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12-04-2013, 10:33 AM
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I also think the Rangers not looking like a legit contender may have thrown any hope of a hometown discount out the door. Plus made management worry that he might actually walk.

I think it would have been prudent to see how he performs away from the past rock solid defensive structure for a full season. But that was kind of impossible.
In the end, I'm fine with him not giving us a hometown discount. It will make me demand a higher level of play, though. Particularly in the playoffs. Hopefully he can deliver. He's truly in the drivers' seat, now.

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Spending over 10% of the cap (even if it goes to $80M in a couple years) on a goalie seems absurd to me. Love Hank, but he's not $1M better than Rask at this point. Complete speculation, but I think Hank and his agent played the "lack of contract is driving down his level of play" card and the Rangers caved.
Much like a really good center can hide mediocre wingers, a great goalie can hide defensive gaffes, and off nights for scoring. For $8.5 million I take that.

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And not to derail the thread, but as much as I loathe Brodeur. The guy was the best if not one of the best for large portion of his prime and gave his team a nice discount which allowed them to stay competitive for a long time. Guess it was wishful thinking for thinking Lundqvist would do something similar. Just hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the rear when there is an offensive upgrade we could really use that becomes an option and we're too short to make a solid offer.
Marty had nothing to prove to the Devils. Already took them to 3 cups. If he wanted full value for his contract that would have been ludicrous.

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I said that I want our elite player to play elite game in, game out. I have no idea how that is outlandish.

And I wouldn't deny any of that.

However, Crosby has been much more consistent than Lundqvist has. So if they are going to be paid roughly equal, I want to see Lundqvist play like a superstar just about every game. I'll give the guy a pass now and then just like Crosby has a bad game or two (maybe one or two out of every 30 or so).

You've yet to explain how anything I have said is outlandish.
More consistent? I guess you mean when Crosby is actually on the ice and wasn't sitting out large swaths of seasons with concussion issues.

But what I really mean is that you're basically stating here that Lundqvist BETTER NOT give up what you, the almighty Jonathan, deem soft goals. He must be elite every game. Every goalie in the history of the sport have given up multiple "soft" goals person season. Every one. From Steve Valiquette to Patrick Roy. Outlandish expectations from you.

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And not to derail the thread, but as much as I loathe Brodeur. The guy was the best if not one of the best for large portion of his prime and gave his team a nice discount which allowed them to stay competitive for a long time. Guess it was wishful thinking for thinking Lundqvist would do something similar. Just hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the rear when there is an offensive upgrade we could really use that becomes an option and we're too short to make a solid offer.
If I'm Lundqvist, I don't trust Sather to wisely spend the money saved on a potential home town discount.

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Most of the people in the league talking down this deal are rival fans, or Fins.

Either demographic kind of needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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He better play well... Quit the inconsistency please. I have no problems with that contract if he plays like Henrik.

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In another thread, I said that $7.5M would be completely acceptable with the cap going up. I also that that we could probably get away with $8.5M. Well, here we are, $8.5M. It's not ideal but it's not ridiculous, and unless his play falls off a cliff, it won't be an albatross in any way.

He should be a career Ranger with this deal. I'm good with that.

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More consistent? I guess you mean when Crosby is actually on the ice and wasn't sitting out large swaths of seasons with concussion issues.

But what I really mean is that you're basically stating here that Lundqvist BETTER NOT give up what you, the almighty Jonathan, deem soft goals. He must be elite every game. Every goalie in the history of the sport have given up multiple "soft" goals person season. Every one. From Steve Valiquette to Patrick Roy. Outlandish expectations from you.
Oh, so now we start taking personal shots after I ask you to explain your comments? Nice, BRB. I guess I see where this is going since that's pretty typical.

If you think that it's outlandish to expect a superstar to play like a superstar game in, game out (Who ever said every game? All that phrase means is most games and it's a simple hockey cliche ), then I guess that why even bother having expectations? Let him play like he did at the beginning of the season. No one should expect him to do anything, I guess.

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Hometown discounts are the exception and not the rule in professional sports, especially for elite players. It would have been a nice surprise if Lundqvist agreed to a contract well under market value but there should be no expectation or obligation for him to do so. Ovechkin, Perry, Getzlaf, Nash, etc., certainly didn't give their hometown teams any discount.

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I also think the Rangers not looking like a legit contender may have thrown any hope of a hometown discount out the door. Plus made management worry that he might actually walk.

I think it would have been prudent to see how he performs away from the past rock solid defensive structure for a full season. But that was kind of impossible.
Agreed. I think Hank likely held out on the money because of limited faith in the team's ability to win.

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Season to season, since the lockout, no one has been more consistent than Hank.

Game to game, sure, you could find inconsistencies in anyone's game. The numbers don't lie.

Since 05-06 he's anywhere from 1-3 in the NHL in GAA, sv%, wins, and SOs.

If there's a goalie in the league that deserves to get paid, it's Hank.

Also, this no "home team discount" thing is BS. He would've gotten 9.5+ on the open market. So, there's a million per year for you guys. Expecting him to sign for $7.5 just because he's a career Ranger is ridiculous.

In two years, when the cap is 80+mm, none of this will matter.

I just... I don't know. Some of your expectations of Hank here are so outlandish. If he lets in more than 2 goals in a game you all have your pitchforks ready. ****ing relax, take a look at what he's been able to do in the playoffs without ANY goal support, and enjoy the ride.

We are so ****ing spoiled with him, some people have no idea what we have. Do you guys remember the post-Richter, pre-Lundqvist days? McLennan, Dunham, Holmqvist, Markkanen, LaBarbera. It's like ancient history around here. One day you'll be telling your grandkids how awesome it was to be able to watch Hank night in and night out. (Didn't mention Blackburn on purpose. Would've loved to see what he would've become had he stayed healthy)

I mean, do you guys realize what his November numbers are?

