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11-28-2013, 06:01 AM
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Whipping boy? He deserved the criticism he got and so does Bourque.
Maybe. Surely most of the time. But some people overdo it. Guy just got 2 points, very nice tip, and great feed, and yet you think he just had his worst game finishing -6. People should take a break, acknowledge the good day he had despite some mistakes, but in the end, his mistakes weren't that costly, and his production was one of the reason we won. There is a freakin limit to continuously be treated the way he is, and there will be other games where he will most clearly deserve it....but some people should take a freakin break....We do get the idea. But he was important in the win last night.

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11-28-2013, 07:15 AM
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Maybe. Surely most of the time. But some people overdo it. Guy just got 2 points, very nice tip, and great feed, and yet you think he just had his worst game finishing -6. People should take a break, acknowledge the good day he had despite some mistakes, but in the end, his mistakes weren't that costly, and his production was one of the reason we won. There is a freakin limit to continuously be treated the way he is, and there will be other games where he will most clearly deserve it....but some people should take a freakin break....We do get the idea. But he was important in the win last night.

you are right, DD had a OK game last night.
Points doesn't changed my opinion on him for last night games.

I' m happy about the win.....but i'm pissed about how many chances he got, and others players don't get half of it.

4:55 on the powerplay....not even a minute for any other forward on the team.
Nevermind that Galchenyuk and Plekanec are our best forward on the PP....he gets it all, and always with Subban and Markov!

I don't mind him getting some PP time, he diserve it lately.....but all of it....leaving every other player dry????????? Sorry, but that's not how you threat the players who are doing all the heavy lifting.

No other players got that treatment since the beginning of the year.
PP time was aalways split mostly equally. Even DD got a lot of it in his bad strech to help him out.

Do we give some to Galchenyuk to help him.....no!
Do we give some to Eller, who's responsible for the only 5-on-5 goal?....no!
Do we give some to Plekanec who's doing all the heavy lifting?....no!

Who's getting it all?
The 2 players who had a really bad year until a couple of games.

But that's working.....and that's okay.
Not sure every players are happy about it....

One thing we do know now: Without tons of PP, the 2 best wingers, tons of O-zone start , and no defensive missions......DD is totally useless!!

It's hard to look bad when you play 1/3 of your game on the Powerplay.....

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11-28-2013, 07:52 AM
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David Desharnais is an offensive juggernaut.

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11-28-2013, 08:14 AM
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Or maybe slumps happen.
Or maybe they're just not good but being paid and played like they are because of the team's lack of talent/ability to upgrade them?

I care more about the team than the player. Don't see anything wrong with no wanting some of the current players because you think they won't help the team become contenders.

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11-28-2013, 08:16 AM
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I noticed the irregularities on the PP : there's no way he's not being showcased. If it's not the case it doesn't have any sense. Where's the team concept ?

Again I'm fine with his play since approx 10 days. He's actually a threat in the O zone so I don't mind him on the PP, but not at the expense of the 2 other lines ...

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11-28-2013, 08:19 AM
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I noticed the irregularities on the PP : there's no way he's not being showcased. If it's not the case it doesn't have any sense. Where's the team concept ?

Again I'm fine with his play since approx 10 days. He's actually a threat in the O zone so I don't mind him on the PP, but not at the expense of the 2 other lines ...
Hang on to your hats boyz... March 5th is the day this will all make sense.

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11-28-2013, 08:19 AM
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How cute... Desharnais is playing well and we still bash him.

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11-28-2013, 08:21 AM
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OK, so I missed the last game (jet lag), and to my shock... Desharnais, Gallagher, and Pacioretty got 4:55 of power play time?

...

lol.

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11-28-2013, 08:22 AM
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I noticed the irregularities on the PP : there's no way he's not being showcased. If it's not the case it doesn't have any sense. Where's the team concept ?

Again I'm fine with his play since approx 10 days. He's actually a threat in the O zone so I don't mind him on the PP, but not at the expense of the 2 other lines ...
I don't think that Bergevin wants to showcase Desharnais. I think that management sees Desharnais as their franchise forward, the player they want to build the team around.

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11-28-2013, 08:24 AM
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I don't think that Bergevin wants to showcase Desharnais. I think that management sees Desharnais as their franchise forward, the player they want to build the team around.
this team and lineups are already de-facto built around him.

