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12-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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MAB and Gustafsson are nothing like each other. MAB made a brief NHL living out of solely having a monster of a shot like no other and being a great PP threat (minus the times he was the cause of SH chances against).

Gustafsson's shot is nowhere near that level, but he's better then MAB in just about every other aspect. He's a fluid, relatively smooth skater who at least knows how to play D and can move the puck well enough to not look out of place on a rush.

Makes no sense that we're benching a guy like that, who is a home-grown prospect no less, for a guy with one of the biggest cap hits on the team yet is a free agent who likely won't be re-signed (and if he is then God help us) and is a bottom pairing D at his best. Gustafsson isn't much better overall when both are at their best, but Gustafsson is probably more reliable while also being much cheaper and having the possibility of a future here if they don't keep crapping all over him.

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It seems like the Flyers organization is so afraid of the mistakes Gus will make while he improves his play.

It's very hard to "win now" and give ice time to young NHL defensemen that aren't high pedigree out of the gate. I'm talking about premier defensemen tend to be in the league early. Gus isn't one. He'd be a grower who matures his game as he ages.

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12-08-2013, 10:52 PM
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MAB and Gustafsson are nothing like each other. MAB made a brief NHL living out of solely having a monster of a shot like no other and being a great PP threat (minus the times he was the cause of SH chances against).

Gustafsson's shot is nowhere near that level, but he's better then MAB in just about every other aspect. He's a fluid, relatively smooth skater who at least knows how to play D and can move the puck well enough to not look out of place on a rush.

Makes no sense that we're benching a guy like that, who is a home-grown prospect no less, for a guy with one of the biggest cap hits on the team yet is a free agent who likely won't be re-signed (and if he is then God help us) and is a bottom pairing D at his best. Gustafsson isn't much better overall when both are at their best, but Gustafsson is probably more reliable while also being much cheaper and having the possibility of a future here if they don't keep crapping all over him.
Yeah I wasn't comparing them at all, I was making a sarcastic assessment, which you've pointed out yourself.

Mab made a brief nhl career out of producing offensively, which is why I said Gus is like mab but without the offense. Thus, useless.

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12-08-2013, 11:05 PM
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Yeah I wasn't comparing them at all, I was making a sarcastic assessment, which you've pointed out yourself.

Mab made a brief nhl career out of producing offensively, which is why I said Gus is like mab but without the offense. Thus, useless.
Ah. Still, MAB had his chances to prove what he was capable of and we all know what he was good for. Gustafsson is still young and hasn't really been given a stable shot. He's usually either in and out of the lineup (like currently) for worse D options (like Meszaros currently or guys like Lilja, Walker, or Gervais in the past) or in the AHL. He also hasn't had anywhere near the offensive impact MAB had. Though, granted, MAB's offensive impact was pretty much limited to the PP.

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12-09-2013, 12:19 AM
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drives me nuts how this organization treats younger players. Gus has a rough game and is benched. yet a guy like Rinaldo can go full blown retard and not miss a shift.

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12-09-2013, 12:30 AM
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drives me nuts how this organization treats younger players. Gus has a rough game and is benched. yet a guy like Rinaldo can go full blown retard and not miss a shift.

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I honestly believe that Gus' benching has more to do with Meszaros showcasing than with Gus' play.

I think Homer knows he needs to trade Mesz, preferably out west, so they are playing him on the road trip.

Gus will get back in soon and play well.

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12-09-2013, 12:43 AM
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I honestly believe that Gus' benching has more to do with Meszaros showcasing than with Gus' play.

I think Homer knows he needs to trade Mesz, preferably out west, so they are playing him on the road trip.

Gus will get back in soon and play well.
i would like to believe that but the history in recent years makes me believe that Gus is being "punished" for having a rough time of it before he was sent to the pressbox.
I would still rather have Gus out there over Mez. Yes Gus is going to make mistakes. He is still a young kid in this league trying to make a name for himself. He isnt going to learn a damn thing if he is sent to the pressbox if he has a bad game.

