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12-09-2013, 10:00 PM
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I think Markov will ask for something around 6M - 6.5M
Subban should have something around 7.5 - 8M
Eller should have something between 3.5 - 4M
White should get something around 1M
That's a total of: 19.5M

Right now, Montreal has a cap of 62.5M

Gionta will leave, that's 5M
Bouillon will most likely leave, that's 1.5M
Murray might leave, that's 1.5M
Parros might leave/get replaced, that's 1M

We're at 53.5 after these players left.

After resigning all the players above, we're at 73M. Bergevin will have work to do and it's a good thing that the cap is going back to 70M.

If he were able to trade either Desharnais or Bouruqe, it'd help greatly.

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12-09-2013, 10:29 PM
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Don't mean to be too picky, but the article mentioned a cap between 70 and 71.5 M:

Des sources consultées par La Presse ont indiqué que le plafond, fixé actuellement à 64,3 millions, devrait dépasser les 70 millions la saison prochaine. On parle d'une limite établie quelque part entre 70 et 71,5 millions.

Anyway it's positive from a Habs point of view.

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12-09-2013, 11:08 PM
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Cap going up isn't a such great new since the cap is the same for everyone also you just end up paying everyone more. Also cap goes up = revenue are up which mean more revenue sharing going to the poor team...

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12-10-2013, 01:44 AM
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Cap going up isn't a such great new since the cap is the same for everyone also you just end up paying everyone more. Also cap goes up = revenue are up which mean more revenue sharing going to the poor team...
You have it wrong. The Habs are a cap ceiling team, so it's good, they can spend more money on players which means they can retain and/or obtain better players (because logically, the better you are, the more money you'll get). The cap going up is bad for cap flooring teams, they won't be able to compete with ceiling teams on the open market.

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12-10-2013, 04:59 AM
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I think Markov will ask for something around 6M - 6.5M
Subban should have something around 7.5 - 8M
Eller should have something between 3.5 - 4M
White should get something around 1M
That's a total of: 19.5M

Right now, Montreal has a cap of 62.5M

Gionta will leave, that's 5M
Bouillon will most likely leave, that's 1.5M
Murray might leave, that's 1.5M
Parros might leave/get replaced, that's 1M

We're at 53.5 after these players left.

After resigning all the players above, we're at 73M. Bergevin will have work to do and it's a good thing that the cap is going back to 70M.

If he were able to trade either Desharnais or Bouruqe, it'd help greatly.
I don't know if you crunched the numbers right.

I went on capgeek; gave PK 8.5, gave Eller 4, Markov the same (I think he'll take the same), Diaz 2.5, signed Murray for the same 1.5, White 1 mill, Parros the same, canned Gio and Cube, called up a few AHLers and I had almost 7 million in cap space with a 71M cap. Pretty sure I did everything right too.

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12-10-2013, 08:43 AM
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There's more than just cap space, when you consider:



So Montreal is one of the top 3 markets allowing for greater league revenue, but it can't get any recognition that its cap space is handcuffed by both high local taxes and a dwindling Canadian dollar -- at least Taranna is only facing the latter.
Molson needs to deal with this. Taxes should definitely be taken into account with revenue sharing. He had better be on the bloody phone to Buttman this year.

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12-10-2013, 08:49 AM
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I don't know if you crunched the numbers right.

I went on capgeek; gave PK 8.5, gave Eller 4, Markov the same (I think he'll take the same), Diaz 2.5, signed Murray for the same 1.5, White 1 mill, Parros the same, canned Gio and Cube, called up a few AHLers and I had almost 7 million in cap space with a 71M cap. Pretty sure I did everything right too.
Was the current salary of the guys getting raises subtracted?

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12-10-2013, 09:35 AM
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Was the current salary of the guys getting raises subtracted?
- Markov; 3 yrs extention at 6.5 yr 1, 5.5 yr 2, 4.5 yr 3
- Deal Drewiske for 7th, offer Tinordi Murray's role and Beaulieu that of Bouillon's
- 5M left to bring gionta back at 3-4M or a better UFA if you free up more cash.

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) /
Alex Galchenyuk ($0.925m) / Lars Eller ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.685m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Daniel Briere ($4.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Michael Bournival ($0.660m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Ryan White ($0.750m) / Christian Thomas ($0.808m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.500m) / P.K. Subban ($7.850m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Alexei Emelin ($4.100m)
Jarred Tinordi ($0.870m) / Raphael Diaz ($3.000m)
Nathan Beaulieu ($0.925m) /

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)

BUYOUTS
Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
Scott Gomez ($0.000m)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,056,667; BONUSES: $3,419,167
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,043,333

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12-10-2013, 10:58 AM
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Cap increased to $71mil (MTL will have $27.5)

Cap has been increased approximately $7mil for next year, and we will have $27.5m to spend.