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11-28-2013, 08:26 AM
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I don't think that Bergevin wants to showcase Desharnais. I think that management sees Desharnais as their franchise forward, the player they want to build the team around.
There was that rumour Therrrien was cutting Subban's ice time to lower his negotiating power in contract talks. Maybe he's benching Eller's line for similar reasons.

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11-28-2013, 08:27 AM
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this team and lineups are already de-facto built around him.
Right, but some people think that's a temporary thing to boost his trade value. I don't think that it. I think that's Bergevin's long-term vision for the team is to structure it around DD's needs, and that it's likely that a lot of trades and possibly drafting will be based on the principal of maximising the strength of a team built around DD.

Start thinking of DD as the franchise forward.

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11-28-2013, 08:28 AM
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There was that rumour Therrrien was cutting Subban's ice time to lower his negotiating power in contract talks. Maybe he's benching Eller's line for similar reasons.
Considering how much Bergevin talks about character, it would not surprise me if he was so deeply lacking in character.

But right now, that's just speculation.

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11-28-2013, 08:29 AM
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OK, so I missed the last game (jet lag), and to my shock... Desharnais, Gallagher, and Pacioretty got 4:55 of power play time?

...

lol.
I guess this can be explained by the fact that any line centered by DD is a complete liability defensively at even strength. He's an absolute black hole in his own zone.

That being said, they looked good on the PP. The first goal was standard, but I liked the second goal. DD took advantage of the PKers being over aggressive at the point and found Gally open in the slot.

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11-28-2013, 08:33 AM
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I don't think that Bergevin wants to showcase Desharnais. I think that management sees Desharnais as their franchise forward, the player they want to build the team around.
Of course, his cap hit is so low... Suddenly it all makes sense

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11-28-2013, 01:27 PM
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you are right, DD had a OK game last night.
Points doesn't changed my opinion on him for last night games.

I' m happy about the win.....but i'm pissed about how many chances he got, and others players don't get half of it.

4:55 on the powerplay....not even a minute for any other forward on the team.
Nevermind that Galchenyuk and Plekanec are our best forward on the PP....he gets it all, and always with Subban and Markov!

I don't mind him getting some PP time, he diserve it lately.....but all of it....leaving every other player dry????????? Sorry, but that's not how you threat the players who are doing all the heavy lifting.

No other players got that treatment since the beginning of the year.
PP time was aalways split mostly equally. Even DD got a lot of it in his bad strech to help him out.

Do we give some to Galchenyuk to help him.....no!
Do we give some to Eller, who's responsible for the only 5-on-5 goal?....no!
Do we give some to Plekanec who's doing all the heavy lifting?....no!

Who's getting it all?
The 2 players who had a really bad year until a couple of games.

But that's working.....and that's okay.
Not sure every players are happy about it....

One thing we do know now: Without tons of PP, the 2 best wingers, tons of O-zone start , and no defensive missions......DD is totally useless!!

It's hard to look bad when you play 1/3 of your game on the Powerplay.....
Our powerplay looked amazing last night. Who cares who got the ice-time? They earned a lot of the ice-time by keeping the puck in the zone. Should they have cleared the puck, on themselves, to change lines?

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OK, so I missed the last game (jet lag), and to my shock... Desharnais, Gallagher, and Pacioretty got 4:55 of power play time?

...

lol.
You didn't watch the game but your commenting on how it transpired?

...

lol.

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11-28-2013, 01:46 PM
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Right, but some people think that's a temporary thing to boost his trade value. I don't think that it. I think that's Bergevin's long-term vision for the team is to structure it around DD's needs, and that it's likely that a lot of trades and possibly drafting will be based on the principal of maximising the strength of a team built around DD.

Start thinking of DD as the franchise forward.
You are the franchise user or those boards.

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11-28-2013, 01:48 PM
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You didn't watch the game but your commenting on how it transpired?

...

lol.
Especially since all three were actually pretty good on the PP. Markov-Subban pairing really makes the opposition crap their pant, so they play it so high it's basically a permanent 3 on 2

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11-28-2013, 01:53 PM
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I want DD out of town like most Habs fans. But I have no problem giving that line almost 5 mins of PP time. They were effective, generated scoring chances, and they even scored, twice!

Also as a MT hater, I think this was well played. Buffalo is the worst team in the NHL, that line is playing very effectively on the PP, why not play them, give them confidence?

I was happy with the boring game last night. Playing the worst team should be boring, they should never have a chance to win.

