HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Cap increased to $71mil (MTL will have $27.5)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-10-2013, 10:57 AM
  #76
Rosso Scuderia
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,954
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HatTricK09 View Post
Am I the only one who actually would be happy if Phaneuf signed here?
He's physical, a leader in one of the hardest city to captain in, and has some pretty nice offensive talent as well.

He'd be a great fit here on our 2nd pairing if he was to agree to that kind of minutes.

He's a good defenseman forced to play 1st pairing minutes in a team that has no one better. We have Subban (and hopefully Markov) and he'd be a great fit behind those 2

Yes, he's a Leaf, yes I hate him, but come on he's not all that bad at all
He's also gonna get paid at around 6.5M$. Do you really want to pay that money for a 3rd defenseman?

I dunno why but I've never been a fan of Phaneuf. Not because he's a Leafs. Not because he's married to Elisha Cuthberg.. he just doesn't strike me as a dominant defenseman or a winner. He's not intimidating... he actually looks stupid for time to time.

Rosso Scuderia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:06 AM
  #77
Hemlor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 742
vCash: 500
pretty sure Subban is getting more than 7.5 AAV

Hemlor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:06 AM
  #78
dkdanielkli
GO HABS GO
 
dkdanielkli's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,511
vCash: 500
Send a message via Skype™ to dkdanielkli
Don't want Phaneuf here.

dkdanielkli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:09 AM
  #79
Uber Coca
Registered User
 
Uber Coca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,152
vCash: 500
Phaneuf is ridiculously underrated on this board. He averages 24:13 on a terrible defensive corps. Subban - Markov - Phaneuf would be a dominant offensive-minded defense. Not sure about the price.

Uber Coca is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:13 AM
  #80
Kriss E
HFB Partner
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27,646
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosso Scuderia View Post
He's also gonna get paid at around 6.5M$. Do you really want to pay that money for a 3rd defenseman?

I dunno why but I've never been a fan of Phaneuf. Not because he's a Leafs. Not because he's married to Elisha Cuthberg.. he just doesn't strike me as a dominant defenseman or a winner. He's not intimidating... he actually looks stupid for time to time.
I wouldn't mind paying him that much after we locked PK and Markov, if we have the funds. He would give our defensive core a whole new look.
Him and Girardi are two guys I'd gun for if they become available. Phaneuf is more offensive, Girardi is better defensively and is a righty. Either one though would really strengthen our defense.
Adding one of these guys would make Gorges way more expendable. We could wait to see how Tinordi/Beaulieu show up to camp, but I'm pretty sure they'll be capable of fighting for bottom pair minutes next year.
We should definitely be looking to add another top 3-4D, the better that guy is, the better for us.

Kriss E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:14 AM
  #81
BLONG7
Registered User
 
BLONG7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 13,826
vCash: 500
We will have some room, which is nice to hear!!
How he spends it, should be interesting....

BLONG7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:15 AM
  #82
Hullois
Suck it Trebek
 
Hullois's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hull, Qc
Country: Martinique
Posts: 2,492
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheWrist View Post
- Markov; 3 yrs extention at 6.5 yr 1, 5.5 yr 2, 4.5 yr 3
- Deal Drewiske for 7th, offer Tinordi Murray's role and Beaulieu that of Bouillon's
- 5M left to bring gionta back at 3-4M or a better UFA if you free up more cash.

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) /
Alex Galchenyuk ($0.925m) / Lars Eller ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.685m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Daniel Briere ($4.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Michael Bournival ($0.660m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Ryan White ($0.750m) / Christian Thomas ($0.808m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.500m) / P.K. Subban ($7.850m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Alexei Emelin ($4.100m)
Jarred Tinordi ($0.870m) / Raphael Diaz ($3.000m)
Nathan Beaulieu ($0.925m) /

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)

BUYOUTS
Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
Scott Gomez ($0.000m)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,056,667; BONUSES: $3,419,167
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,043,333
It would be awesome if we could sign Subban at a $7.85m cap hit!

Hullois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:21 AM
  #83
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 36,314
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Coca View Post
Phaneuf is ridiculously underrated on this board. He averages 24:13 on a terrible defensive corps. Subban - Markov - Phaneuf would be a dominant offensive-minded defense. Not sure about the price.
Yeah...signing Phaneuf to be a #1 would be a mistake, but signing him where he'd be insulated with Subban and (presuming he returns) Markov? No problem with that.

The thing is, Phaneuf will assuredly make more than $7m on his next contract. So is it smart to have your #3 guy making that much money? Not sure.

hototogisu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:25 AM
  #84
Avengers*
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 921
vCash: 500
Marc Bergevin should try to sign Marian Gaborik or Thomas Vanek.

