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12-03-2013, 02:23 PM
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First of all, the idea that Therrien consistently benches guys who aren't playing well is ridiculous. Secondly, no you shouldn't and there shouldn't be exceptions to the rule because there shouldn't be a rule set in stone in the first place, every player should be treated slightly differently and play under a slightly different set of rules (Parcells philosophy). Finally would you bench Crosby in the third down a goal if he had a couple bad periods or was on a 2-3 game pointless streak? Of course not, so that's not how it should work and there should be exceptions.
When Galchenyuk reaches Crosby status he can have different consideration from this rule but until then he'll have to live with it. Plus the point streak rut wasn't the issue with Chucky, it went a lot deeper in his play than that.

It took a little bit to get Desharnais benched but he eventually missed whole games and has since turned it around. (Whether that's the reason or not doesn't really matter)

In fairness to Bouillon, the majority of his mistakes come in situations he shouldn't have been put him in the first place. He's been a very reliable #6-7 D-Man when used as such. Therrien could be blamed for that one for putting him in a position to fail.

Even Subban has taken some extended bench time and has responded by being much more responsible defensively and getting himself back to his full abilities offensively too.

Fact of the matter is that the system works. I agree with you that every situation is different but only in the way of threshold and not in complete exemptions from rules.

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And those spam picture posts are getting really annoying. Don't be surprised when some of you get hit with warnings/infractions. You all know the rules.

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One of the key plays during the game was Price's save on Ryder right before AGally's goal. Wish there was more angles of that one.

Also loved PK knocking a puck in mid air above the blue paint right out of the zone... Damn.

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that is a douchie move. what the heck is that? buddy paid for his seat too. It should never be allowed. if he did this on his own....fire him. If this happens all the time by alot of them, then shame on Molson
Could the guy had been doing something before all this happened? Bothering other patrons, long before the goal celebration? Seemed very strange for the usher to do this??

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For the 10th time, people. he was standing on the ****ing chair.

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For the 10th time, people. he was standing on the ****ing chair.
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For the 10th time, people. he was standing on the ****ing chair.
i really cant believe THAt many people were going nuts about something THIS insignificant.....

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When Galchenyuk reaches Crosby status he can have different consideration from this rule but until then he'll have to live with it. Plus the point streak rut wasn't the issue with Chucky, it went a lot deeper in his play than that.
Could you maybe elaborate on these deep running, fundamental issues that Galchenyuk has had? Then maybe explain how punishing them is more important than:

(1) rewarding him for being tied for 2nd on the team in scoring?
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(2) rewarding him for being part of the only functional offensive line the team had for quite a stretch during the early part of the season?
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(3) giving him a little leeway for being 19, playing out of position, and having effective wingers taken off his line and assigned to DD?

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It took a little bit to get Desharnais benched but he eventually missed whole games and has since turned it around. (Whether that's the reason or not doesn't really matter)
So, for you, taking one bad penalty and getting immediately benched is just a little harsher than getting scratched for one game after being given the previous 19 games to play with the best players the team has to offer, while getting heavy offensive starts and near guaranteed PP time?

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In fairness to Bouillon, the majority of his mistakes come in situations he shouldn't have been put him in the first place. He's been a very reliable #6-7 D-Man when used as such. Therrien could be blamed for that one for putting him in a position to fail.
So Bouillon failing is the coaches fault for playing him incorrectly, but playing a 19 year old Center as a Wing is irrelevant to the punishment Galchenyuk should receive for making the slightest mistake?

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Even Subban has taken some extended bench time and has responded by being much more responsible defensively and getting himself back to his full abilities offensively too.
So Subban's Norris was the product of Therrien's coaching?

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Fact of the matter is that the system works. I agree with you that every situation is different but only in the way of threshold and not in complete exemptions from rules.
Problem is that the thresholds are worlds apart! Like I said, "1 bad penalty and you're benched" is a pretty galaxy-spanning different threshold than "play 19 games without producing ANYTHING, while you get the best wingers the team can give you, and start in the o-zone as much as you can, while every PP has your name on it, and if you still don't produce, you won't play for 1 game"

Also, you basically gave Bouillon an exemption, didn't you? He makes mistakes, but that's because of the way he's used by the coach, so that's on the coach. Seems this "rule" has some pretty wide-ranging exceptions and mitigations...