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you are right, DD had a OK game last night.
Points doesn't changed my opinion on him for last night games.

I' m happy about the win.....but i'm pissed about how many chances he got, and others players don't get half of it.

4:55 on the powerplay....not even a minute for any other forward on the team.
Nevermind that Galchenyuk and Plekanec are our best forward on the PP....he gets it all, and always with Subban and Markov!

I don't mind him getting some PP time, he diserve it lately.....but all of it....leaving every other player dry????????? Sorry, but that's not how you threat the players who are doing all the heavy lifting.

No other players got that treatment since the beginning of the year.
PP time was aalways split mostly equally. Even DD got a lot of it in his bad strech to help him out.

Do we give some to Galchenyuk to help him.....no!
Do we give some to Eller, who's responsible for the only 5-on-5 goal?....no!
Do we give some to Plekanec who's doing all the heavy lifting?....no!

Who's getting it all?
The 2 players who had a really bad year until a couple of games.

But that's working.....and that's okay.
Not sure every players are happy about it....

One thing we do know now: Without tons of PP, the 2 best wingers, tons of O-zone start , and no defensive missions......DD is totally useless!!

It's hard to look bad when you play 1/3 of your game on the Powerplay.....

And he will be totally useless come playoff time when the NHL Changes all of its rules (stupid I know)

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11-28-2013, 02:02 PM
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I want DD out of town like most Habs fans. But I have no problem giving that line almost 5 mins of PP time. They were effective, generated scoring chances, and they even scored, twice!

Also as a MT hater, I think this was well played. Buffalo is the worst team in the NHL, that line is playing very effectively on the PP, why not play them, give them confidence?

I was happy with the boring game last night. Playing the worst team should be boring, they should never have a chance to win.
I thought they lacked creativity, especially with Subban and Markov being closely watched. They just stand still with very little movement and passing to each other ... but yes they were effective so I have nothing to complaint.

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11-28-2013, 02:19 PM
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Our powerplay looked amazing last night. Who cares who got the ice-time? They earned a lot of the ice-time by keeping the puck in the zone. Should they have cleared the puck, on themselves, to change lines?

lol.
No, but why put them always first on the PP.
Hope you know it was the first points of DD this year on the PP....not like he was a PP specialist or anything.

But like i said, it's just a question of principle. DD got massive chances, he never diserve to be put with Gallagher in the first place, he never diserve PP time this season, it's been given to him even if he was awful in the beginning this season.

Therrien wanted to help him, fine!

But now, Plekanec's line and Eller's line have a little bit of problem on the ice....a little help would've been nice for their confidence, just like it was for DD...but they got none!! And those players actually did something this year!

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you are right, DD had a OK game last night.
Points doesn't changed my opinion on him for last night games.

I' m happy about the win.....but i'm pissed about how many chances he got, and others players don't get half of it.

4:55 on the powerplay....not even a minute for any other forward on the team.
Nevermind that Galchenyuk and Plekanec are our best forward on the PP....he gets it all, and always with Subban and Markov!

I don't mind him getting some PP time, he diserve it lately.....but all of it....leaving every other player dry????????? Sorry, but that's not how you threat the players who are doing all the heavy lifting.

No other players got that treatment since the beginning of the year.
PP time was aalways split mostly equally. Even DD got a lot of it in his bad strech to help him out.

Do we give some to Galchenyuk to help him.....no!
Do we give some to Eller, who's responsible for the only 5-on-5 goal?....no!
Do we give some to Plekanec who's doing all the heavy lifting?....no!

Who's getting it all?
The 2 players who had a really bad year until a couple of games.

But that's working.....and that's okay.
Not sure every players are happy about it....

One thing we do know now: Without tons of PP, the 2 best wingers, tons of O-zone start , and no defensive missions......DD is totally useless!!

It's hard to look bad when you play 1/3 of your game on the Powerplay.....
Bang on.

DD gets blatant special treatment because he is a "local boy" and its disgusting.

That's on management... not on him.

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Eller and Gally never got a true chance to show their stuff on the PP...

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I thought they lacked creativity, especially with Subban and Markov being closely watched. They just stand still with very little movement and passing to each other ... but yes they were effective so I have nothing to complaint.
This is exactly why I will save praise for an effective game against a true opponent, they didn't reinvent the wheel, but you shouldn't need to against one of the worst teams in the NHL.

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