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12-09-2013, 10:33 PM
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I too believe that Gibson will be a good goaltender in the future but honestly I would rather pay the lesser price and grab Hiller who could help us now and hope a long term starter emerges from our system.

What would be a serious price for Hiller right now. Would you Nabokov to be a Vet back-up?
No the point of trading Hiller is to get rid of a goalie

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12-09-2013, 11:26 PM
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Cory Schneider for the 9th pick
Jonathan Bernier for Frattin and a 2nd
Gibson for the 3rd overall pick

Is there something wrong with you?

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12-10-2013, 02:31 AM
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Cory Schneider for the 9th pick
Jonathan Bernier for Frattin and a 2nd
Gibson for the 3rd overall pick

Is there something wrong with you?
Totally different cases. Not saying this isn't overpayment.

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12-10-2013, 03:22 AM
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Value is there. But I want to keep Gibson regardless.
Agree with this.

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12-10-2013, 08:50 AM
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A big part of the issue is the pick doesn't help us for a few years while Gibson will play a few games next year. The rest of it is what do we get that we don't already have? If its not a top pairing d partner for fowler, or a nhl established young 2c we already have one in the nhl or the system.
If Ekblad is on the board with that pick(or if the Isles finish with the 2nd and he's there) does that change anything?

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12-10-2013, 09:44 AM
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If Ekblad is on the board with that pick(or if the Isles finish with the 2nd and he's there) does that change anything?
That would be a tough one, we already have Fowler, Lindholm, and Vatanen on the NHL roster. So it would be hard to play a 4th guy who is that young. I would likely lean towards keeping Gibson but it would be very very close.

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12-10-2013, 09:45 AM
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Cory Schneider for the 9th pick
Jonathan Bernier for Frattin and a 2nd
Gibson for the 3rd overall pick

Is there something wrong with you?
Sadly, it would still be one of Snow's safer moves. That's saying a bit.

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12-10-2013, 09:59 AM
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That would be a tough one, we already have Fowler, Lindholm, and Vatanen on the NHL roster. So it would be hard to play a 4th guy who is that young. I would likely lean towards keeping Gibson but it would be very very close.
Yeah just wanted to pick the brain of a Ducks fan. That would be tough from an Isles perspective as well but Gibson seems like a pretty safe bet.

OT, but wanted to say you guys are a classy bunch. Flew in from NY to catch a couple of games this week. I was pretty much abused in LA and expected more of the same in ANA. Was surprised by how friendly everyone was. Ill be rooting for you the rest of the way

...on second thought maybe not. Don't want to pass along the Isles' bad luck.

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Sadly, it would still be one of Snow's safer moves. That's saying a bit.
Snow has actually been the definition of a safe GM up until this year. The Vanek deal caught pretty much all of us off guard. Definitely out of character for him. The only other move like that was the Ryan Smyth trade in '07, which luckily didn't come back to bite us at all.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll be so lucky this time.

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Yeah just wanted to pick the brain of a Ducks fan. That would be tough from an Isles perspective as well but Gibson seems like a pretty safe bet.

OT, but wanted to say you guys are a classy bunch. Flew in from NY to catch a couple of games this week. I was pretty much abused in LA and expected more of the same in ANA. Was surprised by how friendly everyone was. Ill be rooting for you the rest of the way

...on second thought maybe not. Don't want to pass along the Isles' bad luck.
OC Crowd is defiantly more family oriented, and unless you start stuff you won't be messed with. Only time i see something happen its usually a Red Wings or Kings fan starting stuff.

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12-10-2013, 10:18 AM
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OC Crowd is defiantly more family oriented, and unless you start stuff you won't be messed with. Only time i see something happen its usually a Red Wings or Kings fan starting stuff.
Yeah I think my starting stuff days are over.

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Hey I love Gibson like everyone else and absolutely don't want to trade him but if Anderson keeps ripping it up, a haul of Dal Colle and Leon Draisaitl would be a nice from the draft thanks to the Islanders and Sens..

I could get on board with it even though it's not my first choice to move Gibson.


The Ducks still would have their late 1st as well.

With the Ducks already loaded with prospect depth and young promising NHL ready players this would only further give them an embarrassment of ritches! They then can use some of those assists to flip and yield the young promising or top pairing defenseman they all want to play with Fowler.

If definitely not a deal I would be mad about by any stretch of the imagination but I'm totally content with keeping Gibby too!


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OC Crowd is defiantly more family oriented, and unless you start stuff you won't be messed with. Only time i see something happen its usually a Red Wings or Kings fan starting stuff.
I have been treated really nicely at the staples center. Also very easy to reach these days, with a nearby metro stop.

Maybe it is because I paid so much for the damn center ice seats!

