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12-09-2013, 07:49 PM
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Oh so we are going to use a one game sample then?

Who was playing AT ALL the game before?

The coach says Moore > MDZ. The games played show he prefers Moore > MDZ.

But you think you can twist around a quote where he very clearly states Moore > MDZ into him saying that MDZ is better.

Good luck with that.
Ok you win.
He played DZ over Moore in top 4 with Staal injured just for fun.

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12-09-2013, 07:50 PM
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Ok you win.
He played DZ over Moore in top 4 with Staal injured just for fun.
Oh gee, could it be that Moore has struggled the past couple games?

But Im sure you are right, all those times MDZ was inactive, and all those times he said that Moore > MDZ was just pretend, he really liked MDZ more all along

The secret is out, congratulations Mr. Holmes

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12-09-2013, 07:51 PM
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Moore is in no way, shape, or form a better hockey player than MDZ.

And this is coming from me....

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12-09-2013, 07:52 PM
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Moore is in no way, shape, or form a better hockey player than MDZ.

And this is coming from me....
another person who clearly should be in the NHL front office, smarter than the current coaches of the team! most impressive.

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12-09-2013, 07:55 PM
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another person who clearly should be in the NHL front office, smarter than the current coaches of the team! most impressive.
FWIW I think half the people here know more about today's game than Sather.

What I mean is, any regular poster here can tell you how I feel about MDZ. When I think he's better it's pretty telling.

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12-09-2013, 07:56 PM
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FWIW I think half the people here know more about today's game than Sather.

What I mean is, any regular poster here can tell you how I feel about MDZ. When I think he's better it's pretty telling.
Who said anything about Sather

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12-09-2013, 07:59 PM
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Who said anything about Sather
You mentioned the front office, that would be Sather...

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12-09-2013, 08:06 PM
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John Moore shouldnt be on this team long term. People fall in love with players too quick here. He has a long way to go before he fills DZ's shoes.

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12-09-2013, 09:57 PM
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MDZ is easily better then Moore. Don't really see how that's even up for debate. As for the future, who knows. It's clear as day though that management has plans for one, while the other is not wanted here long term (although that could have changed with the Staal injury).

I hate MDZ and wanted him gone long ago, which is short sighted of me. But in absolutely no way is Moore as good as him right now. Nor has he ever been, including last year.

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12-09-2013, 10:07 PM
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Oh gee, could it be that Moore has struggled the past couple games?

But Im sure you are right, all those times MDZ was inactive, and all those times he said that Moore > MDZ was just pretend, he really liked MDZ more all along

The secret is out, congratulations Mr. Holmes
1.) Moore has sucked all season, not just the last couple of games

2.) AV mentioned that he benched MDZ because he's heard how good of a NHLer he was and just wasn't seeing it. I will find the quote and post it here:

3.) People (not just you) seem to forget that Moore and Del Zotto are the same age.

Del Zotto:
23 years old
273 Games Played
A 41 point season

John Moore:
23 years old
123 games played
Highest scoring season- 7 points

Just because Moore can skate well and had a decent season last year doesn't mean he's better than a veteran 23 year old who has actually played top 4 minutes in his career.

A lot of people on this site also seem to bash MDZs defensive game and IQ while conveniently ignoring Moore's lack of said attributes.

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12-09-2013, 10:17 PM
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Moore better than del zotto?

The **** did I just read... ?

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12-09-2013, 11:56 PM
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Moore has regressed and it's disappointing considering how he looked at the end of last season. Even then he wasn't great, but you could see the potential. Now he just looks lost. He is a player who would've benefited greatly from playing under Tortorella for a year or two, the same way Stralman did.

As it stands right now Moore is a great skater, that's about it. He makes bad reads, jumps up into the play at the wrong time pretty often, carries the puck with tunnel vision and consistently gets beaten in his own zone.

Del Zotto is significantly better than Moore at this point in time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply blinded by their dislike for Del Zotto. His mistakes are magnified to some of you, while Moore makes the same mistakes and often times many more, yet some think he is the better player.

He has the tools, but so far he's been a disappointment. I honestly feel bad for Del Zotto. He is better defensively by a mile and is better offensively as well, yet he gets put on the right side and he gets scratched.

Some of you see Moore skate the puck through the neutral zone and take a slap shot into the goalie or wide and say "wow Moore looks so good, he's a great offensive talent" when all I see is a guy who is skating with tunnel vision, always missing the opportunity to hit an open man on the rush and making poor decisions.

And if I see one more poster commenting about how Girardi is exposed by AV's system and then say that Moore looks good I'm going to lose it. He's a great skater and that's about it at this point in time. Girardi hasn't been nearly as bad as many on here make him out to be.

