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12-07-2013, 04:43 AM
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Captain Callahan: not on his game

Cally has always had consistency issues when it comes to offensive contribution, but his effort level has rarely been in question. What's going on with him now?

- His skating seems to be worse.
- He actually shies away from hits
- He doesn't get in the shooting lanes to block shots as much
- He is noticeably worse around the boards, losing the battles
- He's not crashing the net hard

Basically he's not playing the game he is known and loved for. Every time that has happened earlier, he's been playing through injuries. Could his shoulder still be bothering him? It's like he's holding back, not playing to his strengths.

Has his playing style caught up to him? He's missed so many games to to injuries and played through even more, and I think he's stating to pay the price. His body has taken so many poundings and I'm starting to worry he could be on the decline.

If so. How do we handle his contract situation? He is an UFA, will probably be asking for ~6M and we have a bunch of players to re-sign. He has been the heart and soul of this team for many years, but is there any way they let him go to free agency?

I don't know man. We need him to be better, no matter what the reason is. If he's playing through injuries, maybe give him a couple of games rest and give Kristo a cup of coffee on the third line?


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Despite asserting his UFA status had nothing to do with his play, Lundqvist looked much better the other night against Buffalo. Buffalo had some good chances, and Hank played a hell of a game.

I wonder if Cally is considering his UFA status, thus putting more pressure on himself to do well. Couple this with any lingering effects of the recent injuries, and you have problems mentally and physically.

I suspect we'll be waiting a bit longer to see how he does before an extension is signed.

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I read thread title as "Not playing this game" and was expecting to find trade rumors opening it.

Callahan has made some good plays this season, a couple nice goals.. But he's far from the Captain he's expected to be and thats starting to become worrying. It might be AV that utilizes him incorrectly.

Hope he nets one tonight followed up with great play.

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The Rangers as in the individuals on the team--are not racking up the number of hits or blocked shots as they did under Tortorella. The style of the team has changed to some degree and IMO Callahan had the kind of game that could excel under a coach like Tortorella--Girardi as well. Those two are IMO the ones whose games have been most effected by the coaching change.

Staal IMO is the player I'm most concerned about now. He's made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes this year. It's almost as if he has momentary blackouts and/or that he has blind spots. Between the concussion and the eye injury he's just not back to where he was before all that.

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The Rangers as in the individuals on the team--are not racking up the number of hits or blocked shots as they did under Tortorella. The style of the team has changed to some degree and IMO Callahan had the kind of game that could excel under a coach like Tortorella--Girardi as well. Those two are IMO the ones whose games have been most effected by the coaching change.

Staal IMO is the player I'm most concerned about now. He's made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes this year. It's almost as if he has momentary blackouts and/or that he has blind spots. Between the concussion and the eye injury he's just not back to where he was before all that.

i say if they find a taker for Staal, they should move him.. their is no risk of losing him if he does go to the Canes in 2 years and he has not been himself at all this year... looks lost and making stupid plays at times.. reminded me of Bryan Berard at times when he was here..

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I wonder if Cally is considering his UFA status, thus putting more pressure on himself to do well. Couple this with any lingering effects of the recent injuries, and you have problems mentally and physically.

I suspect we'll be waiting a bit longer to see how he does before an extension is signed.
I would be very surprised if this was the reason. Playing goalie requires extreme mental focus and it's understandable that contract insecurity could affect the game. Cally's role and style of play does not have that same requirement.

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I read thread title as "Not playing this game" and was expecting to find trade rumors opening it.
My bad. Changed it a bit.

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The Rangers as in the individuals on the team--are not racking up the number of hits or blocked shots as they did under Tortorella. The style of the team has changed to some degree and IMO Callahan had the kind of game that could excel under a coach like Tortorella--Girardi as well. Those two are IMO the ones whose games have been most effected by the coaching change.

Staal IMO is the player I'm most concerned about now. He's made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes this year. It's almost as if he has momentary blackouts and/or that he has blind spots. Between the concussion and the eye injury he's just not back to where he was before all that.
I don't know, even when you try to play a more puck possession game, you need guys a guy like Callahan to do what he does best. I think he's been doing less of that lately.

However. Upon checking the stats, he's top 5 in shots, hits and blocked shots. He's also 6th in pp points and 7th in points per game. So maybe I'm full of **** and he's playing better than I think?

