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12-08-2013, 04:51 PM
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I don't think he moves.
I hope you are right.

I hope that like Viz, he is surprised to find out how much he likes the team and LI.

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12-08-2013, 04:51 PM
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Gorges + prospect/pick is likely the best Montreal could offer, and that's only if we can discuss a contract with him prior to the trade.

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12-08-2013, 04:53 PM
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Klein is the new Khudobin to me. Every Isles fan seems to want him and I have no idea why.
Last yr I was lobbying for Khudobin. Isles did not get him.

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12-08-2013, 04:55 PM
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Considering Snow said last summer that the isles fan should expect internal upgrades, I would consider Klein or Tytutin to be terrific vet pickup, while kids like Reinhart/Pulock/De Haan make their way onto the roster.

I think we could very likely see two out of those three playing on LI nextseason.
Yeah..and "Vet" pick-ups can be obtained in FA ... why waste an asset like Vanek on that? .. You either have too much faith in your prospects or are incredibly short sighted.

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Last yr I was lobbying for Khudobin. Isles did not get him.
Klein seems like a serviceable enough guy, but I really don't see him as being any sort of catalyst. The fact we'll have moved Moulson, 1st, and 2nd for Kevin Klein would be downright mocked by the greater hockey community.

Prospects bust, as well as do other things like demand trades, stay in Russia, and decide to give up hockey to make festive jellies or whatever. You can never have too many quality prospects, and should never scoff an upcoming 1st round pick, especially if you're a team that looks like the Islanders right now.

If it's deadline day and Vancouver is offering Jensen/Tanev/1st and Nashville is offering Klein, I'm taking that Vancouver deal 10 times outta 10.

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12-08-2013, 05:02 PM
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Isles will have four or five blueline prospects ,with legitimate chances at a limited number of nhl spots in next yrs camp: Reinhart , De Haan, Pulock, Donovan and maybe Ness.

Not looking for picks or orospects.
If vanek won't re-sign, you take the best package you can get. If it includes picks then you take it and hope to flip those pics for an established talent at the draft.

It's about assets. At the deadline vanek is a big one. Afterward he is a smaller asset whereas a first will continue to have value.

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12-08-2013, 05:10 PM
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I don't see him resigning seeing as you guys aren't going to make the playoffs.

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12-08-2013, 05:11 PM
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Gorges + prospect/pick is likely the best Montreal could offer, and that's only if we can discuss a contract with him prior to the trade.
Better be a damn good prospect if you want a signed Vanek.

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12-08-2013, 05:14 PM
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Vanek will not sign until the summer. Is value is the one of a UFA.

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Not a fan of either team, but maybe for Coyle+Scandella?

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12-08-2013, 07:50 PM
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Not a fan of either team, but maybe for Coyle+Scandella?
Get ready for an avalanche of Wild fan indignance at the idea of giving up good players for Vanek "when he's just going to sign in Minnesota, anyways."

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12-08-2013, 07:54 PM
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Not a fan of either team, but maybe for Coyle+Scandella?
Absolutely not.

Why would we give up a very good young forward and a decent young d-man for a soon-to-be UFA that has no guarantee of re-signing here in the first place?

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Get ready for an avalanche of Wild fan indignance at the idea of giving up good players for Vanek "when he's just going to sign in Minnesota, anyways."
At this point I'm not sure if I even wanna sign Vanek as we have some great young forwards all pushing for spots.

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Better be a damn good prospect if you want a signed Vanek.
That's why I doubt we could get him. We don't have expendable assets that could fetch him. But who said anything about a signed Vanek? I said we'd need to be able to discuss things with him first.

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12-08-2013, 08:22 PM
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Would ducks be interested in a deal surrounding vanek for Gibson?
I sure hope not. Vanek would be a rental, as the Ducks wouldn't be able to resign him at his cost. I seriously doubt they'd give up Gibson for a rental.