This is how I would split that $27.5m:

$7.5 - Subban
$5.75 - Markov
$0.7 - White
$3 - Eller
$6.5 - Phaneuf
$4 - Girardi

And then we would have close to $0 left (not saying its the best to do that, obviously having no capspace puts limitations on trade negotiations)

Our lineup would then look like:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Eller
Bourque - Desharnais - Briere
Prust - White - Moen

Subban - Phaneuf
Markov - Emelin
Girardi - Gorges
Drewiske

Price
Budaj

(P.S. I know we don't have a 13th forward incase of injuries... I was thinking we could trade away Desharnais so some of our prospects can move into 3rd or fourth line.. that $3.5 can be well used, same thing can apply to other players)

Let me know what you think

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12-10-2013, 11:00 AM
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Cap has been increased approximately $7mil for next year, and we will have $27.5m to spend.

This is how I would split that $27.5m:

$7.5 - Subban
$5.75 - Markov
$0.7 - White
$3 - Eller
$6.5 - Phaneuf
$4 - Girardi

And then we would have close to $0 left (not saying its what I want, obviously having no capspace puts limitations on trade negotiations)

Our lineup would then look like:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Eller
Bourque - Desharnais - Briere
Prust - White - Moen

Subban - Phaneuf
Markov - Emelin
Girardi - Gorges
Drewiske

Price
Budaj



Let me know what you think
That is one expensive defense

and Girardi will get more 4M on the free agency market, I wouldn't give Phaneuf 6,5M I'd rather spend that money on Vanek

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12-10-2013, 11:01 AM
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Cap has been increased approximately $7mil for next year, and we will have $27.5m to spend.

This is how I would split that $27.5m:

$7.5 - Subban
$5.75 - Markov
$0.7 - White
$3 - Eller
$6.5 - Phaneuf
$4 - Girardi

And then we would have close to $0 left (not saying its what I want, obviously having no capspace puts limitations on trade negotiations)

Our lineup would then look like:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Eller
Bourque - Desharnais - Briere
Prust - White - Moen

Subban - Phaneuf
Markov - Emelin
Girardi - Gorges
Drewiske

Price
Budaj



Let me know what you think
Oh jeezus. No laffs captain here.

I hope we sign no "premiere" free agents. Let Tinordi and Beauliu develop. Make a trade for a top six winger like Kane.

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12-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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Phaneuf?

Oh god noes

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Go after Vanek, and maybe 1 top 4 D and thats IT

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Agreed vanek is the target or should be we need that sniper bad

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no need for Phaneuf here, the dude, while not terrible, is a shadow of his former self.


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No way Girardi gets only 4M$ in the open market.

That third line looks terrible.

But plan A would be Vanek but I wouldn't surprised that the Rangers sign him. That will maybe make Callahan available so I'd target him to replace Gionta.

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That gives a lot of options for Bergevin. Signing Subban and Markov being his priority, I'd take a closer look at this list of UFAs (given they are not signed) :

Defense

Phaneuf (He's a not a favorite here but he'd be great on a second pairing and less responsibilities)
Orpik
Willie Mitchell (Limited time contract)
Chris Phillips (Limited time contract)
Matt Greene

Offense

Vanek
Stastny
Marleau
Steen
Ott

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Agreed, no need for Phaneuf here, the dude, while not terrible, is a shadow of his former self.
Anyone who thinks we should sign Phaneuf should watch the last 10 minutes of BOS-TOR game 7 last year. The guy totally disappeared under pressure. We have future blueliners in Hamilton. Tinordi needs NHL development full-time next year. Pateryn could also be a useful stay at home dman as well. Spend money getting bigger and grittier with some skill up front (ala Steve Ott).

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I'm all for overpaying to get an elite defense, especially given that the cap is going up, some older vets are moving on, and we have a lot of cheap young forwards who are producing and should continue to for the forseeable future.

That being said, a Subban-Phaneuf pairing would be an unmitigated disaster, and I like Phaneuf and find he's pretty underrated, but lets face it, pairing Subban with a poor mans Subban would be an absolute disaster, I can't even see it working too well on the PP.