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Wow. Bruins board is already on page 5 of it's pre-game talk for Thursday's game! We're still in our Monday post-game thread, waiting for our Wednesday game thread!



Edit : Gotta admit that CamFan81 came out with a pretty funny gif!

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i really cant believe THAt many people were going nuts about something THIS insignificant.....
People were even complaining on the main board. One guy said he would have 'defended himself'.

Reaching my weekly keyboard warrior threshold and it's only tuesday.

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Wow. Bruins board is already on page 5 of it's pre-game talk for Thursday's game! We're still in our Monday post-game thread, waiting for our Wednesday game thread!



Edit : Gotta admit that CamFan81 came out with a pretty funny gif!
LOL, just saw it.

There is another one by Alicat on the same page.

For those who want to see them, you'll find all three here: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1549965&page=3

A 4th by CamFan81, here, stealing from Miley: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1549965&page=5

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Bruins fans are hilarious...meanwhile the Habs play 3 in 4 nights, and the Bruins with their first in 5 nights...what will their excuse be this time?? They will not be tired, that's for sure...
Marchand will be stopped at the Can/US border, for trying to bring all of his diving gear into Canada...

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Could you maybe elaborate on these deep running, fundamental issues that Galchenyuk has had? Then maybe explain how punishing them is more important than:

(1) rewarding him for being tied for 2nd on the team in scoring?
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(2) rewarding him for being part of the only functional offensive line the team had for quite a stretch during the early part of the season?
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(3) giving him a little leeway for being 19, playing out of position, and having effective wingers taken off his line and assigned to DD?

Once Gallagher was removed from the "Kids Line", that line has been struggling to remove itself from the rut that it is in. Is it strictly on Chucky to do so? Of course not but in these last few games even Chucky has looked defeated. For him to play well he needs to use his finishing instinct which recently has been missing. It will return but he'll have to earn it back.

As for the Toronto game, Chucky failed to show up for the first two periods and spent most of the third watching. That's something Therrien has done many times in the past (Briere, Subban, and Ryder come to mind) with always some degree of success. Chucky is simply expected to move forward and continue developing. This is less of a punishment than a wake-up call from the Big League. The key will be how he answers the challenge.

Chucky is 19, all the more reason to not have extra leeway in his play. If he was a veteran you can give him a chance to play out of a slump with their experience but Chucky simply does not have much experience to fall back on. Sometimes you just have to put the training wheels back on for a little bit for the player to regain his confidence instead of kicking him while he's down and putting him in a position of guaranteed failure.

As for "Being part of the only functioning offensive line", this is becoming more and more apparent that the reason was Gallagher. Not that Eller and Chucky were bad but once he left the spark was gone from the line. Not to mention that Gally restarted the seasons of both DD and Patches.


So, for you, taking one bad penalty and getting immediately benched is just a little harsher than getting scratched for one game after being given the previous 19 games to play with the best players the team has to offer, while getting heavy offensive starts and near guaranteed PP time?

Who exactly is this best player Desharnais had during his slump? Are you referring to Patches? The one who missed a few games to injury by which time DD was on the 4th line half the time. Not to mention he also had Bourque on his line so 3 slumping players together will not like snap their skid. Should the punishment have been more severe on DD? Yeah but eventually the wake-up call got to him.

So Bouillon failing is the coaches fault for playing him incorrectly, but playing a 19 year old Center as a Wing is irrelevant to the punishment Galchenyuk should receive for making the slightest mistake?

So you want a 19 year old to have to take on all the responsibilities of being an NHL center? He's been somewhere around average defensively at a much more straightforward position to play in your own zone but you would rather do trial by fire to our best offensive hope?

As for Bouillon, what I mean is that when he is mishandled it is because he is given too many responsibilities. Therefore, to answer your question, if Chucky had the same problem (being given too many responsibilities too early say at center) that would also be a coaching problem more than the player's problem.


So Subban's Norris was the product of Therrien's coaching?

Subban doesn't get the Norris if his offensive numbers weren't that good. The trophy goes to him because of his talent (on both sides of the ice) and less by coaching but he had a problem with puck responsibility in his own zone that had to be addressed. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Subban on a bad day in my zone than Letang or Karlsson but Subban was capable of so much more and was being too reckless with the puck. The message was sent with little to no PK time and judging by Subban's and Therrien's comments as well as Subban's recent play, the message was well received.

