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12-09-2013, 07:01 PM
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Another NYI-ANA Goalie Deal!

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2014 First Round Pick (let's say 3rd overall)

I don't know if this is too much for the Isles, not enough for Anaheim, etc. Some of my Isles fan friends have been tossing out Strome for Gibson. To me, that's way too much. But a top three pick? One of Ekblad, Dal Colle or Reinhart?

Obviously if they pick is like eighth, it's probably not enough. But let's assume the Isles get the third overall.

(And yes, Gibson is not getting traded. Just trying to see if the value matches up.)

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Seems like pretty fair value, what may cause the Ducks to say no is that it looks like they'll already have a top 10 pick in the draft courtesy of Ottawa

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At the Draft

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2014 First Round Pick (let's say 3rd overall)

I don't know if this is too much for the Isles, not enough for Anaheim, etc. Some of my Isles fan friends have been tossing out Strome for Gibson. To me, that's way too much. But a top three pick? One of Ekblad, Dal Colle or Reinhart?

Obviously if they pick is like eighth, it's probably not enough. But let's assume the Isles get the third overall.

(And yes, Gibson is not getting traded. Just trying to see if the value matches up.)
Schneider on a good contract, proven in the NHL, fully developed on a good contract fetches the 9th pick last year but Gibson is somehow worth a 3rd overall pick. I don't think so.

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12-09-2013, 07:12 PM
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The value is there, but I would definitely prefer to hang on to Gibson. Anaheim already has two 1sts in the draft, and one of them could be pretty decent.

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Schneider on a good contract, proven in the NHL, fully developed on a good contract fetches the 9th pick last year but Gibson is somehow worth a 3rd overall pick. I don't think so.
Schneider is also 27. Gibson is 20, playing his first year of pro hockey, and is tearing up the AHL.

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Schneider on a good contract, proven in the NHL, fully developed on a good contract fetches the 9th pick last year but Gibson is somehow worth a 3rd overall pick. I don't think so.

Although I wouldn't go anywhere near this, and think the OP grossly overrated Gibson's market value, I do have to point out that a top five pick in a draft this weak may actually be worth less than a 9th overall in a stronger draft.

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Schneider on a good contract, proven in the NHL, fully developed on a good contract fetches the 9th pick last year but Gibson is somehow worth a 3rd overall pick. I don't think so.
Didn't NYI also send their First rounder to Buf for Vanek?

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Anaheim should consider trading Hiller to them for a second this year and a second next year. New York gets their goalie, and Anaheim gets a pick which could be close to a third 1st rounder and another one the next year. Fair deal for a goalie his caliber on a rental deal.

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Didn't NYI also send their First rounder to Buf for Vanek?
If it's in the top 10, they can choose to defer until 2015 when it's not protected.

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Anaheim should consider trading Hiller to them for a second this year and a second next year. New York gets their goalie, and Anaheim gets a pick which could be close to a third 1st rounder and another one the next year. Fair deal for a goalie his caliber on a rental deal.
I don't think Anaheim can afford to trade Hiller with Fasth's health being such a big question mark.

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Although I wouldn't go anywhere near this, and think the OP grossly overrated Gibson's market value, I do have to point out that a top five pick in a draft this weak may actually be worth less than a 9th overall in a stronger draft.
I'm probably dramatically overrating Gibson's value. Just want to see (a) what Ducks fans think it is and (b) what Isles fans think.

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if this were a stronger draft you might be able to talk me into it the play of andersen atleast makes it possible to see what teams would offer for gibson

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I don't think Anaheim can afford to trade Hiller with Fasth's health being such a big question mark.
This. Plus, why are the Isles giving up even more assets (they don't have a 2nd in 2015, it's Buffalo's) for a rental in Hiller?

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(And yes, Gibson is not getting traded. Just trying to see if the value matches up.)
Value is there, Gibson is the best goalie prospect out there.

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If it's in the top 10, they can choose to defer until 2015 when it's not protected.
I don't see how they could use the pick in a move until they know if the the pick for Vanek gets deferred because they're requirements for that to happen so until those requirements are met its this years first rounder.

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Gibson's trade value is a lot lower than his actual value is to Anaheim. Gibson at 20 has a very impressive resume and has been playing incredible, and it's carried over from last season. He is seen as the goalie of the future for this team, and has franchise goalie potential. However, goalies are also a crapshoot when it comes to projecting their future and they have a low market value so it makes no sense to the ducks to trade him. It would have to be a huge overpayment.

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I don't see how they could use the pick in a move until they know if the the pick for Vanek gets deferred because they're requirements for that to happen so until those requirements are met its this years first rounder.
That's why I said at the Draft and 3rd overall, meaning -- it's the Islanders, not the Sabres.

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Gibson's trade value is a lot lower than his actual value is to Anaheim. Gibson at 20 has a very impressive resume and has been playing incredible, and it's carried over from last season. He is seen as the goalie of the future for this team, and has franchise goalie potential. However, goalies are also a crapshoot when it comes to projecting their future and they have a low market value so it makes no sense to the ducks to trade him. It would have to be a huge overpayment.
Totally aware and totally agree. Was curious if Ducks fans see the third overall as enough of an overpayment.

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Schneider is also 27. Gibson is 20, playing his first year of pro hockey, and is tearing up the AHL.
The AHL is not the NHL. Schneider had proven his abilities against a much high level of competition than Gibson, including the NHL playoffs.

Gibson's market value is probably closer to Bernier than Schneider.

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Totally aware and totally agree. Was curious if Ducks fans see the third overall as enough of an overpayment.
As a ducks fan, I would rather keep Gibson and hope he becomes what he has the potential to be instead of Reinhart/Ekblad/Dal Colle etc.. However, MAYBE if it was top 3 next year, with McDavid, Barzal, Eichel, Hanifin and Roy all there. That's a big maybe though, at least to me personally, Gibson is one of my favourite prospects and I really don't want to lose him.

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Although I wouldn't go anywhere near this, and think the OP grossly overrated Gibson's market value, I do have to point out that a top five pick in a draft this weak may actually be worth less than a 9th overall in a stronger draft.
I agree this is a very weak draft and the Islanders make questionable decisions. But Jason Labarbara was a world class AHL goalie and a scrub in the NHL. I'm not at all saying Gibson will turn into a Labarbara but let's see how he does when he gets some action in the NHL before we start saying he's worth a top 5 pick at an NHL draft, regardless of how weak the draft class is.

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Value is there. But I want to keep Gibson regardless.

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I agree this is a very weak draft and the Islanders make questionable decisions. But Jason Labarbara was a world class AHL goalie and a scrub in the NHL. I'm not at all saying Gibson will turn into a Labarbara but let's see how he does when he gets some action in the NHL before we start saying he's worth a top 5 pick at an NHL draft, regardless of how weak the draft class is.
Oh, I agree, about the value.

But, I don't think it is the same with Gibson and a bazillion other AHL goalies who have been successful at that level. Unlike a Labarbara, Gibson has a history of being a strong prospect that dates back to his junior years. He is on a much steeper trajectory.

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The AHL is not the NHL. Schneider had proven his abilities against a much high level of competition than Gibson, including the NHL playoffs.

Gibson's market value is probably closer to Bernier than Schneider.
Gibson also helped the US win gold in the World Championships.

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I don't really see either team doing this. Gibson doesn't really mend anything in Brooklyn just yet, and Anaheim isn't really a team that needs to stock up.

As an aside, I feel we'd have to add to Gibson to get that high of a pick.

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