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He's been beyond dreadful recently. I find myself yelling at him more on the television these days than Boyle - and I yell at Boyle A LOT

Wouldn't be opposed to dealing him. Have never been Callahan's biggest fan.

Dubinsky > Callahan.

I mean, Callahan is making $4.275 a year right now. He's going to be looking for a raise and a long contract. Do the Rangers really want to give Callahan 5 years at $5mil? He can't stay healthy, and he's not that good to be earning that kind of money.

Is railing your captain blasphemy?

Let him go sign in Buffalo for that kind of money.

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Hope he gets better again. By better I mean doing the things he does that make him successful. Can't see him in a different jersey. Hope he plays up to what is expected.

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Hope he gets better again. By better I mean doing the things he does that make him successful. Can't see him in a different jersey. Hope he plays up to what is expected.
I could really see Callahan signing a long-term deal in Buffalo this off-season. Makes a ton of sense.

Doesn't look so good on Sather though to let your captain walk - so I could also see the Rangers throwing him that 5 year, $25 million deal.

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this mite be harsh, but i don't get this kid.... first off i was surprised that he didn't play with a broken finger, tape it up, take a shot, u got to play through injury, also it seems when he does comes back from injury it takes a significant amount of time for him to get back his game

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He is wearing down but I also do not think he is playing at 100%.

I don't think the system matters much. A younger or healthier Callahan was the type of player who could find a role and thrive in any system. A player who can skate, is intelligent and work hard usually can. I feel the same way about Staal. Before his injuries he was an outstanding defenseman who could everything at least adequately.

Callahan should have a few years of effective play left. But I am not sure he will be worth the 5x5 contract he will probably get.

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this mite be harsh, but i don't get this kid.... first off i was surprised that he didn't play with a broken finger, tape it up, take a shot, u got to play through injury, also it seems when he does comes back from injury it takes a significant amount of time for him to get back his game
When he came back from the shoulder injury he was the best player on the team for the first three or four games. Not so much after the finger injury. I think something else is bothering him.

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This is what I posted about Callahan yesterday in the Rangers on Team USA thread:

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The problem is Callahan isn't the same energy player he used to be. I don't see him come flying in on the forecheck and throwing hits or sacrificing himself to block shots these days. He has certainly refined his offensive game slightly, but his stupid plays in the offensive zone have also skyrocketed. And considering the effort we see on the ice every game, it looks like he's doing a **** job as a leader to boot.

Injuries are most definitely playing a part in this, and they are a major reason Callahan should not be given a long contract this summer.

If you get a determined and hustling Callahan in Sochi though his value is through the roof, even in a loaded tournament like the Olympics. That's what Poile and company have to be banking on at this point.
This isn't a heat of the moment thing. I've been exceedingly critical of Callahan since the Spring of 2012. I remember he had a fantastic Game 1 against Ottawa, but he was crap towards the end of that glorious season as well. All of least year. This year thus far.

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He and Lundqvist are the biggest reasons we're a 500 club right now

Hank looked great in buff so hopefully he can settle in now but Callahan has been absolutely awful since the finger injury

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If you let Callahan go because he wants 6 million instead of the 5 you'd give him, exactly what are we going for to replace his spot in the top 6?

You all make it sound like this is a situation of any dollar overpayment means we can just cut the guy loose and not be any worse off. I've heard people who want Girardi and Callahan to go. What are you doing with that money? Keeping Richards?

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If you let Callahan go because he wants 6 million instead of the 5 you'd give him, exactly what are we going for to replace his spot in the top 6?

You all make it sound like this is a situation of any dollar overpayment means we can just cut the guy loose and not be any worse off. I've heard people who want Girardi and Callahan to go. What are you doing with that money? Keeping Richards?
1. Trade Callahan and Girardi
1a. Get two 1st round draft picks, and trade all three of them for a top 2 pick.
1b. Draft Nylander's kid, Reinhart, or Ekblad
2. Buy-out Richards
3. Go all-in on Paul Stastny and Phaneuf
4. Win Stanley Cup

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You all make it sound like this is a situation of any dollar overpayment means we can just cut the guy loose and not be any worse off. I've heard people who want Girardi and Callahan to go. What are you doing with that money? Keeping Richards?

It's more a situation of a guy we expect a lot from, not coming close to living up to those expectations. I want him to stay, even at six mill, but he needs to find his game again. If he keeps playing like he's done lately, he's not even worth his current contract let alone a raise.