Avengers* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:26 AM
  #85
c3z4r
Registered User
 
c3z4r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,193
vCash: 1363
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Coca View Post
Phaneuf is ridiculously underrated on this board. He averages 24:13 on a terrible defensive corps. Subban - Markov - Phaneuf would be a dominant offensive-minded defense. Not sure about the price.
Exactly, people don't realize that Phaneuf never had any help in Toronto. He's been playing with Gunnarson on the first pairing, who is basically Toronto's version of Gorges. Does everyone really think that Markov would play as well as Phaneuf has played with Gunnarson as his partner?

I would personally love to have Phaneuf. He plays some of the hardest minutes in the league and he's doing fine, despite not having a #2 as his partner.

Phaneuf with Subban would be arguably the best pairing in the league, both offensively and defensively. Markov on the second pairing with Emelin would be amazing as well. I mean how many teams can afford to put a guy like Gorges on the third pairing?

c3z4r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:28 AM
  #86
WeThreeKings
Sept 19th
 
WeThreeKings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,512
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to WeThreeKings
Phaneuf sucks.

The guy is a literal pylon. He can't even prevent cross-crease passes. He's brutal.

WeThreeKings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 11:37 AM
  #87
Oleg Petrov
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,294
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemlor View Post
pretty sure Subban is getting more than 7.5 AAV
8 years $76 million.
$9.5 per season.

Will be a lot in year 1 & 2, but will be a fair contract come year 3.

No way he signs long term at less then $9 million IMO

Oleg Petrov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 12:03 PM
  #88
Rosso Scuderia
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,954
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Coca View Post
Phaneuf is ridiculously underrated on this board. He averages 24:13 on a terrible defensive corps. Subban - Markov - Phaneuf would be a dominant offensive-minded defense. Not sure about the price.
I wouldn't mind a top 4 with Subban-Markov-Phaneuf-Emelin.. but that would be quite expensive... Like Kriss E, said, if we can get rid of Gorges contract, then we'll talk..

Let's see if Elisha Cuthbert can do what Maripier Morin did with Prust and try to bring Phaneuf in her hometown.

Girardi would be a good solution for our top 4 too.

Rosso Scuderia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 12:15 PM
  #89
Markowicz
Simple Jacques
 
Markowicz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,143
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosso Scuderia View Post
I wouldn't mind a top 4 with Subban-Markov-Phaneuf-Emelin.. but that would be quite expensive... Like Kriss E, said, if we can get rid of Gorges contract, then we'll talk..

Let's see if Elisha Cuthbert can do what Maripier Morin did with Prust and try to bring Phaneuf in her hometown.

Girardi would be a good solution for our top 4 too.
I tend to agree with the idea of trading Gorges. At 3.9m, he's a good value, but not on our team. I think he makes for a very decent 4th d-man on a mid-level team. If we want to win a cup, I think he'd be more like a 5-6 on our team, and at 3.9m he's too expensive to be holding down that role.

So we should try to trade him to a team like say the Devils or Sabres, who are in need of stability on D, but who aren't in serious contention for a cup any time soon. That will free up enough cash for us to get a serious top 4 d-man i suspect.

I don't really want to trade Gorges per say, but I feel like down the road this is the kind of trade you need to make to get to the next level.

Markowicz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 12:22 PM
  #90
Rosso Scuderia
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,954
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Markowicz View Post
I tend to agree with the idea of trading Gorges. At 3.9m, he's a good value, but not on our team. I think he makes for a very decent 4th d-man on a mid-level team. If we want to win a cup, I think he'd be more like a 5-6 on our team, and at 3.9m he's too expensive to be holding down that role.

So we should try to trade him to a team like say the Devils or Sabres, who are in need of stability on D, but who aren't in serious contention for a cup any time soon. That will free up enough cash for us to get a serious top 4 d-man i suspect.

I don't really want to trade Gorges per say, but I feel like down the road this is the kind of trade you need to make to get to the next level.
Same here. I have always been a fan of Gorges... but if we can get a legit top 4.. it pushes Gorges down in the bottom pair... and at 3.9M$ it's too expensive.

I still believe he's a guy that you win with. He's a warrior... and yersterday, Damphousse made me realize that Gorges is +36 since joining the Habs 7 years ago... That's pretty good for a defensive defenseman.

Rosso Scuderia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 12:34 PM
  #91
Bryson
Registered User
 
Bryson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,772
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov View Post
8 years $76 million.
$9.5 per season.


Will be a lot in year 1 & 2, but will be a fair contract come year 3.

No way he signs long term at less then $9 million IMO
Wow that would make him the highest paid player in the league (cap wise). I would be disappointed with that. GMs need to be careful about handing out these crazy contracts or we will just be heading to another lock out in a few years again. Geez louise!