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12-08-2013, 08:36 PM
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Gorges 1st plus Bourque (cap dump) is what i would give up for him. Then resign him at roughly the same contract.

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12-08-2013, 08:51 PM
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Anything from the Blues end interest you guys?

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12-08-2013, 08:57 PM
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Gorges 1st plus Bourque (cap dump) is what i would give up for him. Then resign him at roughly the same contract.
Gorges and a first is a good start.

Not that I see the isles taking Borque's contract, but essentially you would be trading for the right to use the isles compliance.

I think that would likely cost an additional first.

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12-08-2013, 09:06 PM
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Anything from the Blues end interest you guys?
Rattie and a goalie.


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I sure hope not. Vanek would be a rental, as the Ducks wouldn't be able to resign him at his cost. I seriously doubt they'd give up Gibson for a rental.
What about Andersen? Not as much hype as Gibson but still a great young goalie.

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12-08-2013, 09:21 PM
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Rattie and a goalie.
I might be mistaken, but was there any interest in Halak at all on your guys' part?

EDIT: Oops, just saw your edit. So Halak + Rattie would either get it done/approach getting it done?

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12-08-2013, 10:16 PM
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I might be mistaken, but was there any interest in Halak at all on your guys' part?

EDIT: Oops, just saw your edit. So Halak + Rattie would either get it done/approach getting it done?
A goalie who is not an impending UFA.

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12-08-2013, 10:49 PM
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Gorges and a first is a good start.

Not that I see the isles taking Borque's contract, but essentially you would be trading for the right to use the isles compliance.

I think that would likely cost an additional first.
Bourque is still a useful player and doesn't have an horrible contract. It's just that he would be the odd man out in mtl. He could surely be useful on a 3rd line. Gorges 1st for and impending UFA would be a gamble i would be willing to make. The habs will have a lot of cap space next year so they could easily resign Vanek.

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12-08-2013, 11:23 PM
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Bourque is still a useful player and doesn't have an horrible contract. It's just that he would be the odd man out in mtl. He could surely be useful on a 3rd line. Gorges 1st for and impending UFA would be a gamble i would be willing to make. The habs will have a lot of cap space next year so they could easily resign Vanek.
If bourque is still useful and still has value, no need to include him. If you are correct, you should be able to move him to another team.

And, I did say Gorges and a first was a good START.

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12-09-2013, 09:09 AM
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Look, this is really not that complicated. NYI is currently 2nd to last in the league. There are really two possibilities here:

- NYI continues to suck. Maybe there are more injuries in D or in net, or worse. Maybe they fight it out with the Sabres for last overall. In any case, a bottom 5 finish. In this case, Vanek is nearly certain to fly via UFA. So, we trade him at the deadline for whatever we can get, make the lottery pick in the 2014 draft, and take the loss between the value between our 2015 1st and 2014 second and whatever we get back for Vanek. That's rough, but it's not that bad for taking a shot to sign a top-line winger we probably couldn't have gotten any other way.

- NYI brings up Strome. Vis comes back. We get some stability on D, and (gasp) maybe in net. Things even out. Optimism is sparked. NYI still don't make the playoff, but show a lot of promise of what they could do with more on the back end. NYI makes a serious attempt to (i) buy a goalie, and (ii) resign Vanek.

In either case, it's still way too early to make any decisions. Barring injury to Vanek, the cost for Vanek won't get lower as we move on in the season. So the risk is relatively small in holding on and seeing what happens. There's not much reason to deal Vanek right now.

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I don't get why the Islanders fans think Vanek will re-sign. He stated quite clearly during his time with Buffalo he isn't interested in signing with a rebuilding team.

And even if he was open to re-upping, chances are he's going to want a pretty absurd contract.

I was in denial about the Vanek to Minny stuff while he was with Buffalo. But, realistically, its the most likely scenario.

Are you guys comfortable giving Vanek 8 million+ a year for 8 years? If not, I am pretty sure he's bolting.

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