Also overpaying for one vet is fine, overpaying for several is a problem. 6 for callahan, 8,5 for Lundquist, 5,5 for Girardi, 2,5 for Boyle, 2,3 for Strålman, 4 for Brassard, Zuccarello and both Moores for 1,5. Then there's Staal, Stepan, Hagelin next year. We could run into some problems, even if they buy out Richards.

One of the more expensive vets might have to go.

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I'm one of Cally's biggest fans. But he's been nothing short of horrible lately. He does something stupid every time the puck is on his stick. You can't even blame that on injury.

His lack of effort, forecheck pressure, and hits you can forsure blame on injury.

I don't know what's up with him.

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It's more a situation of a guy we expect a lot from, not coming close to living up to those expectations. I want him to stay, even at six mill, but he needs to find his game again. If he keeps playing like he's done lately, he's not even worth his current contract let alone a raise.

Also overpaying for one vet is fine, overpaying for several is a problem. 6 for callahan, 8,5 for Lundquist, 5,5 for Girardi, 2,5 for Boyle, 2,3 for Strålman, 4 for Brassard, Zuccarello and both Moores for 1,5. Then there's Staal, Stepan, Hagelin next year. We could run into some problems, even if they buy out Richards.

One of the more expensive vets might have to go.
Agreed. But 2.3 would not be overpaying for Stralman. Boyle shouldn't and likely won't get 2.5 and if he does, bye.

I mean you have to think realistically about these kinds of things. Who's worth what on an individual basis. You can't lump players together and say well if Callahans worth 6, we have to give Brassard 4.

Also @ pastafazul, players should not be playing with injuries at the beginning of the season. It jeapordizes them down the stretch and in the playoffs, when they will be most needed. Especially since the guy couldnt even hold a stick. Stop spewing nonsense and get a calm head.

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If you let Callahan go because he wants 6 million instead of the 5 you'd give him, exactly what are we going for to replace his spot in the top 6?

You all make it sound like this is a situation of any dollar overpayment means we can just cut the guy loose and not be any worse off. I've heard people who want Girardi and Callahan to go. What are you doing with that money? Keeping Richards?
I don't think people want the surplus cap space. I think people are more concerned that we're going to overpay veterans that are already slowing down and have been playing so poorly that it hurts the team. Just because we can afford Cally + G we should keep them? No thanks.

This is a chance to sell of some of our good but not great veterans to restock the prospect pool, and get some young kids to fit the new system. Cally and G aren't cutting it. Period.

Having all this money tied up in mediocre veterans hurts this teams's chances of winning anything.

I'd trade both of them before the deadline.

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It's more a situation of a guy we expect a lot from, not coming close to living up to those expectations. I want him to stay, even at six mill, but he needs to find his game again. If he keeps playing like he's done lately, he's not even worth his current contract let alone a raise.

Also overpaying for one vet is fine, overpaying for several is a problem. 6 for callahan, 8,5 for Lundquist, 5,5 for Girardi, 2,5 for Boyle, 2,3 for Strålman, 4 for Brassard, Zuccarello and both Moores for 1,5. Then there's Staal, Stepan, Hagelin next year. We could run into some problems, even if they buy out Richards.

One of the more expensive vets might have to go.
LOL NO at that Boyle contract. Not giving him a hair over what he makes now.

Gotta be honest I'm not interested in resigning G, Cally, Brassard, or Boyle.

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id keep Cally before i keep Girardi.

Girardi is the perfect sell now kinda guy.

Still an effective player, but some rough miles on his body. Could fetch a lot more than he's actually worth.

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Cally is my very favorite athlete. His style of play was supposed to be the outline for this team in terms of effort and responsibility.

Recently, his effort and responsibility resemble the team's: Non-existent. It's been said before: As goes Ryan Callahan, so goes the New York Rangers. He may not score like Nash, or be as important as Hank, but his impact on the rest of the team's play is apparent for the world to see.

Cally is in the worst slump of his career right now. I don't know if it's lingering injury, UFA status, coaching, or what. He's gripping the stick too tight, he's not playing his wrecking ball role in the forecheck, hell, he still hasn't scored on a shot (implies lingering shoulder issue).

But I do think that's all it is: a slump. There's a reason he earned the C, that he got the occasional nick-name "godahan". He needs a game or two against the Flyers to set the world on fire again, and I think he'll come out of it.