Bryson is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:05 PM
  #92
No Team Needed
Registered User
 
No Team Needed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: essex
Posts: 3,972
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosso Scuderia View Post
I wouldn't mind a top 4 with Subban-Markov-Phaneuf-Emelin.. but that would be quite expensive... Like Kriss E, said, if we can get rid of Gorges contract, then we'll talk..

Let's see if Elisha Cuthbert can do what Maripier Morin did with Prust and try to bring Phaneuf in her hometown.
Phaneuf is a solid second pairing D being expected to be a first pairing D and wants to be paid like the best defenceman on a team.

He's like if Roman Hamrlik wanted to be paid $7M by us.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
Wow that would make him the highest paid player in the league (cap wise). I would be disappointed with that. GMs need to be careful about handing out these crazy contracts or we will just be heading to another lock out in a few years again. Geez louise!
I'm guessing you missed my post on how much Joe Sakic made in the late 90s and how many players were making over $10M per season before the lockout.

High contracts are not going to lead to a lockout. That's why we have a cap. They actually have very little to do with why there are lockouts. Did you see all of the money dropped for buyouts? Money still goes to those players. Also, stop looking at the CAP HIT and look at the actual salary paid to the player. Also when the cap goes up, the percentage of how much that contract is for the teams total cap money decreases. Pay more attention to that than if the number is merely higher.

No Team Needed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:16 PM
  #93
Brainiac
Registered User
 
Brainiac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Montreal
Posts: 6,802
vCash: 500
Despite a few contracts, the Habs are actually in good shape with the cap.

Here is the $/player available for 2014-2015:

http://capgeek.com/payrolls/?salary_...arts_year=2014

27M to sign 5-6 players and maybe promote 1-2 guys from Hamilton. Quite sure Bergevin is not losing any sleep over this.

I'd say there's about 7-8 teams that could be in a squeeze, like Chigaco with 7M to sign 6-7 guys. Then you have a bunch of teams with way enough money to sign whatever is available.

And then you have the Capitals, with a 22 men roster and 9M! Hey, they could sign another Ovechkin!


Last edited by Brainiac: 12-10-2013 at 01:22 PM.
Brainiac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:22 PM
  #94
Smokey Thompson
Registered User
 
Smokey Thompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: 514
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,041
vCash: 500
Wow I was expecting to have more than 2.5-3m after signing Subban, Markov, Eller, Diaz...

Smokey Thompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:26 PM
  #95
PricePkPatch*
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,489
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brainiac View Post
Despite a few contracts, the Habs are actually in good shape with the cap.

Here is the $/player available for 2014-2015:

http://capgeek.com/payrolls/?salary_...arts_year=2014

27M to sign 5-6 players and maybe promote 1-2 guys from Hamilton. Quite sure Bergevin is not losing any sleep over this.

I'd say there's about 7-8 teams that could be in a squeeze, like Chigaco with 7M to sign 6-7 guys. Then you have a bunch of teams with way enough money to sign whatever is available.

And then you have the Capitals, with a 22 men roster and 9M! Hey, they could sign another Ovechkin!
What contracts?

We are actually pretty solid when it comes to our current contracts; absolutely no real albatross.

PricePkPatch* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:29 PM
  #96
LyricalLyricist
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,978
vCash: 152
Call me crazy but I'm not opposed to being cautious on the UFA front. Unless it's Vanek or something I'd be content not spending to the cap and letting others make Clarkson esque mistakes in a bidding war.

LyricalLyricist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:33 PM
  #97
WeThreeKings
Sept 19th
 
WeThreeKings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,512
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to WeThreeKings
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist View Post
Call me crazy but I'm not opposed to being cautious on the UFA front. Unless it's Vanek or something I'd be content not spending to the cap and letting others make Clarkson esque mistakes in a bidding war.
Taking our current line-up.. I'd trade Bourque since he's not getting any playing time and someone will likely give up a mid range pick for a somewhat productive player on a cheap contract.

Galchenyuk-Plekanec-???? (Gionta gone)
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Bournival-Eller-Briere
Prust-White-Moen

Markov-Subban
?????-Emelin
Gorges-Diaz

Price
Budaj

WeThreeKings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:37 PM
  #98
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 34,429
vCash: 256
Vanek would be a great addition and the goal scorer we desperately need

Habs 4 Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:39 PM
  #99
PricePkPatch*
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,489
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life View Post
Vanek would be a great addition and the goal scorer we desperately need
Vanek is 30 and will want at least 6 years, at 7+ million.

Can we afford that?

PricePkPatch* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2013, 01:43 PM
  #100
Mario Lemieux fan 66
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 768
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life View Post
Vanek would be a great addition and the goal scorer we desperately need
If we want Vanek, we need to trade or not re-sign 2 of Diaz, Gorges, Markov and Bourque. I have not include Desharnais or Brière because i don't think we can trade them without receiving an equal cap dump.

Mario Lemieux fan 66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:57 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.