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Totally different cases. Not saying this isn't overpayment.
You're absolutely right. Bernier and Schneider are established young goalies who had a higher trade value. Gibson is a prospect. This proposal is incredibly stupid and carries no thought

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12-10-2013, 02:25 PM
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Sadly, it would still be one of Snow's safer moves. That's saying a bit.
He is a blithering idiot. There's no denying that

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Although I wouldn't go anywhere near this, and think the OP grossly overrated Gibson's market value, I do have to point out that a top five pick in a draft this weak may actually be worth less than a 9th overall in a stronger draft.
Saying a draft class is weak before the players have even reached their potential is quite unfair. There are actually a lot of really good prospects in this draft...Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett, McCann, Draisaitl, Dal Colle, Nylander, Fluery, Karlsson, Kempe, Perlini...some pretty good top end talent there if you ask me.

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Yeah just wanted to pick the brain of a Ducks fan. That would be tough from an Isles perspective as well but Gibson seems like a pretty safe bet.

OT, but wanted to say you guys are a classy bunch. Flew in from NY to catch a couple of games this week. I was pretty much abused in LA and expected more of the same in ANA. Was surprised by how friendly everyone was. Ill be rooting for you the rest of the way

...on second thought maybe not. Don't want to pass along the Isles' bad luck.

The Pondacenter is pretty family oriented. The plus side is you never have bad experiences but there is something to say for crazy atmosphere.


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You're absolutely right. Bernier and Schneider are established young goalies who had a higher trade value. Gibson is a prospect. This proposal is incredibly stupid and carries no thought
Ya lets forget the fact that both that those teams had 2 gaolies they were paying #1 money to and they were coming up on UFA years. I already said this is overpayment.

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Saying a draft class is weak before the players have even reached their potential is quite unfair. There are actually a lot of really good prospects in this draft...Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett, McCann, Draisaitl, Dal Colle, Nylander, Fluery, Karlsson, Kempe, Perlini...some pretty good top end talent there if you ask me.
I disagree. The fact that pundits and scouts are rating this draft weak means that picks (like the Isles first) will not have that much value.

That doesn't automatically mean that all of these guys won't develop. Over the years, I've seen some drafts that everybody thought was weak produce stars and vice-a-versa. But, it does say something about the value of picks this year.

I think you'll see a lot of contenders moving late firsts as a result.

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Ya lets forget the fact that both that those teams had 2 gaolies they were paying #1 money to and they were coming up on UFA years. I already said this is overpayment.
The goalies traded by LA and VCR are not close to UFA status, and Anaheim also has a problem with excessive depth in goal. The exact same market forces are at work here.

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Anaheim also has a problem with excessive depth in goal.
What? No, we do not have any sort of problem with that.

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I disagree. The fact that pundits and scouts are rating this draft weak means that picks (like the Isles first) will not have that much value.

That doesn't automatically mean that all of these guys won't develop. Over the years, I've seen some drafts that everybody thought was weak produce stars and vice-a-versa. But, it does say something about the value of picks this year.

I think you'll see a lot of contenders moving late firsts as a result.
Who are these pundits claiming its a very weak draft? Everybody has an opinion, you may have heard a few people say they think its weak but I doubt its a consensus. I like this years crop just as much as last years. Mackinnon is a lot better than Reinhart imo but other than that I'm not seeing a huge disparity from last year to this year.

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Who are these pundits claiming its a very weak draft? Everybody has an opinion, you may have heard a few people say they think its weak but I doubt its a consensus. I like this years crop just as much as last years. Mackinnon is a lot better than Reinhart imo but other than that I'm not seeing a huge disparity from last year to this year.
I sure hope you are right, given that (sadly) I think the Isles will be drafting rather high.

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What? No, we do not have any sort of problem with that.
You have three goalies with NHL experience and Gibson.

Now, I know you guys are expecting Hiller to go, and VF is injury prone. But, for now, that is pretty nice depth.

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The goalies traded by LA and VCR are not close to UFA status, and Anaheim also has a problem with excessive depth in goal. The exact same market forces are at work here.
Schneider is 2 years away and Luongo still had 9 years left on his contract.

Bernier is 3 years away from UFA and Quick has 10 years left on his contract.

Bernier and Schneider were moved because if they wern't then they would have been lost for nothing in 2-3 years. Unlike Gibson who has 8 years left and no reason for the Ducks to trade him.

"A problem with excessive depth"...... lol funniest thing I have ever read on here.

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You have three goalies with NHL experience and Gibson.

Now, I know you guys are expecting Hiller to go, and VF is injury prone. But, for now, that is pretty nice depth.
Well, exactly! It's nice depth. It would only become a problem if Andersen/Gibson were beyond developing/waiting or if their path was blocked. But for now, it's about as much a problem as Strome was illustrative of a problem with you guys (well, although I suppose many of you are seeing a problem with him being kept down so long in the first place, but you get what I mean).

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