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12-10-2013, 12:33 PM
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Rene Bourque
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Not bad. What's the catch with Bourque?

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This looks like a salary dump to me.

I would say MTL has to add some incentive for them to take him his salary.

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Not bad. What's the catch with Bourque?
He ain't very good and he gets injured a lot. I don't really see the Jets being interested in a 32 year old tbh, even if thats not much value going back to Montreal.

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This looks like a salary dump to me.
Yeah, and while I'm generally not a Bourque supporter, I wouldn't put him at that level yet. Habs don't need generic 4th line depth like Cormier or Thorburn. I would just keep Bourque, warts and all, he's not "dump" material.

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12-10-2013, 01:15 PM
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Yeah, and while I'm generally not a Bourque supporter, I wouldn't put him at that level yet. Habs don't need generic 4th line depth like Cormier or Thorburn. I would just keep Bourque, warts and all, he's not "dump" material.
What kind of role does he play on your squad?

Top 6 i assume, if he isn't effective in the top 6 role, would be fine in a checking 3rd line/depth scoring role?

If the answer to that question is no, then he's a salary dump.
If the answer to that question is yes, then he probably holds some value. (late 2nd round pick)


This is pure speculation, so i would need you to confirm this. I haven't seen the guy play. I just quickly glanced at his stats.

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What kind of role does he play on your squad?

Top 6 i assume, if he isn't effective in the top 6 role, would be fine in a checking 3rd line role?

If the answer to that question is no, then he's a salary dump.
If the answer to that question is yes, then he probably holds some value. (late 2nd round pick)
I don't think you understand the Habs much. They don't follow 2nd/3rd line formulae like that. Plekanec is the checking guy. Sometimes Bourque plays with him. But he doesn't have to. The Habs just lack size on the wings in general, so Bourque is a decent band-aid type player on whichever line he's on. He doesn't have to be a pure checker or a pure scorer. He chips in on offense, and doesn't seem to be terrible defensively. He has decent size, and occasionally uses it. It just makes him a general fit for most any line for the Habs, whether you call it the 1st line or the 4th. For now. It would be nice to find a more consistent version of him for our team. But lacking that, he's a decent passsenger, and not a dump candidate.

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I don't think you understand the Habs much. They don't follow 2nd/3rd line formulae like that. Plekanec is the checking guy. Sometimes Bourque plays with him. But he doesn't have to. The Habs just lack size on the wings in general, so Bourque is a decent band-aid type player on whichever line he's on. He doesn't have to be a pure checker or a pure scorer. He chips in on offense, and doesn't seem to be terrible defensively. He has decent size, and occasionally uses it. It just makes him a general fit for most any line for the Habs, whether you call it the 1st line or the 4th. For now. It would be nice to find a more consistent version of him for our team. But lacking that, he's a decent passsenger, and not a dump candidate.
Ahh i see, so what do you think he value is right now?

Lets use draft picks as a basis. Is he worth a late 1st rounder? high 2nd round? high 3rd round?

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Ahh i see, so what do you think he value is right now?

Lets use draft picks as a basis. Is he worth a late 1st rounder? high 2nd round? high 3rd round?
Trade value? I don't know, either zero to the teams that don't need a band-aid player, or maybe something like a 3rd to any who are looking, but are a bit dismayed by his track record and contract? I don't think it matters, though, since the Habs can't really afford to trade him for that, since he still fits a need for the Habs.

Now, you give us a chance to upgrade significantly on him, and tell us that, whoah, we somehow need $3M in extra cap space to make that upgrade, and at that instant in time Bourque transforms from an adequate band-aid into a dump candidate. But for sure Thorburn and Cormier don't represent anything remotely approaching an upgrade, so this isn't the trade scenario that makes Bourque turn into a dump candidate.

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-The guy makes 3.33 for 2 more years after this.
-He is ALWAYS injured.
-He has 7 points this year
-In the past 2 seasons he finished with 13 and 24 points

We are not giving up ANY assets for your cap dump.


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-The guy makes 3.33 for 2 more years after this.
-He is ALWAYS injured.
-He has 7 points this year
-In the past 2 seasons he finished with 13 and 8 points

We are not giving up ANY assets for your cap dump.
Sick lie about his point totals bro.

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Sick lie about his point totals bro.
Whoops. I read the website wrong. I'll update my post.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=54761

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Sick lie about his point totals bro.
That doesn't make Bourque any more usable... He's worth a 4 or a 5th, or a 3rd with a lot of retained salary...

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I'd consider it as a Jets fan. We're really not giving up anything here.

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That doesn't make Bourque any more usable... He's worth a 4 or a 5th, or a 3rd with a lot of retained salary...
Looool

The dude plays 3rd line role, is on pace for about 20 goals, cap hit of only 3.3 for 2 more year, and only makes 2.5M in real dollars starting next year...

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I'd consider it as a Jets fan. We're really not giving up anything here.
He would be on our third line. I don't know enough about his game to say if he would fit there.

