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View Poll Results: Spezza vs. Weiss
Weiss 22 16.30%
Spezza 108 80.00%
Dead even 5 3.70%
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11-26-2003, 10:22 AM
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This looks like one of your patended 'start a thread pimping a player you like then arguing with everyone else, who disagrees'

Nice timing on the thread btw. Strike while the iron is hot!
I think I'd make a pretty bad pimp, eh?

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Spezza by a thousand miles.

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11-26-2003, 11:54 AM
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Comparing Spezza to Weiss is at least closer than comparing Kovalchuk to SPezza. For some reason, Spezza always seems to get a lot of votes then too, which is funny, when Ilya is the best player in the league. Half the people here probably haven't seen Weiss play this season, and his point totals don't tell all. He could easily keep up this ppg status.

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11-26-2003, 07:37 PM
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Comparing Spezza to Weiss is at least closer than comparing Kovalchuk to SPezza. For some reason, Spezza always seems to get a lot of votes then too, which is funny, when Ilya is the best player in the league. Half the people here probably haven't seen Weiss play this season, and his point totals don't tell all. He could easily keep up this ppg status.
No, comparing Spezza to Kovalchuk is much different than comparing Weiss to Spezza. Spezza and Kovalchuk both look like legitimate tier-1 superstars of the future, Weiss does not. Even if Weiss lives up to all of his potential (which is highly unlikely) he still will be a few levels behind the likes of Kovalchuk and Spezza.

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Comparing Spezza to Weiss is at least closer than comparing Kovalchuk to SPezza. For some reason, Spezza always seems to get a lot of votes then too, which is funny, when Ilya is the best player in the league. Half the people here probably haven't seen Weiss play this season, and his point totals don't tell all. He could easily keep up this ppg status.
Yes because Weiss and Spezza were both competing to go first overall.

Spezza is on Kovalchuks planet, Weiss is on the equivalent of Pluto.

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11-27-2003, 06:29 AM
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Yes because Weiss and Spezza were both competing to go first overall.

Spezza is on Kovalchuks planet, Weiss is on the equivalent of Pluto.
WHat the hell has Spezza done to be compared to Kovalchuk and become a superstar. He may become one but he is not one yet. Kovalchuk is in another universe compared to Spezza. At draft day because Weiss outshined Spezza in the playoffs, there were rumors that Weiss could go as high as #2 with Spezza dropping to 3 or 4. Weiss is at least playing well for a subpar panthers team but Spezza is playing about average on a highly offensive team. Spezza is averaging about 15 minutes a game and that is a fairly decent amount. Under Keenan several times, Weiss would only play about 8 minutes a game. Now he is a completly different player and don't post about how close Spezza is to Kovalchuk or how Spezza is in another universe compared to Weiss until you see Weiss and Kovalchuk play. I wonder how many guys here have seen Spezza play this season. If he was as great as Kovalchuk, he would be playing on the top line with Hossa and Alfredsson or some other combo.

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WHat the hell has Spezza done to be compared to Kovalchuk and become a superstar. He may become one but he is not one yet. Kovalchuk is in another universe compared to Spezza. At draft day because Weiss outshined Spezza in the playoffs, there were rumors that Weiss could go as high as #2 with Spezza dropping to 3 or 4. Weiss is at least playing well for a subpar panthers team but Spezza is playing about average on a highly offensive team. Spezza is averaging about 15 minutes a game and that is a fairly decent amount. Under Keenan several times, Weiss would only play about 8 minutes a game. Now he is a completly different player and don't post about how close Spezza is to Kovalchuk or how Spezza is in another universe compared to Weiss until you see Weiss and Kovalchuk play. I wonder how many guys here have seen Spezza play this season. If he was as great as Kovalchuk, he would be playing on the top line with Hossa and Alfredsson or some other combo.
Nobody's knocking Weiss, imo, he is a good player who should be about a 25 goal scorer in this league but Spezza is projected to be a BIG star in this league...Spezza is just starting his learning curve so don't just look at his stats and draw a conclusion from there, big centres take longer to develop than scoring wingers ala Thornton.

As for Spezza not playing on the top line, there's a reason for that. Coaches like to spread out their offense so you won't see Jacques putting all his eggs in one basket.

Again, Kovalchuk and Spezza are the cornerstones for their respective franchises, Weiss is not.

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11-27-2003, 07:12 AM
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Nobody's knocking Weiss, imo, he is a good player who should be about a 25 goal scorer in this league but Spezza is projected to be a BIG star in this league...Spezza is just starting his learning curve so don't just look at his stats and draw a conclusion from there, big centres take longer to develop than scoring wingers ala Thornton.

As for Spezza not playing on the top line, there's a reason for that. Coaches like to spread out their offense so you won't see Jacques putting all his eggs in one basket.

Again, Kovalchuk and Spezza are the cornerstones for their respective franchises, Weiss is not.
Agreed on the cornerstone part, but there is no way one can compare the current Spezza to Kovalchuk like most here are doing. If your talking about down the line than by all means, but as for now they aren't even close.

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Actually, When drafted, Weiss was considered as the cornerstone of the franchise, but now, we have Bouwmeester Horton and Luongo in those spots and Weiss is working his way back up there. He could possibly score 25 this year and Weiss should eventually score 30+ goals. As Oiltalk said, no one can compare Kovo to Spezza. FOrget going on potential. If you go by that, then Daigle is better than Gretzky . At least down here with Horton and Weiss, we have 2 legit franchise centers which comes direct from our media.