Problem is that the thresholds are worlds apart! Like I said, "1 bad penalty and you're benched" is a pretty galaxy-spanning different threshold than "play 19 games without producing ANYTHING, while you get the best wingers the team can give you, and start in the o-zone as much as you can, while every PP has your name on it, and if you still don't produce, you won't play for 1 game"

There was little positive in Chucky's game from the point Gally was removed from his line. This all culminated to two awful periods against TOR and an eventual benching for a period. The penalty had less to do with the benching than the fact that Chucky was out for both goals against and showed no push in the offensive zone. Let's call that the Michael Ryder Syndrome. If you don't do anything to earn your ice time, why should you be given any when the game is on the line?

If Patches had been healthy the whole time you would have an argument but DD got some of the scraps for wingers during his slump as well so that also played a part in it.


Also, you basically gave Bouillon an exemption, didn't you? He makes mistakes, but that's because of the way he's used by the coach, so that's on the coach. Seems this "rule" has some pretty wide-ranging exceptions and mitigations...

Not at all, when Bouillon returned to 3rd Pairing minutes his play has been as good as any of our other defencemen in our zone. He can play the third pairing and still be a valuable member of the team. However, if he is given more time (top 4 minutes) or PP time he tends to show the weaknesses everyone likes to complain about. However, how would either of these things be Bouillon's fault? It's not like he asks for it, he simply takes what he is given by the coaches. In fairness, with our lack of depth at D-Men at one point the coaches had no choice to but to set Bouillon to fail.

If the coaches were to put Chucky at center like you suggest, his eventual failures in his own zone could be blamed on the coaches for expecting too much out of him. However, as it stands, his defensive responsibilities are being kept to a minimum while he plays 3rd line minutes (fairly easier minutes than on a higher line) and is still struggling to perform. Even this game, he got a goal but apart for that did not exactly have that good of a game.
In conclusion, DD and Bouillon are vets and were given more of a chance to recover than Chucky. Personally I think DD was given a little too long but at the same time it's not like he was given much of a chance to succeed with a slumping or injured Patches and a streaky Bourque to play with. Regardless, DD has now turned it around at least for now and is contributing to the team on both ends of the ice.

Patience is all fans need to have with Chucky. It will come to him eventually and he will then become a star. The key is to take it one step at a time not to trip over his development.

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Once Gallagher was removed from the "Kids Line", that line has been struggling to remove itself from the rut that it is in. Is it strictly on Chucky to do so? Of course not but in these last few games even Chucky has looked defeated. For him to play well he needs to use his finishing instinct which recently has been missing. It will return but he'll have to earn it back.
Gallagher has what, 1 point since joining Desharnais' line? Wouldn't a more plausible explanation for the lowered production of Eller and Galchenyuk be that they've been given guys like Prust and Bourque to work with?

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As for the Toronto game, Chucky failed to show up for the first two periods and spent most of the third watching. That's something Therrien has done many times in the past (Briere, Subban, and Ryder come to mind) with always some degree of success. Chucky is simply expected to move forward and continue developing. This is less of a punishment than a wake-up call from the Big League. The key will be how he answers the challenge.
Then if benching has happened to both rookies (Galchenyuk) and veterans (Briere, Subban, and Ryder) and has been accompanied by "some degree of success" the question remains: why is Desharnais the lone exception? Indeed, why was his "wake up call" the exact opposite (more playing time, better quality playing time, better linemates) than everyone else's?

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Chucky is 19, all the more reason to not have extra leeway in his play. If he was a veteran you can give him a chance to play out of a slump with their experience but Chucky simply does not have much experience to fall back on.
Wait, so now veterans get to play out of slumps? You just said that benching Briere, Subban, and Ryder for slumps was a winning formula, but now it isn't? Which veteran, aside from DD, has been allowed to play out of a slump? Also, since you pointed out that veterans are benched, what's the actual criteria for classifying players as "benched for slump" rather than "play through slump"?

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Sometimes you just have to put the training wheels back on for a little bit for the player to regain his confidence instead of kicking him while he's down and putting him in a position of guaranteed failure.
How is stapling a guy to the bench "putting the training wheels back on", and not "taking the bike away completely"?

