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01-02-2007, 12:56 PM
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owners doing it again

On the hotstove on the weekend they chatted about owners squacking that there
is no movement because of the capped out teams. Most want to make deals but
they cant financially most have nearly capped out their salaries. But once again
they go in the offseason and spend like drunken sailors on players NOT WORTH IT.
It`s the same broken record , year in year out , cry poor , and the SAME DUMB MISTAKES ALL OVER AGAIN. Sorry owners KUBINA is not a 5 million player, McCbae
is a power play specialist , a defensive liability . IF YOU ARE GOING TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT , SIGN AN IMPACT GAME CHANGING HORSE LIKE PRONGER OR NEIDERMAYER, NOT KUBINA AT 85% of thier money. Who cares about a bidding war if you aren`t going to win the war. What is Jovo going to do in Phoenix when they stink? Same for tbay with Richards , when you have 12 mil with 2 other forwards.
sorry folks souray , bidding war or not is not 5-6 MILLION DOLLAR PLAYER, Niedermayer might be a first ballot hall of famer, same with Pronger , SOURAY , ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Regardless of the market place , I don`t pay Sheldon a dime over KOIVU ,same for Markov , we have a great cap team right now, I don`t see Bob getting involved in a stupid bidding war.

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If you don't see Gainey go in a bidding war, why do you care? Let the other team have financial restreints for the next five years, if anything, it helps the Canadiens. Also, sometimes those signings to tend to work out, like Marc Savard and Zdeno Chara. You might think the bidding wars and negociations are an imaginary occurance, but they're very real. Players like Niedermayer have the luxury of knowing every team wants them and every team is willing to give the necessary money to get them. In other words, he choses where he goes like he did.


Also, was Pronger a UFA? No. And for the love of god, basic presentation please.

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If you don't see Gainey go in a bidding war, why do you care?
I don't see him going in a bidding war, but I totally see him giving too much $$ to a player. Just look at Theo, Huet, Bouillon,... And that's what I'm afraid of when you know that Markov, Sourray, Rivet and Komisarek are going UFA.

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I don't see him going in a bidding war, but I totally see him giving too much $$ to a player. Just look at Theo, Huet, Bouillon,... And that's what I'm afraid of when you know that Markov, Sourray, Rivet and Komisarek are going UFA.

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i came in this thread thinking something else entirely. the title is quite misleading

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3M$ after only a half season and a OK playoff... I'm not saying he's not worthing it now, but at this time, I don't think he was worthing 3M$.

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3M$ after only a half season and a OK playoff... I'm not saying he's not worthing it now, but at this time, I don't think he was worthing 3M$.
You realize that it's not purely Gainey's decision on how much money a player gets, Gainey could of offered 2.5mil and Huet might of been asking for 3.5 and they settled in the middle.

And anyways, thus far....

Huet's performance is equal and even superior to his salary...

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You realize that it's not purely Gainey's decision on how much money a player gets, Gainey could of offered 2.5mil and Huet might of been asking for 3.5 and they settled in the middle.
Yeah! And that's where I'm a little bit afraid of Gainey's ability to negociate.


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Huet's performance is equal and even superior to his salary...
Luckily! It could have been like Theo though.

I was not criticizing Gainey, I was only saying that with Souray, Rivet, Markov and Komi UFA's situation and the tendency of Gainey to be generous, we could be in trouble.

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Komisarek's not an impending UFA, if that's what you're implying.

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Komisarek's not an impending UFA, if that's what you're implying.
Well, there's still Markov, Souray and Rivet...

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Yeah! And that's where I'm a little bit afraid of Gainey's ability to negociate.




Luckily! It could have been like Theo though.

I was not criticizing Gainey, I was only saying that with Souray, Rivet, Markov and Komi UFA's situation and the tendency of Gainey to be generous, we could be in trouble.
I agree...i'm especially concerned with the Rivet situation.

IMO, he's a player with diminishing skills, last year was his career year and he likely will never approach those numbers or have that same consistency he showed last year. However, he's a respected veteran and a lifelong Hab, who'll most likely command around 3mil/yr...

Signing a player like that hurts your cap situation.

With Markov it's different because his career is still on the upswing...same with Souray IMO, although his PP goals inflate his worth.

So i'm not concerned with Gainey spending alot of money on either of Markov or Souray because both players still have some good years left IMO.

I'll compare it to the signing of Bouillon last year, how necessary was it to throw almost 2mil/yr at Bouillon when he's plateaud in terms of development and hasn't showed he's capable of being more than a # 6 dman in the NHL, especially considering you have a player in Streit who's equal to Bouillon in terms of NHL potential, but he's at a fraction of the price. Gainey got hustled into that deal because Bouillon is a francophone and crowd favorite, because there's no other city in the NHL that Bouillon gets that much money...

I'm not worried about Gainey signing the big guns, i'm more worried on how he handles the others, because overpaying for them can prove just as costly as overpaying for some high priced talent.

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You make your decisions based on the information you have today, because anything can happen in the future. Noone thought Theo would become a Lemon, just like noone can predict if Souray will regress next season, but his value TODAY is somewhere around $5m.

Remember, Nieds, Pronger etc would pull in over $10m/season I would think if we didn't have a cap. Anyway, while you haven't really proposed an idea or argument in this thread, I do agree that UFA contracts are generally inflated from the bidding process.

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