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12-09-2013, 11:31 PM
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For realistic trades, I think the two pieces have to be similar. The asset you get back is the same type of asset you give.

Yakupov is two things:
-very high potential
-very bad stats

So what players out there fit that description? I am immediately reminded of Ryan Johansen from a year or two ago. Today? I'm tempted to say Markstrom but goalies are a strange animal to gauge. Grigorenko seems a bit low

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12-09-2013, 11:36 PM
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Well, not really.

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12-09-2013, 11:41 PM
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Yakupov
Labarbera

for

Markstrom
Kulikov/Gudbranson
Bergenheim


How off is this?

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12-09-2013, 11:46 PM
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Just leave the kid alone and let him figure it, zero chance the Oilers trade him in year 2 anyway.

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12-09-2013, 11:50 PM
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Yakupov
Labarbera

for

Markstrom
Kulikov/Gudbranson
Bergenheim


How off is this?
That's likely an overpayment by Florida, which is a testament to why the Oilers shouldn't be trading Yakupov right now.

I haven't seen Gudbranson play lately, but he has high draft pedigree. Is he no longer considered to have top pairing potential?

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12-09-2013, 11:52 PM
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Just leave the kid alone and let him figure it, zero chance the Oilers trade him in year 2 anyway.
The first won't happen, neither here on HFB nor in Edmonton.

The second part ... I doubt he gets traded this season either, barring a major confrontation between him and Eakins, but I certainly rate the chance a lot higher than "zero".

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12-10-2013, 01:23 AM
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Be prepared...his value is going to be stupidly underrated in this thread.
9 points in 29 games and a -19...

it should be stupidly underrated.

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12-10-2013, 01:54 AM
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9 points in 29 games and a -19...

it should be stupidly underrated.
just look at his stats from last season. Look at his entire career up to this point. He's a young player struggling to find consistency and a spot on a team that is overloaded at his position. The kid is a sleeping giant.

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12-10-2013, 02:12 AM
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Kyle Turris wasn't performing for 3 years, not half of one following a good performance.
Kyle Turris isn't going to the KHL any time soon.

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12-10-2013, 02:39 AM
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He has 21 goals and 19 assists through around 70 games in his career so far. So basically has a 20 goal scorer and a .5 PPG pace in his 'rookie' season. Not as bad as people make it out to be.

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12-10-2013, 03:30 AM
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Value on HF is low.
His value if he was actually traded in the real world is atleast a good prospect and a 1st.

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12-10-2013, 04:51 AM
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He has 21 goals and 19 assists through around 70 games in his career so far. So basically has a 20 goal scorer and a .5 PPG pace in his 'rookie' season. Not as bad as people make it out to be.
No, it is bad. It is beyond bad. Let's compare his stats to somewhat comparable players, who are valued as "moon+your 1st" (that is excluding Oilers draft picks, because they are worth nothing):

Yakupov: 77gp 21+19 0.52ppg -21
Huberdeau: 79gp 21+24 0.57ppg -17
Galchenyuk: 79gp 17+30 0.59ppg +14
MacKinnon: 28gp 6+11 0.61ppg +4
Barkov: 31gp 4+6 0.32ppg -8
Monahan: 24gp 9+6 0.63ppg -7

Some other players, obviously the russians are worth like a 5th or so:

Landeskog: 145gp 40+51 0.63ppg +23
Couturier: 153gp 22+35 0.37ppg +16
Seguin: 229gp 71+77 0.65ppg +62
Nichuskin: 27gp 4+11 0.56ppg +9
Tarasenko: 66gp 17+16 0.5ppg +2

There are no huge disparities in their stats, yet one (or maybe 3) players are worth sooo much less than others.

Also, let's assume that for example MacKinnon hits a slump after 48gp and gets Yakupov treatment from their coach and wants more playtime. Does his hf value be as low as Yakupovs? Of course not, HF will say that obviously he wants to play more and it is a good thing.


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12-10-2013, 04:53 AM
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9 points in 29 games and a -19...

it should be stupidly underrated.
But he was a 1st overall pick.Stats mean nothing when your the 1st overall pick.

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12-10-2013, 05:33 AM
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His value is equivalent to a young 5M dollar 1 dimensional top 6 winger.
Done Kessel for Yak sent the papers over.

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12-10-2013, 05:42 AM
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Be prepared...his value is going to be stupidly underrated in this thread.

