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12-10-2013, 07:50 AM
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5 year contract for Dan Boyle in the off-season? If Pronger can do it until age 42 ... oh wait, oops.
Sadly I could see a ridiculous contract like 9 million for 7 years for Phanuef this summer.

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12-10-2013, 09:30 AM
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Missing the playoffs will be a blessing in disguise, then hopefully some combination of the following players could be move by the deadline, or in the off-season:

-Hartnell
-Simmonds
-B. Schenn
-Timonen
-Streit
-Coburn
-Meszaros
-L. Schenn

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12-10-2013, 09:32 AM
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Missing the playoffs will be a blessing in disguise, then hopefully some combination of the following players could be move by the deadline, or in the off-season:

-Hartnell
-Simmonds
-B. Schenn
-Timonen
-Streit
-Coburn
-Meszaros
-L. Schenn
The only player we should probably be concerned with moving is Hartnell.

The rest can stay. Except Meszaros. He should be shot into space.

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12-10-2013, 09:35 AM
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The only player we should really be concerned with moving is Hartnell.

The rest can stay.
If the rest stay, then continue to expect mediocrity from this team

If we can get anyone to give us a good return for Timonen and the deadline (and he'll move his NMC), you do it without question

Same goes for Streit. Anyway to get him off this team, you do it

The others, would obviously need to be a good deal, but if a combination of Schenn and Simmonds can get us that #1 defenseman we so badly need, you do it

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12-10-2013, 09:37 AM
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If we can get anything for Timonen, Streit, and/or Meszaros at the dealine, assuming we aren't playing like a playoff team, then trade any and all of them if possible.

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12-10-2013, 09:38 AM
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If we can get anything for Timonen, Streit, and/or Meszaros at the dealine, assuming we aren't playing like a playoff team, then trade any and all of them if possible.
IMO even if we are in a playoff spot, if any team offers us something good for Timonen (ie: a 1st or a good prospect), you do it

We won't get much for the other two, but if someone offers us anything, do it

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12-10-2013, 10:21 AM
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This team is not winning the cup this year unless they somehow sneak it and Mason plays like Ward or Quick did or better.

Not trading Timonen at the deadline will hurt this team's chances going forward. I believe a contender would give up a first for him or a good prospect.

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12-10-2013, 10:27 AM
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They should be exploring trading anyone who's name isn't Giroux, Couturier or Mason at the deadline if they can get good assets or picks for them. I'm even shopping both Schenns, Simmonds and Voracek at this point. Voracek I'd rather keep. I think he can be a good 2nd liner, but if you're getting something that will make this team better you do it.

My main targets would be:
1sts
Brandon Gormley
Evander Kane
Max Pacioretty
(If those 2 are actually available)

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12-10-2013, 11:07 AM
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Missing the playoffs will be a blessing in disguise, then hopefully some combination of the following players could be move by the deadline, or in the off-season:

-Hartnell
-Simmonds
-B. Schenn
-Timonen
-Streit
-Coburn
-Meszaros
-L. Schenn
It is sad that here they are again, rebuilding.
If Holmgren had gotten young offensive minded defensemen when
he traded Richards and Carter, we would be further along in rebuilding this group.
Holmgren put too much emphasis on replacing the forwards and too much reliance on FA retreads on the backend.
When the trades occurred, rebuilding the defense should have been a priority.
He built it backwards, they should have gotten offensive defensemen and signed FA forwards.
And they should have picked Hamilton, not Couturier, we need a stud defenseman that badly.

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12-10-2013, 11:40 AM
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It is sad that here they are again, rebuilding.
If Holmgren had gotten young offensive minded defensemen when
he traded Richards and Carter, we would be further along in rebuilding this group.
Holmgren put too much emphasis on replacing the forwards and too much reliance on FA retreads on the backend.
When the trades occurred, rebuilding the defense should have been a priority.
He built it backwards, they should have gotten offensive defensemen and signed FA forwards.
And they should have picked Hamilton, not Couturier, we need a stud defenseman that badly.
You clearly seem to think the team's D looked like it does now when the trades went down. When the trades occured they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez (who, at the time, was rarely injured), Coburn, and Carle. They had what was considered one of the best D groups in the league. They had holes in the forward group that needed to be filled, not the D group. They HAD to focus on getting forwards.

Couturier is better defensively than Hamilton, so if you want to switch Couturier out for a guy who isn't as good at preventing goals, well, that's a weird way to improve the team.

They didn't have the cap space to afford FA forwards. That's why they had to trade for several cheap players. FA wasn't an option for good forwards.

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12-10-2013, 11:50 AM
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the answer is simple fire homer, he can't build a contending team.
he will create an unbalanced team filled with holes, he will fix the hole and while fixing them he create a bigger problem .

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12-10-2013, 01:06 PM
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5 year contract for Dan Boyle in the off-season? If Pronger can do it until age 42 ... oh wait, oops.
That's nasty...