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As for "Being part of the only functioning offensive line", this is becoming more and more apparent that the reason was Gallagher. Not that Eller and Chucky were bad but once he left the spark was gone from the line. Not to mention that Gally restarted the seasons of both DD and Patches.
So Desharnais' resurgence is due to Gallagher? So he's being rewarded for Gallagher's hard work? How generous!!

Also, as I pointed out above, Gallagher has been near invisible with Desharnais, so either way, not sure how saying Gallagher is responsible for Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, and Pacioretty means that Eller and Galchenyuk are plugs who clearly needed Gallagher, but Desharnais has earned his playing time and is a centerpiece of the team; again, seems like a nice double standard for DD.

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Who exactly is this best player Desharnais had during his slump? Are you referring to Patches? The one who missed a few games to injury by which time DD was on the 4th line half the time. Not to mention he also had Bourque on his line so 3 slumping players together will not like snap their skid. Should the punishment have been more severe on DD? Yeah but eventually the wake-up call got to him.
DD was given Pacioretty, Briere, Gallagher, Bourque, pretty much anyone who was ever considered an offensive threat. Also, DD was on the 4th line "half the time"? I must have missed those games, could you specify which games DD was given 4th line minutes for, I'd like to look them up and check out the ice time, especially to compare it to the ice time of Prust, who's been a common line mate for Galchenyuk and Eller...

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So you want a 19 year old to have to take on all the responsibilities of being an NHL center? He's been somewhere around average defensively at a much more straightforward position to play in your own zone but you would rather do trial by fire to our best offensive hope?
A few posts ago Galchenyuk was the product of Gallagher, now he's our best offensive hope? Which exactly is it? Also, yes, let's put him at center and let him learn the position, especially if the alternative being advocated is that somehow playing wing and getting benched for mistakes = learning the defensive aspects of playing Center.

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As for Bouillon, what I mean is that when he is mishandled it is because he is given too many responsibilities. Therefore, to answer your question, if Chucky had the same problem (being given too many responsibilities too early say at center) that would also be a coaching problem more than the player's problem.
And my argument is that he's given zero responsibility at the position we supposedly drafted him to play :/

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Subban doesn't get the Norris if his offensive numbers weren't that good. The trophy goes to him because of his talent (on both sides of the ice) and less by coaching but he had a problem with puck responsibility in his own zone that had to be addressed. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Subban on a bad day in my zone than Letang or Karlsson but Subban was capable of so much more and was being too reckless with the puck. The message was sent with little to no PK time and judging by Subban's and Therrien's comments as well as Subban's recent play, the message was well received.
I do wonder about this, but Subban's recent play does support your position.

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There was little positive in Chucky's game from the point Gally was removed from his line. This all culminated to two awful periods against TOR and an eventual benching for a period. The penalty had less to do with the benching than the fact that Chucky was out for both goals against and showed no push in the offensive zone. Let's call that the Michael Ryder Syndrome. If you don't do anything to earn your ice time, why should you be given any when the game is on the line?
And again, I ask why this logic applies for a bad 90 odd minutes when it comes to Galchenyuk, but only applies to DD after 19 full games? Honestly, that's a world of difference...

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If Patches had been healthy the whole time you would have an argument but DD got some of the scraps for wingers during his slump as well so that also played a part in it.
Scraps for wingers? We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point, no way I see DD as having had anything less than whichever winger was "hot" at the moment.

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Not at all, when Bouillon returned to 3rd Pairing minutes his play has been as good as any of our other defencemen in our zone. He can play the third pairing and still be a valuable member of the team. However, if he is given more time (top 4 minutes) or PP time he tends to show the weaknesses everyone likes to complain about. However, how would either of these things be Bouillon's fault? It's not like he asks for it, he simply takes what he is given by the coaches. In fairness, with our lack of depth at D-Men at one point the coaches had no choice to but to set Bouillon to fail.
I thought failure was the criteria? Play bad, you're benched, that's the rule. But now, failure can be qualified as circumstance dependent? Maybe, like playing out of your natural position, in defensive circumstances, with offensively challenged linemates like Prust?

