the quality chances are limited and the rebounds he does put into juicy areas are ending up on Predators' sticks and not back at him from the slot.

Rinne's job and number of starts aren't in jeopardy after he's healthy.

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