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12-10-2013, 01:12 PM
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You clearly seem to think the team's D looked like it does now when the trades went down. When the trades occured they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez (who, at the time, was rarely injured), Coburn, and Carle. They had what was considered one of the best D groups in the league. They had holes in the forward group that needed to be filled, not the D group. They HAD to focus on getting forwards.

Couturier is better defensively than Hamilton, so if you want to switch Couturier out for a guy who isn't as good at preventing goals, well, that's a weird way to improve the team.

They didn't have the cap space to afford FA forwards. That's why they had to trade for several cheap players. FA wasn't an option for good forwards.
i would take Brodin over couturier 10 over 10 times

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i would take Brodin over couturier 10 over 10 times


...why? I sure wouldn't. Imagine this team with Brodin but without Couturier driving his line.


We would be a zero line team instead of a 1.5 line team.

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...why? I sure wouldn't. Imagine this team with Brodin but without Couturier driving his line.


We would be a zero line team instead of a 1.5 line team.
good at least we would stop pretending being a good team, homer loses his job and hope snider can get someone who can build a solid team.

and on top of that we would have a 20years old established top pairing Dman.

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good at least we would stop pretending being a good team, homer loses his job and hope snider can get someone who can build a solid team.

and on top of that we would have a 20years old established top pairing Dman.
He's paired with Suter. That's certainly helping him a lot. We don't have anyone like that to pair him with, and I wouldn't want him on our top pairing with Coburn to develop.

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12-10-2013, 01:47 PM
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He's paired with Suter. That's certainly helping him a lot. We don't have anyone like that to pair him with, and I wouldn't want him on our top pairing with Coburn to develop.
Brodin is quickly becoming one of the more overrated young players on this site. Of course he looks good playing with/behind Suter and for one of the most conservative teams in the entire NHL. Couturier plays just as big a role for the Flyers, and he's received little to no roster protection from day one.

The only players from 2011 that I would definitively take over Couturier would be Landeskog and maybe Huberdeau. Hamilton and Brodin are both excellent young players, but they both benefit greatly from their playing situations.

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You clearly seem to think the team's D looked like it does now when the trades went down. When the trades occured they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez (who, at the time, was rarely injured), Coburn, and Carle. They had what was considered one of the best D groups in the league. They had holes in the forward group that needed to be filled, not the D group. They HAD to focus on getting forwards.

Couturier is better defensively than Hamilton, so if you want to switch Couturier out for a guy who isn't as good at preventing goals, well, that's a weird way to improve the team.

They didn't have the cap space to afford FA forwards. That's why they had to trade for several cheap players. FA wasn't an option for good forwards.
I think that Pronger and Timonen covered up for the lack of skill and speed on defense for sure.
I can live with a couple of 3rd line players on offense if you fix the defense, but he has not done so.
After those trades, time passed and the defense looked horrible, especially last year.
And Holmgren's idea to fix this slow, aging, injured defense is to trade for another slow defense only defenseman.
It is inexcusable, to trade JVR for Luke Schenn, we did not need another defense only defenseman.
And to keep Coburn instead of Carle is another blunder, because Coburn has little offensive ability.
With Carle here we do not need to sign over the hill Streit to another albatross of a contract.
Holmgren does not know how to build a winning team he should have been gone with Lavi.


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I can live with a couple of 3rd line players on offense if you fix the defense, but he has not done so.
After those trades, time passed and the defense looked horrible, especially last year.
And Holmgren's idea to fix this slow, aging, injured defense is to trade for another slow defense only defenseman.
It is inexcusable, to trade JVR for Luke Schenn, we did not need another defense only defenseman.
And to keep Coburn instead of Carle is another blunder.With Carle here we do not need to sign over the hill Streit to another albatross of a contract.
Holmgren does not know how to build a winning team he should have been gone with Lavi.
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He's paired with Suter. That's certainly helping him a lot. We don't have anyone like that to pair him with, and I wouldn't want him on our top pairing with Coburn to develop.
i've seen alot of wild games this year and he plays the same way paired with suter or with someone else, all our Dman could learn alot from Brodin

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The first, and only decision that needs to be done before any others is to can the GM. Not really seeing anything changing until that happens.

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Brodin is quickly becoming one of the more overrated young players on this site. Of course he looks good playing with/behind Suter and for one of the most conservative teams in the entire NHL. Couturier plays just as big a role for the Flyers, and he's received little to no roster protection from day one.

The only players from 2011 that I would definitively take over Couturier would be Landeskog and maybe Huberdeau. Hamilton and Brodin are both excellent young players, but they both benefit greatly from their playing situations.
if you're saying Brodin is overrated then same thing should apply for couturier

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The first, and only decision that needs to be done before any others is to can the GM. Not really seeing anything changing until that happens.
I agree 1000%.
Holmgren has destroyed this defense, he must be fired.
Then the Flyers will have a chance of rebuilding and winning a cup in my lifetime.


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and also Suter was strugling before he was paired with Brodin

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if you're saying Brodin is overrated then same thing should apply for couturier
Why?

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