Now if you were to say

Subban-Markov
Phaneuf-Emelin
Gorges-Diaz

I could maybe understand, but even then we need a way more responsible d-man than Phaneuf. Girardi would be a good fit, and he's all we would need:

Subban-Markov
Girardi-Emelin
Gorges-Diaz

That d corps is fine imo.

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phaneuf??


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Am I the only one who actually would be happy if Phaneuf signed here?
He's physical, a leader in one of the hardest city to captain in, and has some pretty nice offensive talent as well.

He'd be a great fit here on our 2nd pairing if he was to agree to that kind of minutes.

He's a good defenseman forced to play 1st pairing minutes in a team that has no one better. We have Subban (and hopefully Markov) and he'd be a great fit behind those 2

Yes, he's a Leaf, yes I hate him, but come on he's not all that bad at all

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Cap has been increased approximately $7mil for next year, and we will have $27.5m to spend.

This is how I would split that $27.5m:

$7.5 - Subban
$5.75 - Markov
$0.7 - White
$3 - Eller
$6.5 - Phaneuf
$4 - Girardi

And then we would have close to $0 left (not saying its the best to do that, obviously having no capspace puts limitations on trade negotiations)

Our lineup would then look like:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Eller
Bourque - Desharnais - Briere
Prust - White - Moen

Subban - Phaneuf
Markov - Emelin
Girardi - Gorges
Drewiske

Price
Budaj

(P.S. I know we don't have a 13th forward incase of injuries... I was thinking we could trade away Desharnais so some of our prospects can move into 3rd or fourth line.. that $3.5 can be well used, same thing can apply to other players)

Let me know what you think
That's horrible.

First off, Girardi will get a lot more than 4M. I don't think you know him enough if you think he's not even worth more than Emelin.
Second, he would never sign here to play on the 3rd pairing.
Third, no way am I giving Phaneuf 6.5M.
Fourth, you offensive lines are horrible. You're putting a player that played 1 game in the NHL at his natural position on the 1st line as a center? You're moving our 2nd best center to the wing where he clearly showed discomfort. Bournival is a full time 2nd line winger while not having proven that he's even a top 6 player yet. You assembled arguably the worst 3rd line in the NHL.


What you want is another player that can crash the net up front, and you want an upgrade for the top 4 D. I would like to aim for Vanek, but he wouldn't fix our net presence. We can't have Gallagher be the only guy that rushes goalies. In any event, we'll have room to make some changes. We'll just see if Bergevin is willing to make them.

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He isn't bad at all, but he isn't what we need either. If he was more on the defensive side I'd be all for it, but for the most part he's a d-man who has defensive shortcomings, ones he makes up for with his offense.

We need the exact opposite. We need a 30-40pt guy who may not score all the time when needed, but a guy who is a rock defensively. Physicality isn't a must but is definitely a factor depending on the person. Phaneuf has that physicality but his defensive game leaves much to be desired, even if I'm one of those who thinks its actually a lot better than people give him credit for.

I'd just much rather more of a defensive specialist who can put up points rather than an offensive specialist who can defend.

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Am I the only one who actually would be happy if Phaneuf signed here?
He's physical, a leader in one of the hardest city to captain in, and has some pretty nice offensive talent as well.

He'd be a great fit here on our 2nd pairing if he was to agree to that kind of minutes.

He's a good defenseman forced to play 1st pairing minutes in a team that has no one better. We have Subban (and hopefully Markov) and he'd be a great fit behind those 2

Yes, he's a Leaf, yes I hate him, but come on he's not all that bad at all
He'd be a perfect fit with PK and Markov. I seriously doubt he jumps ships though.

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He isn't bad at all, but he isn't what we need either. If he was more on the defensive side I'd be all for it, but for the most part he's a d-man who has defensive shortcomings, ones he makes up for with his offense.

We need the exact opposite. We need a 30-40pt guy who may not score all the time when needed, but a guy who is a rock defensively. Physicality isn't a must but is definitely a factor depending on the person. Phaneuf has that physicality but his defensive game leaves much to be desired, even if I'm one of those who thinks its actually a lot better than people give him credit for.

I'd just much rather more of a defensive specialist who can put up points rather than an offensive specialist who can defend.
That's only coaching. In Toronto, he's expected to carry the offensive load from the back end. Behind PK and Markov, he wouldn't have the same role. He'd be perfect on the 2nd PP pairing, and he would also face weaker opponents. He's not as bad defensively as some say. I believe on a 2nd pairing he'd dominate.

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