For starters, I think he needs different linemates. He played his best with Stepan and Hags last season, but obviously you're not going to put him with Step right now. Give him another down-low forechecker, someone who makes their offense below the circles. Putting him with Richards and Zucc is just asking for "Tries to make offense off the rush Callahan", and nobody wants that.

It's why i want to try putting him with Hags and Miller. Physical forecheckers, keep it simple, go to the net.

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LOL NO at that Boyle contract. Not giving him a hair over what he makes now.

Gotta be honest I'm not interested in resigning G, Cally, Brassard, or Boyle.
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Agreed. But 2.3 would not be overpaying for Stralman. Boyle shouldn't and likely won't get 2.5 and if he does, bye.

I mean you have to think realistically about these kinds of things. Who's worth what on an individual basis. You can't lump players together and say well if Callahans worth 6, we have to give Brassard 4.

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Realistically Brassard will be asking for a raise and it's going to cost 4M to re-sign him. Other than that those figures weren't meant to be estimates, just to illustrate that keeping our fa's will cost us.

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I don't think people want the surplus cap space. I think people are more concerned that we're going to overpay veterans that are already slowing down and have been playing so poorly that it hurts the team. Just because we can afford Cally + G we should keep them? No thanks.

This is a chance to sell of some of our good but not great veterans to restock the prospect pool, and get some young kids to fit the new system. Cally and G aren't cutting it. Period.

Having all this money tied up in mediocre veterans hurts this teams's chances of winning anything.

I'd trade both of them before the deadline.
I agree to some degree, but those guys are heart and soul players. If the return isn't very high, I don't consider trading them. Particularly not Cally.

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He's been beyond dreadful recently. I find myself yelling at him more on the television these days than Boyle - and I yell at Boyle A LOT

Wouldn't be opposed to dealing him. Have never been Callahan's biggest fan.

Dubinsky > Callahan.

I mean, Callahan is making $4.275 a year right now. He's going to be looking for a raise and a long contract. Do the Rangers really want to give Callahan 5 years at $5mil? He can't stay healthy, and he's not that good to be earning that kind of money.

Is railing your captain blasphemy?

Let him go sign in Buffalo for that kind of money.
Never really thought Callahan was a better player than Dubinsky. They're about even in my eyes. I have some real doubts that Callahan will sign with Buffalo if he becomes a free agent. Would you if you were in his position? That team doesn't look like it's going anywhere for the next several years and he's best in the role of a supporting offensive producer than as a main guy. They have Steve Ott getting premium ice time with pwp. Ott is much, much better as a bottom 6 player. Really think that if a team like Boston were to give him a serious offer a player like him could find and fit into a role that would elongate his career.

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If you let Callahan go because he wants 6 million instead of the 5 you'd give him, exactly what are we going for to replace his spot in the top 6?

You all make it sound like this is a situation of any dollar overpayment means we can just cut the guy loose and not be any worse off. I've heard people who want Girardi and Callahan to go. What are you doing with that money? Keeping Richards?
And that's a great question--and a great post because the Rangers are going to be taking a step back losing either one until they find someone to fill their roles which could take some time. Without both of them the Rangers next year are going to struggle a lot. One of them would be bad enough. In the long run it might be the right thing to do but in the here and now and for the short run it's going to hurt the team--and next year very likely the same people will be climbing all over Staal's back--so there's the point of where and when does this all complaining end? Richards is the most obvious player who has to go--not Callahan or Girardi.

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id keep Cally before i keep Girardi.

Girardi is the perfect sell now kinda guy.

Still an effective player, but some rough miles on his body. Could fetch a lot more than he's actually worth.
Not so sure about that. One thing you have to say for Girardi is--people waiting for him to break down like Callahan in the next few years--he hardly ever misses a game. Girardi has a body that is made for abuse--a very low pain threshold and can play banged up better than probably anyone else on the team. For a right side d-man who can knock heads with the best players in the league and hardly ever take penalties--that's something. He's more dependable than Callahan. You know he's going to play and even if he has some clunkers and you know the balance of his work over the course of a season is going to be pretty good and the Rangers have no one currently in house to replace him with. They can move the deck chairs around without Callahan.

That said Callahan is the captain and moving your captain or not signing him signals that something is not working right in Rangers land.

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