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If the coaches were to put Chucky at center like you suggest, his eventual failures in his own zone could be blamed on the coaches for expecting too much out of him. However, as it stands, his defensive responsibilities are being kept to a minimum while he plays 3rd line minutes (fairly easier minutes than on a higher line) and is still struggling to perform. Even this game, he got a goal but apart for that did not exactly have that good of a game.
The guy is tied with Plekanec and Markov for points on the team while playing, like you said, third line minutes; how is that struggling to perform? I thought Galchenyuk was drafted to be a #1, offensive center not a 2-way player? I also must have missed out on DD's relentless defensive talents, that justify his continued exclusive access to the Center position...

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Really, people? We've moved from the Subban-Therrien Controversy to the Galchenyuk-Therrien Controversy?

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Gallagher has what, 1 point since joining Desharnais' line? Wouldn't a more plausible explanation for the lowered production of Eller and Galchenyuk be that they've been given guys like Prust and Bourque to work with?

Desharnais had these same guys while trying to unblock as well as an equally slumping Patches who is also benefiting from Gallagher's play. Points aren't the only criteria for good play. Gallagher is doing all the dirty work taking that task off the shoulders of Patches and giving more room for DD to maneuver with the puck. This added time has allowed DD to be more creative in his play.

Then if benching has happened to both rookies (Galchenyuk) and veterans (Briere, Subban, and Ryder) and has been accompanied by "some degree of success" the question remains: why is Desharnais the lone exception? Indeed, why was his "wake up call" the exact opposite (more playing time, better quality playing time, better linemates) than everyone else's?

Like I said before, I think Therrien was not severe enough on DD but at the same time DD received a good amount of 4th line minutes as well as two games in the press box. The "wake-up" call I was referring to was the two games in the press box which are much more severe than just missing one period.

Wait, so now veterans get to play out of slumps? You just said that benching Briere, Subban, and Ryder for slumps was a winning formula, but now it isn't? Which veteran, aside from DD, has been allowed to play out of a slump? Also, since you pointed out that veterans are benched, what's the actual criteria for classifying players as "benched for slump" rather than "play through slump"?

Patches has also had a chance to play his way out of his substantial slump. Don't know but perhaps injuries played a role in his slump. As long as you are giving maximum visible effort, personally I think you should have a chance to beat your own slump. Ryder would be a prime example of the opposite though. Sure he led our team in points last year but he would go games without back-checking and general bad positioning in his zone. Points scored aren't the only criteria for playing well. The TOR game was an example of Chucky aiming for that path. (On top of not producing chances offensively)

How is stapling a guy to the bench "putting the training wheels back on", and not "taking the bike away completely"?

The benching is more the message than the training wheels. Going back to the basics in the future and remove some responsibilities from Chucky it the training wheels. His line did not see many PP minutes the game after and concentrated much more on 5v5 play.

So Desharnais' resurgence is due to Gallagher? So he's being rewarded for Gallagher's hard work? How generous!!

Not entirely Gally as some credit has to be given to DD and Patches but Gally is definitely doing the dirty work freeing up the former.

Also, as I pointed out above, Gallagher has been near invisible with Desharnais, so either way, not sure how saying Gallagher is responsible for Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, and Pacioretty means that Eller and Galchenyuk are plugs who clearly needed Gallagher, but Desharnais has earned his playing time and is a centerpiece of the team; again, seems like a nice double standard for DD.

Near invisible? Are you kidding? It's not difficult to find him as you just have to look in front of the net. Whether he is tying up the D-Men to open up space or screening the goalie from the puck, Gally has been doing the heavy lifting. Points are not the only criteria of a good hockey player.

Also, I never said Chucky and Eller are plugs. All I said is that what Gallagher is bringing to the DD line is what he brought to the Kids line. The dirty work was Gally's role on that line too and now that he is off of it the Kids line is having to find an alternative. If Bourque was willing to crash the net on every play I'm sure Eller and Chucky would find themselves much more productive. The problem that got Chucky benched though was the lack of responsibility back the other way.


DD was given Pacioretty, Briere, Gallagher, Bourque, pretty much anyone who was ever considered an offensive threat. Also, DD was on the 4th line "half the time"? I must have missed those games, could you specify which games DD was given 4th line minutes for, I'd like to look them up and check out the ice time, especially to compare it to the ice time of Prust, who's been a common line mate for Galchenyuk and Eller...