We are overloaded at center now with prospects

Jokinen
Weiss
Nedorost
Horton
Taticek
Kreps

All are tier one or high end tier two prospects. Jokinen will probably be here untill the emergence (if ever) of Taticek/Horton/Kreps. Nedorost is basically guaranteed a spot. Same with Weiss and Jokinen is the #1 or 2 center behind Weiss right now.
OF all of the centers above, the only three that will probably play here for at least another 6/7 years are Weiss and Horton and probably Nedorost.

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11-28-2003, 09:12 PM
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WHat the hell has Spezza done to be compared to Kovalchuk and become a superstar.
nothing.
as of right now, Spezza couldn't tie Kovalchuk's skates.

I am not an Ottawa or a Panthers fan but I know a great hockey player when I see one and anyone that can say that Spezza is equal or close to Kovalchuk talentwise right now, doesn't know they're ars from a hole in the ground.

Spezza may turn into a great player one day but Kovalchuck is already a great player. it's not close.

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nothing.
as of right now, Spezza couldn't tie Kovalchuk's skates.

I am not an Ottawa or a Panthers fan but I know a great hockey player when I see one and anyone that can say that Spezza is equal or close to Kovalchuk talentwise right now, doesn't know they're ars from a hole in the ground.

Spezza may turn into a great player one day but Kovalchuck is already a great player. it's not close.
THank you!


SO how about Weiss adding another 2 last night against Buffalo. Face it. There in NO ONE that can argue about Spezza being better this year that's watched Weiss. GO on the prospects board and open your eyes.

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Weiss has been good, but its pretty hard to argue with Ottawa's recent drafting successes.

 
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Weiss has been good, but its pretty hard to argue with Ottawa's recent drafting successes.
It has nothing to do with how good they've drafted. Panthers have Weiss, Bouwmeester, Horton, Huselius, Hagman, Kvasha, Nilson, etc. that they've drafted. Ottawa has Bonk, Hossa, Spezza, etc....
Ottawa couldn't go wrong (except Daigle) when they sucked 7 years ago picking top 3 every year.

No one can possibly argue Weiss over Spezza in any aspect. He has 12 points in 12 games and has done so many important things like Block shots, set screens, take guys out so set up, etc..... There is no facet that Spezza outshines Weiss in right now!

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It has nothing to do with how good they've drafted. Panthers have Weiss, Bouwmeester, Horton, Huselius, Hagman, Kvasha, Nilson, etc. that they've drafted. Ottawa has Bonk, Hossa, Spezza, etc....
Ottawa couldn't go wrong (except Daigle) when they sucked 7 years ago picking top 3 every year.

No one can possibly argue Weiss over Spezza in any aspect. He has 12 points in 12 games and has done so many important things like Block shots, set screens, take guys out so set up, etc..... There is no facet that Spezza outshines Weiss in right now!
Thats fine. Nilsson looked like Mario Lemieux against Martin Brodeur last year. Doesn't mean I'd rather have him over Jason Spezza though. This poll asks who you'd rather have for your team. I like Spezza's potential more in the grand scheme of things. Its no slight to the way Weiss has played, but I don't know if he'll maintain this all season long same as I don't think Spezza will stay in a slump for the whole year.

 
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Nice timing on the thread btw. Strike while the iron is hot!
Thank you, but I do believe this iron will stay hot for a majority of the season especially with the way he's playing now.

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Thank you, but I do believe this iron will stay hot for a majority of the season especially with the way he's playing now.
Yeah, especially if Dudley keeps giving him around 22 minutes per game.

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Yeah, especially if Dudley keeps giving him around 22 minutes per game.

First of all, he's averaging around 20 minutes a game. Second, it's absurd to say (from your first post) that just because a player gets 20+ minutes a game that he should be a point-per-game player. Go to NHL.com and check the stats for fowards sorted by ice-time per game. You'll see several players with 20+ minutes who aren't even close, so don't imply the only reason Weiss is getting points is because he's playing a lot.


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You who call this guy a homer obviously have NO idea what you are talking about. I am a huge Panther fan and admit that Spezza will be a better player, but it is a better comparison than you think. Weiss is outscoring Spezza on a WAY worse team right now and you talk about him like he is just a 3rd liner or something.

Oh yea, my two cents -- Spezza is a tier below Kovalchuk (who is in a tier of his own right now). Spezza/Nash would be a good comparison.

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Thank you, but I do believe this iron will stay hot for a majority of the season especially with the way he's playing now.
Mid-season:

Weiss 18pts/34 games
Spezza 34pts/47 games

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Mid-season:

Weiss 18pts/34 games
Spezza 34pts/47 games

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Good Stuff Dave.
More fun stats:

Weiss has 6pts (2G, 4A) in the past 22 games. Drop it like it's hot!

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Mid-season:

Weiss 18pts/34 games
Spezza 34pts/47 games

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Mid-season:

Weiss 18pts/34 games
Spezza 34pts/47 games

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Looks like Weiss has fallen back down to earth like the majority of the people here thought...so much for the iron staying hot...

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Spezza.....how did this become a thread again?

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