I don't want to offer a comparable because this will turn into a whinefest, but I think Yakupov is worth more than Eberle.
Easily worth more than Eberle.

He's more athletic, he's more physical, he's stronger, he's got a way better shot and he's faster. His hockey IQ is debatable because he's having a hard time meshing with the Oilers this season.

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12-10-2013, 06:29 AM
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No, it is bad. It is beyond bad. Let's compare his stats to somewhat comparable players, who are valued as "moon+your 1st" (that is excluding Oilers draft picks, because they are worth nothing):

Yakupov: 77gp 21+19 0.52ppg -21
Huberdeau: 79gp 21+24 0.57ppg -17
Galchenyuk: 79gp 17+30 0.59ppg +14
MacKinnon: 28gp 6+11 0.61ppg +4
Barkov: 31gp 4+6 0.32ppg -8
Monahan: 24gp 9+6 0.63ppg -7

Some other players, obviously the russians are worth like a 5th or so:

Landeskog: 145gp 40+51 0.63ppg +23
Couturier: 153gp 22+35 0.37ppg +16
Seguin: 229gp 71+77 0.65ppg +62
Nichuskin: 27gp 4+11 0.56ppg +9
Tarasenko: 66gp 17+16 0.5ppg +2

There are no huge disparities in their stats, yet one (or maybe 3) players are worth sooo much less than others.

Also, let's assume that for example MacKinnon hits a slump after 48gp and gets Yakupov treatment from their coach and wants more playtime. Does his hf value be as low as Yakupovs? Of course not, HF will say that obviously he wants to play more and it is a good thing.
Look, I agree with you in principle for sure.

OTOH, long before Yakupov was drafted I would have argued that he is a good player, but definitely not as good as the avg "1st overall pick".

I mean, he just isn't "that" good. He probably had been a 8-10 pick had he not played kids hockey in Canada.

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12-10-2013, 06:33 AM
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IF HE WERE TRADED (and likely WONT be)

He should fetch a solid top 4 Dman. That is a big need in Edmonton. So a good #2Dman, or a good #3/4Dman + pick/prospect

(example: Carlson+1st)

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12-10-2013, 06:35 AM
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Done Kessel for Yak sent the papers over.
Right....because Kessel's 29 points compared to Yak's 9......and Kessel's +5 compared to Yak's-19 are almost identical!!

Listen....Yak may end up being a great player....but right now, he looks not so good. Why does it surprise you that people value him at how he is playing now?

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12-10-2013, 06:58 AM
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At the minimum, I imagine it's what Phoenix got for Kyle Turris. Top prospect + 2nd round pick.
I'll even add....Nathan Beaulieau (a top prospect) + Michael Bournival + 2nd round pick!

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12-10-2013, 08:45 AM
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Yakupov is still worth something as he's just 20 and a former #1 pick. I think if the Oilers wanted to trade him they could get a decent defenseman and 1st round pick back in return for him.

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12-10-2013, 09:05 AM
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What is the value of the former 1st overall right now? Any comparable? How many Yak dollars would it take to acquire him ?
The better question is if he is worth a 1st overall pick???

It's funny because before the draft, pick values were being discussed on here and most fans were valuing a top 3 pick to be a 1st line player, top 4 d man, top prospect and a 1st round pick...

Is the 1st overall pick in a draft worth that after the player has been drafted (with the exception of generational players)...

Nope.

These top picks are like new cars - once you roll them off the lot they lose half their value.

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12-10-2013, 09:08 AM
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Yakupov is still worth something as he's just 20 and a former #1 pick. I think if the Oilers wanted to trade him they could get a decent defenseman and 1st round pick back in return for him.
IMO, the simple fact he's a former 1st overall pick means absolutely nothing when gauging his value.

He has value for sure and he is still young, so there is no reason to be concerned.

I remember Joe Thornton had the same problem.

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12-10-2013, 09:54 AM
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IMO, the simple fact he's a former 1st overall pick means absolutely nothing when gauging his value.

He has value for sure and he is still young, so there is no reason to be concerned.

I remember Joe Thornton had the same problem.
Your opinion is wrong I think. Draft pedigree matters a lot. Skill level matters a lot, even when the player isn't scoring.

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9 points in 29 games and a -19...

it should be stupidly underrated.
Case in point.

If you look at current stars around the league, a lot of them had worse career stats at that point in their career than Yakupov

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Kyle Turris isn't going to the KHL any time soon.
Neither is Yakupov (apart from the speculation of random HF posters).

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