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Ah. Still, MAB had his chances to prove what he was capable of and we all know what he was good for. Gustafsson is still young and hasn't really been given a stable shot. He's usually either in and out of the lineup (like currently) for worse D options (like Meszaros currently or guys like Lilja, Walker, or Gervais in the past) or in the AHL. He also hasn't had anywhere near the offensive impact MAB had. Though, granted, MAB's offensive impact was pretty much limited to the PP.
I'm really pulling for this guy. Ik of him as a friend of a friend, and I hope he gets better. As for Gus we saw what he can do last year. Kimmo isn't going to be around forever. Streit is well in the same boat. As it stands Gus is closest to taking over that role. He needs to play, but it seems like a situation similiar to Couts with Lavy to me.

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It's similar but Gus is never going to as good a player as Couturier. His lack of size will always be an issue.

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I honestly believe that Gus' benching has more to do with Meszaros showcasing than with Gus' play.

I think Homer knows he needs to trade Mesz, preferably out west, so they are playing him on the road trip.

Gus will get back in soon and play well.
Mez is a UFA at the end of the year. There isn't a single team out there that's going to give up anything substantial for a guy that they can get for free in July, and he's certainly not any team's missing piece for a cup run. So what's the point of showcasing him? To bump his return up from a 5th round pick to a 4th? Mez is playing over Gus because they feel like he's the better player at this point, as moronic as that sounds.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gus bolt as soon as he gets the chance. This organization has done their best to ruin the guy from day one.

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Meh....Gus still doesn't impress me. Yeah he's been jerked around a bit by the org but I really think he's overrrated on these boards. Having said this..laughable that he is being benched in favor of Mess-aros. If "Mess" is being showcased I doubt anybody is really looking...he's like that broken down exhibit at the Franklin Institute that everybody just ignores.

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12-09-2013, 09:21 AM
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The best things that could happen to Gus would be a major injury to Timonen or Streit as weird as it sounds.

Just to make it clear, I don't want any of them injured but that's the only way Gus would get significant playing time and PP duties like he did last season when he was playing his best hockey.
It's really hard for him to shine when he only gets 10- 13 minutes of EV ice time and gets banned from the roster as soon as the team drops a game for no reason. His production and +/- are not bad at all and he is no liability out there but our Coaches seem to believe they will sneak into the playoffs this year and just don't want to take any risks playing him.

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12-09-2013, 10:31 AM
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I think Gus and MAB are overrated on these boards. That said I would still rather have Gus playing instead of Mez.

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12-09-2013, 10:58 AM
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It's similar but Gus is never going to as good a player as Couturier. His lack of size will always be an issue.
i disagree.
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12-09-2013, 11:31 AM
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Mez is a UFA at the end of the year. There isn't a single team out there that's going to give up anything substantial for a guy that they can get for free in July, and he's certainly not any team's missing piece for a cup run. So what's the point of showcasing him? To bump his return up from a 5th round pick to a 4th? Mez is playing over Gus because they feel like he's the better player at this point, as moronic as that sounds.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gus bolt as soon as he gets the chance. This organization has done their best to ruin the guy from day one.
Mez might not be the final piece, but a few teams have lost Dmen to significant injuries. It's not out of the question that he could be dealt. I also think that Mez in good shape and playing well is a better player than Gus anyway. If cap considerations are a key for this year, play him.

I don't really care what Gus decides to do. He could choose to play better when he's in, for one thing. Or he could leave. Realistically, even if Kimmo leaves, he could still be on the outside looking in next year too - with Alt looking ready, Manning and Lauridsen there too, possible trades or UFAs, and Ghost, Hagg and Morin coming in the next couple years.

I like Gus' spunk, but he is not a proven top 4 Dman, and he's not a PP specialist. A good argument could be made that you don't keep a smurf 3rd pairing guy on D unless he's a PPQB - esp. not a team with the smallish Timonen and Streit already in the top 4. I believe the 3rd pairing should be able to be a PK unit. Gus can't do that. Whether Luke and Mesz can is also a question.

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12-09-2013, 11:56 AM
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i disagree.
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Krug has speed that Gus can only dream of though. The guy is a little road runner out there.

