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12-01-2013, 01:56 PM
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Is Vigneault currently screwing with Miller by playing him in the bottom 6 and then demoting him? Or does Miller just need more work?
AV is scum! He's ruining JT Miller! Free the beast!

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I agree that Stepan does not dictate play in a manner that either Nash or Kreider can, but, he's a smart player that sees the ice very well, and, that's why he fits in well with both of them.
Putting Nash on Stepan's wing opens up a TON of space for Stepan to make plays with the puck. As much as I like Zuccarello, Nash is 10x the player he is. Stepan is the better than Richards at this point, so he's earned the right to play with our best winger - I love what AV has done thus far, for the most part, but I don't know why he didn't put these players together earlier. Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello was a decent line, but it always made more sense to put Nash on that line, when healthy.

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12-01-2013, 02:00 PM
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Well, while Miller does need more work, he is better suited to playing center.
I don't see how that is relevant to my point. Vigneault isn't abusin Miller right now anymore than Torts was apparently abusing Kreider. In the minds of some here, the appropriate way to develop a young forward is to just hand him big minutes before he's earned it.

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12-01-2013, 02:01 PM
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AV is scum! He's ruining JT Miller! Free the beast!
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Right now, at his age, Stepan is either a mediocre #1 center or an elite 2nd line center. Essentially a "1b" as people like to say.

Richards is performing at a similar level, though he is more crucial to the power play and is no longer a defensive presence or penalty killer the way Stepan is.

Where Krdier fits int he lineup is a product of what pivot he works best with. A previous poster said it best when suggesting Kreider on his game is a better fit for the top line than is Hagelin. Hagelin can be effective in a bottom 6 role, whereas this is questionable for Kreider.

Richards-Brassard-Callahan, Kreider-Stepan-Nash works for now. It does somewhat leave Zuccarello and Hagelin in the cold offensively, but this is what happens when teams have depth.
I wish we could have Zuccarello and Callahan in the bottom 6 and Hagelin in the top 6. Doesn't quite work out unless Richards is on RW, but Hags is one of our best ES wingers and Zucc and Cally both contribute majorly on the PP with their offense.

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12-01-2013, 02:06 PM
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12-01-2013, 02:07 PM
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Putting Nash on Stepan's wing opens up a TON of space for Stepan to make plays with the puck. As much as I like Zuccarello, Nash is 10x the player he is. Stepan is the better than Richards at this point, so he's earned the right to play with our best winger - I love what AV has done thus far, for the most part, but I don't know why he didn't put these players together earlier. Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello was a decent line, but it always made more sense to put Nash on that line, when healthy.
That line was one of our best lines in terms of play since the Jagr line, if not the best, for a while. They just couldn't finish. Putting Nash on a different line made sense. When he came back the Rangers had 2 lines rolling. It made sense to make 3 dangerous lines. Later the Richards line fell of a cliff, but the Kreider-Stepan-Zucc line was still decent enough. It's just sometimes dangerous to put all of your best players on one line. However, if that line is consistent it's better than what we saw before yesterday's game. 1 good line is better than none. That said, it's still not the Cash line or something that had 3 all star caliber players. Nash is the only borderline superstar on that line. So I see that line going through slumps too. That said Stepan and Nash was our best combo last year and Kreider is better than anyone we had at wing last year including Gaborik.

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To put it back even further on topic, recently Kreider has looked more like the fellow who accomplished nothing and looked lost.

I am rooting for him (everyone is), but recently he has been a piece of garbage, as big as any of them.

Hopefully, today will mark the turnaround back to the player we all saw for a couple of weeks. We must all root for this turnaround or Bernmeister might start crying, and as funny as that would be, I am more concerned about players playing well for the Rangers than laughing at a poster bent on patting himself on the back.
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Underline: 1. Not gonna happen, Kreider is off and running any odd bad game or short streak aside.
2. I did not bend, buckle and break under the stupidity of many fighting tooth and nail to move Kreider, for less than a desirable price. There is nothing short of injury that would have me sad about Kreider.

And for the 5% extremists, haters gonna hate, you know who you are, with your ,

in closing I have just this to say....

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I don't see how that is relevant to my point. Vigneault isn't abusin Miller right now anymore than Torts was apparently abusing Kreider. In the minds of some here, the appropriate way to develop a young forward is to just hand him big minutes before he's earned it.
It's relevant in that AV is not putting Miller in a position to be successful, in the same manner that Tortorella handled Kreider last year. Not every coach believes a young player has to "earn" big minutes. Sometimes, a coach is apt to put players in position to succeed, in order to get the most out of their abilities.

Understand that my feelings about Miller when hr was drafted was that he should have left to develop in the OHL, and that the Rangers may have rushed him, so, him spending time in AHL is not a problem to me. However, when he comes back, I want him at center, since he is best suited to play that position.

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Putting Nash on Stepan's wing opens up a TON of space for Stepan to make plays with the puck. As much as I like Zuccarello, Nash is 10x the player he is. Stepan is the better than Richards at this point, so he's earned the right to play with our best winger - I love what AV has done thus far, for the most part, but I don't know why he didn't put these players together earlier. Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello was a decent line, but it always made more sense to put Nash on that line, when healthy.
Those were my feelings, also. I guess AV decided to squeeze whatever remaining production he could get out of that trio before realizing he needed to make the switch.

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Change thread title to "Bermeisters thread of glory" pls.
No need. Can use that as a subheading on next Kreider thread!

