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12-03-2013, 07:12 PM
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Quincey+Frk+Sproul+Sammy for Kulikov and Mathias.

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12-03-2013, 07:13 PM
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Does a simply swap of Del Zotto for Kulikov make sense?
Del Zotto: 23 years old, 115P in 271GP
Kulikov: 23 years old, 83P in 259GP

Del Zotto is better defensively too. The whole point of moving Del Zotto would be for a winger or a RHD. Makes no sense moving Del Zotto for a lesser player who is also left handed.

Doesn't make sense, imo. Not from the Rangers end, anyway.

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12-03-2013, 07:36 PM
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Yeah, and I covered them in the "might be middle six players, maybe" part.
What are you basing that on?

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12-03-2013, 07:38 PM
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What are you basing that on?
Mostly the fact that they're projected to be middle six (or #3-6 guys, or average starters/backups, for those who don't understand how to apply the "middle six" concept to other positions) players. None of them standout as anything special. Good depth/role players, for sure.

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12-03-2013, 07:39 PM
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Backlund and Knight for Kulikov sounds nice. And I enjoyed the post on the first page that said FLA is only weak at the center position and they still manage to let future prospects leave even though they got a 4th rounder.

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12-03-2013, 07:42 PM
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With LeBrun's suggestion that Florida is willing to deal him, I thought it was time for an all-purpose Kulikov thread.

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12-03-2013, 07:42 PM
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Mostly the fact that they're projected to be middle six (or #3-6 guys, or average starters/backups, for those who don't understand how to apply the "middle six" concept to other positions) players. None of them standout as anything special. Good depth/role players, for sure.
Don't know what Gilles has to do to impress u but what ever...,.

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12-03-2013, 07:47 PM
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Don't know what Gilles has to do to impress u but what ever...,.
He's a goalie on a college team. Sure he could be good, but lets wait til he at least hits the AHL. You can't project goalies out that far. He could just as easily bust.

Besides, I doubt FLA is interested in acquiring Gillies.

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12-03-2013, 07:58 PM
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Bobby Mac on Insider Trading said FLA is trying to get an auction going for him. ''Very aggressively shopping him.''

Video is on TSN.ca.
Kulikov makes aggressive mistakes. Those work themselves out. Sometimes not to their mid 20s but he shows flashes in every aspect. Teams will look at him for that same reason. The best fit would be a team with some established vets to help him along. Vancouver, Pittsburgh, etc.

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12-03-2013, 08:24 PM
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tsn.ca video Insider Trading - Bob McKenzie: The Florida Panthers are aggressively shopping Dmitry Kulikov and trying to get a auction going for the young 23 year old defenseman. The Panthers have had him available now for most of the year, but some teams have had second thoughts mainly because of his play. The second fear is that he is an RFA and may go back to his homeland, Russia.

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12-03-2013, 09:05 PM
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Mcginn for Kulikov?

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12-03-2013, 09:12 PM
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Del Zotto: 23 years old, 115P in 271GP
Kulikov: 23 years old, 83P in 259GP

Del Zotto is better defensively too. The whole point of moving Del Zotto would be for a winger or a RHD. Makes no sense moving Del Zotto for a lesser player who is also left handed.

Doesn't make sense, imo. Not from the Rangers end, anyway.
Pahdon? Lol

I really don't think that's true at all.

If I had a choice between the 2, it's Kulikov hands down. I'd be pretty surprised if most people didn't feel that way as well.

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12-03-2013, 09:16 PM
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Mcginn for Kulikov?
McGinn + what?

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12-03-2013, 09:19 PM
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Pahdon? Lol

I really don't think that's true at all.

If I had a choice between the 2, it's Kulikov hands down. I'd be pretty surprised if most people didn't feel that way as well.
I agree. Kulikov is without a doubt better than Del Zotto defensively.

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12-03-2013, 09:21 PM
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McGinn + what?
some of his furniture might come with him.
Hasn't Kulikov been awful this year?

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some of his furniture might come with him.
Hasn't Kulikov been awful this year?
Yeah, and McGinn has been lighting it up.

You're not getting Kulikov, a future top pairing guy, for McGinn, a career third liner, straight up.

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12-03-2013, 09:26 PM
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Yeah, and McGinn has been lighting it up.

You're not getting Kulikov, a future top pairing guy, for McGinn, a career third liner, straight up.
What makes Kulikov who has been so bad this year that he got scratched a future top pairing guy?

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12-03-2013, 09:28 PM
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What makes Kulikov who has been so bad this year that he got scratched a future top pairing guy?
Cause he's been a 30 point defender every year so far and he's 23? His potential is what makes him a future top pairing guy. What kind of question is that?

Yakupov has been scratched multiple times this year. Does that mean he's only worth a third liner?

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12-03-2013, 09:31 PM
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some of his furniture might come with him.
Hasn't Kulikov been awful this year?
He is what he is, he's known by many as Kulicough because he regularly coughs up the puck to the opposition.

Aggressive mistakes(mentioned above)? They're brain farts, not aggression. He can't hit the net on a slapper to save his life, he refuses to use his much better wrister, he makes incredibly poor blind passed that end up as goals against, and he can be found out of position too often.

Please, anyone, take him.

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Yeah, and McGinn has been lighting it up.

You're not getting Kulikov, a future top pairing guy, for McGinn, a career third liner, straight up.
McGinn a "career 3rd liner"? That's funny.

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12-03-2013, 09:32 PM
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McGinn a "career 3rd liner"? That's funny.
Yeah that career high 24 points screams top six.

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12-03-2013, 09:34 PM
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Cause he's been a 30 point defender every year so far and he's 23? His potential is what makes him a future top pairing guy. What kind of question is that?
You know Jamie Mcginn is only 2 years older right? Why doesn't he have enough potential to be more than a 3rd liner even though he's scored 23 goals in 86 games for the Avs.
If you're going to use the potential argument you have to use it for both. Even though Mcginn hasn't been "lighting it up" he still has 8 points and brings a physical presence though 22 this year.

Kulikov has 3 points in 27 and brings nothing else to the table. He isn't good enough defensively to be considered a top pairing guy just from that. If he doesn't bring offense he isn't any more than a 3rd pairing guy.

I don't doubt that Kulikov will turn it around but if you're going to base it all off potential for him you have to do it for both.

Mcginn has been much more valuable than Kulikov this year.

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Yeah that career high 24 points screams top six.
You are clearly only basing your opinions off of Stats, while ignoring that over a full 82 games w/ the Avs he recorded 40 points, 20+ of them Goals.

He's more of a 2nd liner, but keep believing what you want.

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12-03-2013, 09:40 PM
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You are clearly only basing your opinions off of Stats, while ignoring that over a full 82 games w/ the Avs he recorded 40 points, 20+ of them Goals.

He's more of a 2nd liner, but keep believing what you want.
He's not a second liner on a team that wants to go somewhere in the league.

But you keep believing what you want.

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He's not a second liner on a team that wants to go somewhere in the league.

But you keep believing what you want.
He'd be a whole lot more valuable with the way he's playing to a team wanting to go somewhere than Kulikov with the way he's been.

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