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Mez might not be the final piece, but a few teams have lost Dmen to significant injuries. It's not out of the question that he could be dealt. I also think that Mez in good shape and playing well is a better player than Gus anyway. If cap considerations are a key for this year, play him.

I don't really care what Gus decides to do. He could choose to play better when he's in, for one thing. Or he could leave. Realistically, even if Kimmo leaves, he could still be on the outside looking in next year too - with Alt looking ready, Manning and Lauridsen there too, possible trades or UFAs, and Ghost, Hagg and Morin coming in the next couple years.

I like Gus' spunk, but he is not a proven top 4 Dman, and he's not a PP specialist. A good argument could be made that you don't keep a smurf 3rd pairing guy on D unless he's a PPQB - esp. not a team with the smallish Timonen and Streit already in the top 4. I believe the 3rd pairing should be able to be a PK unit. Gus can't do that. Whether Luke and Mesz can is also a question.
Mez is a better option when healthy, but he hasn't been healthy for a long time. I'm not convinced that he'll ever fully recover from the onslaught of injuries he's had the past two years. One average stretch (at best) of 10-15 games isn't convincing anyone else either.

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Gus is the new Oskars Bartulis....

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Mez still looks sloppy half the time he's on the ice.

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Well Mez has been healthy all season so far and outside of his last two games he's been horrendous while facing the easiest competition and getting decent pp time and limited ES minutes. I really don't know where this "Mez is better when healthy" talk is coming from. Healthy Mez from yrs ago certainly was but recent healthy Mez is not, and it's not even debatable. The sats are there to support this.

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There's no good reason to play him over Gus.

He's done practically nothing to demonstrate he has value. He's hurt the team overall. How many goals in the Dallas game came with him on the ice?

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Meszaros has been healthy for the vast majority of the season and he has like on good season to his name for us. Even prior to acquiring him Tampa traded him for the exact same reasons nobody wants him now.

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I'm really pulling for this guy. Ik of him as a friend of a friend, and I hope he gets better. As for Gus we saw what he can do last year. Kimmo isn't going to be around forever. Streit is well in the same boat. As it stands Gus is closest to taking over that role. He needs to play, but it seems like a situation similiar to Couts with Lavy to me.
I was talking about Marc-Andre Bergeron not Bourdon.

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i disagree.
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Gus is no Krug.

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He watched them in the press box at home games, agonizingly sitting as a healthy scratch while frequent sub Andrej Meszaros tore it up with nine points in six games.

"I told a few guys, I thought it would be a long time before I got back in the lineup," Gustafsson said. " 'Mez' was playing great. I feel sorry for him. It's tough being on the side - I know. He played so well."

Gustafsson, 25, also watched video of his first 20 games this season. And he spent plenty of time soul-searching.

"I want to find my game," Gustafsson said. "It's been a season of ups and downs. I'm just trying to look forward. My goal is obviously to be in the lineup every game for the rest of the season."

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"His defensive play had fallen," Berube said. "I didn't like his game in Columbus, that's why I made the change. It's just what I did, [there were] all kinds of options."

For Gustafsson, it was the perfect opportunity to try to impress the coaching staff. The result was a disastrous, 6-1 blowout loss to the Bruins.

The main difference between Gustafsson and a full-time NHL player is not a physical attribute - although a better shot from the point wouldn't hurt. Instead, as Gustafsson believes, the difference lies in between his ears.

"I think it's confidence, being able to hold onto the puck, relax out there and be able to make the right decisions," Gustafsson said. "You've got to be composed, be poised with the puck. You need to join the rush, be able to make quick passes to forwards to get them up to the offensive zone.

"Being out helped a little bit, actually. You have way more time with the puck than you actually realize out there."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...d1WvfIwpXEM.99

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Gus has looked great out there. Berube had also trusted him with pk time. Schenn. Play has taken a turn with Mez not being there.

Glad Berube has seen the terrible defensive play of Mez like 90% of us on here saw.

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He's never going to get better if he doesn't get a consistent chance. Let's stick with him, give him time on the ice, and see what he can do. With the state of our team/blue line, we have nothing to lose.

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