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12-09-2013, 02:27 PM
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Don't sully Homer's good name by associating him with Amaro.
Agreed. Amaro is possibly the worst gm in sports. Admits he doesn't like stats and has turned a team from perennial world series contender into straight mediocrity. How he still has a job baffles me as his teams have always failed expectations. And this year is going to be brutal, 4th or 5th place finish imo with a top 5 payroll. Such a joke, Amaro turned this team into the mets.

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Comparing Holmgren to Amaro is disgusting.

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I'll never forget Halladay's first playoff game.

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I'll never forget Halladay's first playoff game.
He was so awesome.

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Agreed. Amaro is possibly the worst gm in sports. Admits he doesn't like stats and has turned a team from perennial world series contender into straight mediocrity. How he still has a job baffles me as his teams have always failed expectations. And this year is going to be brutal, 4th or 5th place finish imo with a top 5 payroll. Such a joke, Amaro turned this team into the mets.
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Comparing Holmgren to Amaro is disgusting.
Yeah, I'm no where close to Holmgren's biggest fan, but Amaro is 10 times worse. Holmgren has his strengths, but I couldn't tell you one thing I like about Amaro.

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12-09-2013, 06:55 PM
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I'll never forget Halladay's first playoff game.
I won't forget his last either.

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One club says Phils will attach D. Brown if someone takes Papelbon, use $ for a starter

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wow Hamels?

...that's probably a bad idea

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That Brown + Papelbon isn't a terrible idea, except you will get nothing out of it, because you are sweetening a crappy Papelbon deal with your only asset.

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Rather add money to sweeten a deal than another asset. I have no faith in Ruben to make a good trade. His moves for players have been pretty good, but he hasn't been able to sell anyone as of yet.

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Hamels??? Somebody take the god damn keys away from Reuben, he's had waaaaay too much to drink. Good god that better be an exaggeration.

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Well between the constant dick measuring contest between the Eagles franchise and the Phillies it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like this to take news away from the Eagles.

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cliff lee and cole hamels are out there on trade market, as buster olney said. further words: phillies wont eat any $.
Can we take away the keys from Amaro before he does anything crazy?

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12-10-2013, 09:28 AM
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If they trade Hamels get ready for CBP looking like PNC.

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12-10-2013, 09:36 AM
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Sources say that Phillies will eat no money in any deal.

Honestly though, is Lee & Hamels contract that outrageous for what they bring? They are elite, if any team takes them they are winning the deal every day of the week regardless of their salaries.

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12-10-2013, 10:17 AM
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Lee I get shopping. He's old and getting older. Hamels is still young enough that he should be held on to. I'd prefer to keep both, but if Lee can be flipped for a stud young pitcher or maybe a stud OF or SS prospect, I'd be cool with it.

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That Brown + Papelbon isn't a terrible idea, except you will get nothing out of it, because you are sweetening a crappy Papelbon deal with your only asset.
Everything after the first comma is exactly why it is a terrible idea. If you ditch your best asset just to get rid of a contract that you couldn't wait to throw at a guy after just two years, it's the same as admitting to the entire baseball world that you are completely incompetent as a GM. For that reason, I doubt it will happen. Also, they would be sacrificing future wins to save some cash and that hasn't been the team's M.O. recently.

If it does happen, I'll pretty much enter into a blind rage.

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12-10-2013, 10:24 AM
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Reading these tweets has made me fear for the future.

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12-10-2013, 10:31 AM
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Now hold on here with the D-Brown and Pappelbon deals. This could turn out OK. Hear me out. Brown and Pap are flipped for a young pitching prospect, which I don't think is out of the question. The extra money is used to sign one of the Garzas or Jimenezes that are out there and maybe a Nelson Cruz or Choo (if he is still out there...or both maybe??). Lineup looks something like this:

Revere (CF)
Choo (RF)
Utley (2B)
Howard (1B)
Cruz (LF)
J-Roll (SS)
Asche (3B)
Chooch (C)

Hamels
Lee
Jimenez
Gonzalez
Pettibone/Kendrick/Maybe the young prospect acquired in the Paps deal

Highly unlikely, but you never know what these guys have cooking.

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12-10-2013, 10:34 AM
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Now hold on here with the D-Brown and Pappelbon deals. This could turn out OK. Hear me out. Brown and Pap are flipped for a young pitching prospect, which I don't think is out of the question. The extra money is used to sign one of the Garzas or Jimenezes that are out there and maybe a Nelson Cruz or Choo (if he is still out there...or both maybe??). Lineup looks something like this:

Revere (CF)
Choo (RF)
Utley (2B)
Howard (1B)
Cruz (LF)
J-Roll (SS)
Asche (3B)
Chooch (C)

Hamels
Lee
Jimenez
Gonzalez
Pettibone/Kendrick/Maybe the young prospect acquired in the Paps deal

Highly unlikely, but you never know what these guys have cooking.
The biggest problem that i see is your first 4 hitters hit from the left side. The only full time right handed hitters are Cruz and Chooch. Very lopsided

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Choo walks too much. Do NOT want.

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Choo walks too much. Do NOT want.
Wut?

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Choo walks too much. Do NOT want.
Joking?

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The biggest problem that i see is your first 4 hitters hit from the left side. The only full time right handed hitters are Cruz and Chooch. Very lopsided
Yeah that's true. Maybe put J-Roll back at the leadoff spot and hope that the fact that other players are hitting behind him will give him more patience at the plate and maybe draw a few more walks and not strikeout as much? Put Revere between Cruz and Asche or maybe try to flip Asche for a right handed 3B?

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The walk thing was obviously a joke because Amaro thinks walks are useless.

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