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It's relevant in that AV is not putting Miller in a position to be successful, in the same manner that Tortorella handled Kreider last year. Not every coach believes a young player has to "earn" big minutes. Sometimes, a coach is apt to put players in position to succeed, in order to get the most out of their abilities.

Understand that my feelings about Miller when hr was drafted was that he should have left to develop in the OHL, and that the Rangers may have rushed him, so, him spending time in AHL is not a problem to me. However, when he comes back, I want him at center, since he is best suited to play that position.
I happen to agree with you about Miller at C.

My larger point is that a coach demoting a young player is not evidence that he hates him, or any of the other nonsense that's been spouted in this thread.

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12-01-2013, 02:16 PM
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I happen to agree with you about Miller at C.

My larger point is that a coach demoting a young player is not evidence that he hates him, or any of the other nonsense that's been spouted in this thread.
Fair enough...I never thought Tortorella hated Kreider. I just thought in a strike-shortened it appeared he believed couldn't trust him.

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Fair enough...I never thought Tortorella hated Kreider. I just thought in a strike-shortened it appeared he believed couldn't trust him.
Well I wasn't talking about you when I referred to the nonsense in this thread.

I don't think Torts should have trusted Kreider last year, he wasn't that good last year, and it sounds like the ankle injury really held him back. Vigneault didn't trust him until the recall from Hartfard.

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Is it silly to have Kreider in consideration for Team USA? He currently stands at 20th in United States forwards in points with 3-7 less games played than those ahead of him and 4th in USA left wingers. It is a very small sample size, especially after a great performance from the Kreider-Stepan-Nash line which we will get to see more of in the games to come.

I'll look back to this thought in about 5 more games or so and reevaluate this suggestion, but I don't think its out of the question that he could be wearing our countries colors in Sochi.

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Is it silly to have Kreider in consideration for Team USA? He currently stands at 20th in United States forwards in points with 3-7 less games played than those ahead of him and 4th in USA left wingers. It is a very small sample size, especially after a great performance from the Kreider-Stepan-Nash line which we will get to see more of in the games to come.

I'll look back to this thought in about 5 more games or so and reevaluate this suggestion, but I don't think its out of the question that he could be wearing our countries colors in Sochi.
Not at all. The nashville GM said that they are looking at Kreider. If he has a big December he might have a shot considering they pick the rosters in january

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It would be a risky pick, but if you think this is the real Chris Kreider, then you have to consider him. He's been arguably the best American forward on the Rangers' roster over the last month, and there are two surefire Olympians on the Rangers top nine. Again, it's risky because making any decision based on a small sample is risky, but if you think it's real (and I do)...

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Kreider on a large ice surface is something that could be bandied about, he'd have more room to beat defenders up the wing.

Still, team USA has a very deep set of two-way, phyisical, and scoring wingers, so it would be an uphill battle.

Chris does deserve a little bit of credit for playing so often for the USA World Championships team while still in college (How many people do that? not many.)

I'm not a USA homer at the club level (root like hell in international games though), but it is nice to see just how many USA players are on the NYR roster.

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I agree that Stepan does not dictate play in a manner that either Nash or Kreider can, but, he's a smart player that sees the ice very well, and, that's why he fits in well with both of them.
Oh, definitely. Completely agreed.

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I agree that Stepan does not dictate play in a manner that either Nash or Kreider can, but, he's a smart player that sees the ice very well, and, that's why he fits in well with both of them.
And he creates turnovers. That first Kreider goal started with Stepan taking the puck from Edler.

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Not at all. The nashville GM said that they are looking at Kreider. If he has a big December he might have a shot considering they pick the rosters in january
I didn't know that so all the more reason to believe in such a possibility. I don't want to overhype the kid because I know he's still learning and whatnot. I've always been on the Kreider bandwagon even when it seemed like hope was being lost because I don't think even the biggest of Kreider lovers saw this coming.

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I concur with this. Even with my argument related to point totals. The guy was all over yesterday and I noticed him in every shift without even trying to look for him. Watching the NHL.com highlights from yesterdays game alone, you'll hear his name 9 times through the video for all the scoring chances he created for himself. Even when not getting on the board, he's playing the body and is playing a solid game all around.

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And why was there nothing going on in the first place?

exxxxxxxactly - Tortorella did a number on this kid.

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I hope this is a sign of having a legit line 1. Kreider-Stepan-Nash could work, its a monstrous line. Get a sniper for the second line and the offense improves right away. This is just a thought, not including trades to get this player or anything. Top 6 that would work imo

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Cammalleri-Brassard-Zuccarello

I spelled Cammalleri wrong i think and that 2nd line might be small but i think that top 6 can score goals.

3rd line of Hagelin-Richards-Callahan

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And why was there nothing going on in the first place?

exxxxxxxactly - Tortorella did a number on this kid.
Yeah, it's not possible that a 21/22 year old kid - especially an injured one - just hadn't figured the pace and timing of the NHL game yet, it must be someone's fault. Remember kids, the most likely explanations are never the best, look for scandal and subterfuge wherever you can; you'll always find it if you squint hard enough and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

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I hope this is a sign of having a legit line 1. Kreider-Stepan-Nash could work, its a monstrous line. Get a sniper for the second line and the offense improves right away. This is just a thought, not including trades to get this player or anything. Top 6 that would work imo

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Cammalleri-Brassard-Zuccarello

I spelled Cammalleri wrong i think and that 2nd line might be small but i think that top 6 can score goals.

3rd line of Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
We definetly need another scorer for the 2nd line. Not sure if MDZ and a 1st will be enough since Del Zotto hasnt had a good year

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