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12-10-2013, 05:52 AM
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Then we do this.

“None of those three have proven they can be on the top two pairs,” Vigneault said. “The one that has proven that he is the closest is John Moore.
“John had maybe a little patch of more difficulties the last few games there, but he is a very young player with, in our minds, a tremendous amount of upside. If anybody would show us they deserve to play ahead of [our top four], I’d give them the ice time, but nobody has really come up and played better than those guys.”

Now I shall wait for the argument that you know more than nhl coaches.
AV is right on the mark here. The problem with John Moore or any other player is the way the d group is constructed. Moore needs to be with a stay at home Dman. Putting him with another defensive liability is going to make him look absolutely awful. Every young defenseman needs a rock steady partner to cover his mistakes. The rangers don't have that period, outside of maybe Girardi of 2 years ago. The fact that we have half the defensive group being labeled by the coach as not ready means that at least one pair of our defenseman is compromised of two guys the coach does not think have shown that much. Moore has been in that d pair most of the season.

I think Moore can be better but he needs some help from a more reliable partner!

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12-10-2013, 08:02 AM
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AV is right on the mark here. The problem with John Moore or any other player is the way the d group is constructed. Moore needs to be with a stay at home Dman. Putting him with another defensive liability is going to make him look absolutely awful. Every young defenseman needs a rock steady partner to cover his mistakes. The rangers don't have that period, outside of maybe Girardi of 2 years ago. The fact that we have half the defensive group being labeled by the coach as not ready means that at least one pair of our defenseman is compromised of two guys the coach does not think have shown that much. Moore has been in that d pair most of the season.

I think Moore can be better but he needs some help from a more reliable partner!
Yeah obviously Moore's D partner is why all his pinches are awful, and why everytime he carries the puck up the ice it's a turnover .

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12-10-2013, 08:25 AM
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Skating is more important than every other aspect in hockey apparently .
It's the single most important aspect, what an ignorant statement.

A player can have all the skill in the world and if they can't skate for **** they end up being worthless. Had Tavares not worked hard on improving his skating he'd be half as good as he is.

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12-10-2013, 08:28 AM
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It's the single most important aspect, what an ignorant statement.

A player can have all the skill in the world and if they can't skate for **** they end up being worthless. Had Tavares not worked hard on improving his skating he'd be half as good as he is.
I didn't call it not important, I'm calling it a stupid argument that Moore is better than DZ. The love affair with his skating is irritating in that lately he's done nothing else right.

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12-10-2013, 08:30 AM
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It's the single most important aspect, what an ignorant statement.

A player can have all the skill in the world and if they can't skate for **** they end up being worthless. Had Tavares not worked hard on improving his skating he'd be half as good as he is.
I agree with you, and skating is indeed the impetus of all skill.

But some people act like we could just take an Olympic speed skater, throw him in a jersey and pads, and he becomes a great hockey player. Not quite.

You need to at least be average in other aspects. Outside of skating, Im not sure Moore is average at anything.

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I think his need for a stay at home defensemen to cover up his mistakes just shows how he isn't NHL caliber yet.

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I didn't call it not important, I'm calling it a stupid argument that Moore is better than DZ. The love affair with his skating is irritating in that lately he's done nothing else right.
I can read and I'm assuming you can as well, you didn't reference the argument of Moore vs MDZ at all in that post. Neither did the person you quoted...

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Skating is more important than every other aspect in hockey apparently .
Name me any good/great players who couldn't skate?

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Name me any good/great players who couldn't skate?
Ryan Smyth?

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Ryan Smyth?
I should have specified. Current. Smyth is old. His best years were in the pre 2004 nhl. Skating is the most important aspect in the NHL today. Tavares would be close even ground with Crosby if his skating wasn't so mediocre.

Defensemen even more so need to be fluid, strong skaters.

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12-10-2013, 06:23 PM
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I can read and I'm assuming you can as well, you didn't reference the argument of Moore vs MDZ at all in that post. Neither did the person you quoted...

Its true, the only thing people love about Moore is his skating,he sucks in every other category. People wanted him to replace DZ, lol

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Its true, the only thing people love about Moore is his skating,he sucks in every other category. People wanted him to replace DZ, lol
Well seeing as DZ also sucks at everything and is only an average skater, it certainly appears to be an improvement.

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Its true, the only thing people love about Moore is his skating,he sucks in every other category. People wanted him to replace DZ, lol
This is the point I was trying to make.

I'm not underrating skating ffs. There's more to the game than skating though.

John Moore is a skating sack of useless, for now.

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