Look at the games at the end of October and early November. He took a mix of 3rd and 4th line minutes depending on the game. Also, a couple games before his statistical unblocking were actually very good games for him.

A few posts ago Galchenyuk was the product of Gallagher, now he's our best offensive hope? Which exactly is it? Also, yes, let's put him at center and let him learn the position, especially if the alternative being advocated is that somehow playing wing and getting benched for mistakes = learning the defensive aspects of playing Center.

Best hope and current best producer is a very different statement. Gally does everything with heart and determination. Chucky on the other hand is capable of moves most can only dream of. The ceiling is infinitely higher for Chucky than it is for Gally but that doesn't take away the fact that Gally can allow a player the space he needs to be great. (see Patches)

And my argument is that he's given zero responsibility at the position we supposedly drafted him to play :/

"Drafted him to play eventually". One, we have a log jam at the position and two, if he can't handle the defensive responsibilities of a winger which are much more simple than that of a center he is not yet ready. The switch to winger from center is, at least defensively, is a facilitation of duties compared with the other way around.

I do wonder about this, but Subban's recent play does support your position.



And again, I ask why this logic applies for a bad 90 odd minutes when it comes to Galchenyuk, but only applies to DD after 19 full games? Honestly, that's a world of difference...

The attitude towards the play, not being responsible on defence mostly, was more the reason for the benching for ONE period more than the results themselves. As for DD, I'll reiterate it one more time, I think Therrien was a little too lenient but he did get press boxed twice so he didn't get off without anything.

Scraps for wingers? We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point, no way I see DD as having had anything less than whichever winger was "hot" at the moment.

He had mostly Patches, Briere, and Bourque and only Bourque was coming on a hot streak which ended when he was lined with DD. Briere only saw success once he was separated from DD and promoted to play with Plek and Gio which is primarily the "Shutdown" line. Patches didn't see any success until Gally joined their line and took the "grinder" role off of his hands allowing him to be a sniper. (Also when DD unblocked) Moen also had a brief stint as well as Prust and neither of them helped. (Predictably)

I thought failure was the criteria? Play bad, you're benched, that's the rule. But now, failure can be qualified as circumstance dependent? Maybe, like playing out of your natural position, in defensive circumstances, with offensively challenged linemates like Prust?

Points are not the only qualification for success. There is no reason for a line with either Prust or Bourque as the third player the be the defensive liability of the team. (See especially the TOR game and benching)

The guy is tied with Plekanec and Markov for points on the team while playing, like you said, third line minutes; how is that struggling to perform? I thought Galchenyuk was drafted to be a #1, offensive center not a 2-way player? I also must have missed out on DD's relentless defensive talents, that justify his continued exclusive access to the Center position...

I'm not really going after Chucky's offensive ability as it will unblock eventually. He does have a good amount of points although most date back to having Gally with him.

If you want to be a true #1 Center you better be a two way player which Chucky still needs to work on. This is also why centers take longer to develop in general.

As for DD, during his slump (including a chunk of last year) I have to agree with you but since he has unblocked I have seen some very impressive back-checking from him as well more than adequate positioning.
To PricePKPatch, personally I don't see any controversy. Actually, to me, for all his failing at game management and game-planning, I think Therrien is doing a great job getting the most out of our younger players.

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Im still puzzled that people dont seem to understand the tl;dr concept

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Im still puzzled that people dont seem to understand the tl;dr concept
You mean the concept that you feel the need to respond but at the same time are too lazy to read a little bit of text?

Fine I'll give you a summary...

1. I say Therrien is handling Chucky just fine and that Chucky should be eased into his eventual #1 Center position.
2. Winter Eclipse says that Therrien is mishandling Chucky and that Chucky should be given more responsibilities immediately.

The rest is just evidence we have given to our positions.

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To PricePKPatch, personally I don't see any controversy. Actually, to me, for all his failing at game management and game-planning, I think Therrien is doing a great job getting the most out of our younger players.
To be fair, I didn't see a Therrien-Subban controversy either. I was frustrated with Therrien's use of PK, but I knew Subban would get his full icetime soo enough.

Same with your opinion: Chuckie is doing fine. He's a young man developping his game and confidence, he needs a bit of stick, is all.

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