I just don't like his cap hit, term, and him as a human being after his ridiculous elbow on Backstrom.

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Why from an Habs pov?

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Looool

The dude plays 3rd line role, is on pace for about 20 goals, cap hit of only 3.3 for 2 more year, and only makes 2.5M in real dollars starting next year...
Is that why he's in every habs proposal there is? And a weak 3rd liner making 3.3 mil is the last thing that any team needs...

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Is that why he's in every habs proposal there is? And a weak 3rd liner making 3.3 mil is the last thing that any team needs...
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Trade value? I don't know, either zero to the teams that don't need a band-aid player, or maybe something like a 3rd to any who are looking, but are a bit dismayed by his track record and contract? I don't think it matters, though, since the Habs can't really afford to trade him for that, since he still fits a need for the Habs.

Now, you give us a chance to upgrade significantly on him, and tell us that, whoah, we somehow need $3M in extra cap space to make that upgrade, and at that instant in time Bourque transforms from an adequate band-aid into a dump candidate. But for sure Thorburn and Cormier don't represent anything remotely approaching an upgrade, so this isn't the trade scenario that makes Bourque turn into a dump candidate.

Blind Gardien covers it pretty well.

Most of the fans that want him gone are ones that think he should be a 30 goal guy, and are disappointed, and want him gone to replace him with a legit top line player.

Also I don't see how he would be a weak 3rd liner, not many teams have a 3rd line guy that can give a them about 20 goals a year for 3.3M

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I watched Bourque in Calgary.
Streaky, injury prone, weak worth ethic. Not someone the Jets need.

Thorburn or Cormier can fill the 3rd line spot as well & more economically.

It'd be a salary dump with Montreal getting 2 equivalent players players & cap space for a 5th rounder. Both are FA next year (Thorburn UFA, Cormier RFA) so the Habs have the option of letting both walk. They pay a 5th in lieu of the buyout they can no longer do since they used them on Gomez & Kaberle.
Besides, that lack of worth ethic is exactly what TN prefers to avoid.
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I would give them 1 of the 2 for Bourque & a high round pick/good prospect as we still have our compliance buyouts.

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I watched Bourque in Calgary.
Streaky, injury prone, weak worth ethic. Not someone the Jets need.

Thorburn or Cormier can fill the 3rd line spot as well & more economically.

It'd be a salary dump with Montreal getting 2 equivalent players players & cap space for a 5th rounder. Both are FA next year (Thorburn UFA, Cormier RFA) so the Habs have the option of letting both walk. They pay a 5th in lieu of the buyout they can no longer do since they used them on Gomez & Kaberle.
Besides, that lack of worth ethic is exactly what TN prefers to avoid.
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I would give them 1 of the 2 for Bourque & a high round pick/good prospect as we still have our compliance buyouts.
Yeah, with that opinion of Bourque, you wouldn't find a trade partner, though, so it's kinda moot. He's bad, but he's not quite that bad. It'd almost be easier if he was that bad, though.

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-The guy makes 3.33 for 2 more years after this.
-He is ALWAYS injured.
-He has 7 points this year
-In the past 2 seasons he finished with 13 and 24 points

We are not giving up ANY assets for your cap dump.
Bourque will be making 2.5 during the next 2 years
and if you average out his goals and games plyed he was trending to 20+ again

I wouldnt give up on him for scraps, He is a good option as third line winger, plays both sides and can fill in on top 6. He will actually be a bargain

Unfortunately he is coming back to soon from injuries

He can also play the PK and the PP

with Gionta leaving next season we will need him on the right side

Habs have to make a trade to upgrade on wings. We already have to many bottom 6 guys that we can`t play them all

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Lmao buy out for Bourque, the guy has a cap hit of 3.3M and only 2.5M for the next 2 years, and that's going to be a 70+ cap...

And last year, and this year, on a full 82 game season, he would have 20 goals in each one.

But your right he doesn't seems to bring it every game, which levels a lot of ppl disappointed, but if they did bring it every night, he would be getting paid 5-6M per, not 3.

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If Bourque gets traded, it's likely to be to a cap floor team in the summer. His cap hit is higher than his pay, teams like florida and even Nashville are likely partners. Winnipeg isn't a cap floor team, so the value of a cheap 3rd liner who can score 20 isn't as high to them. And I would only trade him to help fill a need somewhere else.

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I don't think you understand the Habs much. They don't follow 2nd/3rd line formulae like that. Plekanec is the checking guy. Sometimes Bourque plays with him. But he doesn't have to. The Habs just lack size on the wings in general, so Bourque is a decent band-aid type player on whichever line he's on. He doesn't have to be a pure checker or a pure scorer. He chips in on offense, and doesn't seem to be terrible defensively. He has decent size, and occasionally uses it. It just makes him a general fit for most any line for the Habs, whether you call it the 1st line or the 4th. For now. It would be nice to find a more consistent version of him for our team. But lacking that, he's a decent passsenger, and not a dump candidate.
That's a fair assessment of Bourque.

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