11 games, 5 wins, 2.27 GAA, .924 sv%

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He better play well... Quit the inconsistency please. I have no problems with that contract if he plays like Henrik.
But your expectations are "outlandish."

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Much like a really good center can hide mediocre wingers, a great goalie can hide defensive gaffes, and off nights for scoring. For $8.5 million I take that.
I'd rather have fewer defensive gaffs than invest in something to cover them up. It's like buying a really nice rug just to cover the giant hole in your living room floor.

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Does this seal Richards career with the Rangers? Can they afford both next year, or is he gone for sure now?

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Also, this no "home team discount" thing is BS. He would've gotten 9.5+ on the open market. So, there's a million per year for you guys. Expecting him to sign for $7.5 just because he's a career Ranger is ridiculous.
Based on what? He may have gotten that from a truly bottom of the barrel team, but I don't see anyone out there remotely competitive who would have offered 9.5 PLUS.

I don't think expecting a bit of loyalty out of a career player who was paid handsomely (some would say even overpaid by half a mil or so) on his last deal is "ridiculous."

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Oh, so now we start taking personal shots after I ask you to explain your comments? Nice, BRB. I guess I see where this is going since that's pretty typical.

If you think that it's outlandish to expect a superstar to play like a superstar game in, game out (Who ever said every game? All that phrase means is most games and it's a simple hockey cliche ), then I guess that why even bother having expectations? Let him play like he did at the beginning of the season. No one should expect him to do anything, I guess.
I guess what Im saying is, compared to Lundqvist's track record, your expectations of him really don't mean ****.

Besides you holding him so accountable, which means absolutely zilch to me, what are your other concerns. Do you think this money will really effect being able to build a team around him?

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It is clear to me that AV system exposed Hank. Sather just messed us up again.

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It is clear to me that AV system exposed Hank. Sather just messed us up again.
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It is clear to me that AV system exposed Hank. Sather just messed us up again.
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I don't know how fair it is to say Lundqvist & Rask's contracts should be closer in value.

Barring injury or a significant drop in skill, Rask plays out his contract and probably gets at least a 2-3 year contract after that (he'll be 34 in his UFA offseason).

I don't know if Henrik plays out this entire deal, which don't get me wrong I hope he's elite until then, but he may have outside the game desires that would make more sense for him to leave (hopefully) on top than slowly decline.

I think you'll have to see the actual salary YoY breakdown to paint a clearer picture here. Wouldn't be shocked if Henrik is getting 10+ first few years of this deal.

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Most of the people in the league talking down this deal are rival fans, or Fins.

Either demographic kind of needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Definately. There's no way any rational person would question max length + near league max dollar contracts for aging and declining goalies in a market where you can get talented young goalies relatively on the cheap, all the while considering the past history of signings like these failing spectacularly. Only rival fans and Finnish posters (????) would question this contract.

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Based on what? He may have gotten that from a truly bottom of the barrel team, but I don't see anyone out there remotely competitive who would have offered 9.5 PLUS.

I don't think expecting a bit of loyalty out of a career player who was paid handsomely (some would say even overpaid by half a mil or so) on his last deal is "ridiculous."
He would've gotten at least 9 in a bidding war. Goalies like Lundqvist don't grow on trees, I mean, it's not like you're going to find a goalie like Hank in the 7th round of a draft or anything

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Wonder what Lundqvist would have got July 1 on the open market? My guess is $9 M plus with teams trying to outbid each other...
GMs know the cap is going to shoot up. Locking up a top 5 goalie in the league, arguably top 3, arguable best in the world, GMs would've paid out the ass for that.

That's my opinion though.

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I'd rather have fewer defensive gaffs than invest in something to cover them up. It's like buying a really nice rug just to cover the giant hole in your living room floor.
And I'd rather have good wingers than a center that has to make mediocre ones better. It's the same thing. This team doesn't have that many gaffes as is, we just have a nice insurance if they were to make one.

It's ultimately a luxury but one that gives us a really good chance to win big.

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But your expectations are "outlandish."
Yeah. Well I guess that's some sort of way for people to make excuses for when the time comes.

If he plays well, fine. But none of this garbage that occurs. I understand he won't be god every game. However, competing and acceptable work done on the ice consistently SHOULD be expected. So....yeah .

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Season to season, since the lockout, no one has been more consistent than Hank.

Game to game, sure, you could find inconsistencies in anyone's game. The numbers don't lie.

Since 05-06 he's anywhere from 1-3 in the NHL in GAA, sv%, wins, and SOs.

If there's a goalie in the league that deserves to get paid, it's Hank.

Also, this no "home team discount" thing is BS. He would've gotten 9.5+ on the open market. So, there's a million per year for you guys. Expecting him to sign for $7.5 just because he's a career Ranger is ridiculous.

In two years, when the cap is 80+mm, none of this will matter.

I just... I don't know. Some of your expectations of Hank here are so outlandish. If he lets in more than 2 goals in a game you all have your pitchforks ready. ****ing relax, take a look at what he's been able to do in the playoffs without ANY goal support, and enjoy the ride.

We are so ****ing spoiled with him, some people have no idea what we have. Do you guys remember the post-Richter, pre-Lundqvist days? McLennan, Dunham, Holmqvist, Markkanen, LaBarbera. It's like ancient history around here. One day you'll be telling your grandkids how awesome it was to be able to watch Hank night in and night out. (Didn't mention Blackburn on purpose. Would've loved to see what he would've become had he stayed healthy)

I mean, do you guys realize what his November numbers are?

11 games, 5 wins, 2.27 GAA, .924 sv%

WASHED UP & STRUGGLING.
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