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12-10-2013, 02:35 PM
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B. Schenn and Simmer have been killing this team. They have been really bad most of the season. Any advanced stat will tell you this.

The Flyers the first 1/3 of the season top 6 has put them in a bad position. If they were an average scoring team they would be among the top teams in the league.

The defense statistically has been very good, Gus needs to be in for Mez who is by far the worst d-man on the Flyers.
Streit has been much worse than Mez, at least recently. I'd love to see him scratched for Gus.

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12-10-2013, 02:39 PM
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You clearly seem to think the team's D looked like it does now when the trades went down. When the trades occured they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez (who, at the time, was rarely injured), Coburn, and Carle. They had what was considered one of the best D groups in the league. They had holes in the forward group that needed to be filled, not the D group. They HAD to focus on getting forwards.

Couturier is better defensively than Hamilton, so if you want to switch Couturier out for a guy who isn't as good at preventing goals, well, that's a weird way to improve the team.

They didn't have the cap space to afford FA forwards. That's why they had to trade for several cheap players. FA wasn't an option for good forwards.
I was literally just about to make a nearly identical response... people think they're so smart with their hindsight but forget to actually take into account what was reality at the time.

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12-10-2013, 02:42 PM
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Giroux and Couturier are the present and future on offense. Laughton will be the third line center in the next two years which should provide us with one of, if not the best depth at center in the league. Other than that I have no clue what will happen to this team. Hartnell, Streit, and likely Lecavalier should probably be upgraded.

One of B. Schenn and VL need to be put on Giroux's wing full time for more than 1 or 2 games at a time. If Schenn(would be the best outcome) or Lecavalier could become a goal scoring threat with Giroux it would be very beneficial.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Hartnell-VL-Voracek

or

Hartnell-Giroux-VL
Simmonds-Schenn-Voracek

As for defense I dont think we make any major moves during the season. Hopefully there will be some players available in free agency this summer. Would Girardi make a good replacement for Timonen?Could we potentially upgrade Streit to a guy like Brian Campbell?
I'd love to see the lines be

Schenn-Giroux-Lecavelier
Read-Couturier-Voracek
Anyone not named Hartnell-Laughton-Simmonds

I'd do anything for them to find a way to get rid of Hartnell and Streit, although it's nearly impossible. If they're not in the playoff race at the trade deadline then try to get as much as possible for Timonen but if they are then just keep him and let him walk/retire in the offseason.

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12-10-2013, 02:44 PM
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Why?
because you're not giving credit to Brodin for what he's dong for the wild, just like other people do with couturier.

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12-10-2013, 02:45 PM
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good at least we would stop pretending being a good team, homer loses his job and hope snider can get someone who can build a solid team.

and on top of that we would have a 20years old established top pairing Dman.
So basically you want Brodin because he helps the team less than Couturier and it would get Homer fired...


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12-10-2013, 02:49 PM
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So basically you want Brodin because he helps the team less than Couturier and it would get Homer fired...


LOL
no because this team without couts in that line would be awful offensivly.
and there would be no one to save homer.


do you expect from Brodin to be a center and Dman at the same time ?

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12-10-2013, 02:58 PM
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Laughton makes B. Schenn expendable, plus I've never been a big fan of B Schenn.

Package him and his brother up for something. Unfortunately, I still don't think it would fix this team.

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12-10-2013, 03:01 PM
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Laughton makes B. Schenn expendable, plus I've never been a big fan of B Schenn.

Package him and his brother up for something. Unfortunately, I still don't think it would fix this team.
I've been saying package the Schenns and maybe Simmonds for either Evander Kane or Max Pacioretty for a while.

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12-10-2013, 03:06 PM
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I've been saying package the Schenns and maybe Simmonds for either Evander Kane or Max Pacioretty for a while.
While I would do that, it still doesn't change the fact that this defense is slow and terrible in transition/skating the puck out of our zone.

I'd love to see one of those 2 on Giroux's wing, but the problems start with our defense which is poorly constructed.

Which is why I'm not sure 1 trade like that would instantly fix our team.

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12-10-2013, 03:06 PM
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Wow overreaction? I wouldn't move anything right now, constant trading won't fix anything.

What we need is for Hartnell & voracek to sucking. That and Vinny to return and help schenn.

The only decision I want made right now, is who goes on Giroux's wing? B/c what we have now isn't inspiring...

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12-10-2013, 03:08 PM
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because you're not giving credit to Brodin for what he's dong for the wild, just like other people do with couturier.
I just said that I prefer Couturier to him and that I think he's in a favorable situation in Minny. I still think he's a good player, I just prefer Couturier. Regardless, it's still a stretch to believe Brodin over Couturier would make this team better.

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12-10-2013, 03:15 PM
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This team isn't going to be improved by big UFA signings or big trades.

The team has a pretty good young core that needs to be molded into a more balanced roster. For the most part, stay the course. Look to move some older players, sure. But there should be no more Streit and LeCavalier signings until this team is on the brink of a championship.

Small, under the radar, low risk high reward type signings and trades are fine. (i.e. Leino, Downie, etc). Smaller short term signings for 3rd/4th liners and 3rd pairing defensement, fine.

But trying to trade for or sign on the market top 4 defensemen and top 6 forwards is probably only going to backfire.

This team isn't as bad as it looks now, but it's also not that close to competing. It's crtical that management is savvy and makes smart decisions with contracts moving forward. It will be make or break if this team will be a contender or drift away over the next 2-3 years.

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12-10-2013, 03:19 PM
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Which is why I'm not sure 1 trade like that would instantly fix our team.
Here's 1 trade that will fix the team overnight.

Mark Streit for Duncan Keith.

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12-10-2013, 03:25 PM
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I just said that I prefer Couturier to him and that I think he's in a favorable situation in Minny. I still think he's a good player, I just prefer Couturier. Regardless, it's still a stretch to believe Brodin over Couturier would make this team better.
couturier offensive game started to blossom only when he started playing with Downie and Read, Brodin started playing like that before he became Suter regular partner.

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While I would do that, it still doesn't change the fact that this defense is slow and terrible in transition/skating the puck out of our zone.

I'd love to see one of those 2 on Giroux's wing, but the problems start with our defense which is poorly constructed.

Which is why I'm not sure 1 trade like that would instantly fix our team.
I agree. I'm not saying it would fix the team but it certainly makes them better and would potentially be a step in the right direction. Right now this team is all over the place. A deal like that would simplify some things and create a more solid foundation in which to build around IMO.

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I agree. I'm not saying it would fix the team but it certainly makes them better and would potentially be a step in the right direction. Right now this team is all over the place. A deal like that would simplify some things and create a more solid foundation in which to build around IMO.
I think before Schenn gets traded he should really be tried on Girouxs LW for more than just a short handful of games when the team is struggling. Schenn has a pretty good shot and on his current line I don't think either Simmonds or Lecavelier are that great at setting him up to take advantage of it. Giroux NEEDS someone who can shoot to set up, Hartnell has no shot and Voracek forgot that he has a decent shot.

I just get the feeling that trading the Schenns right now would be something that we would regret in the future.

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Hartnell has more of shot than Voracek. See his goal in the Detroit game.

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Hartnell has more of shot than Voracek. See his goal in the Detroit game.
Please be kidding..

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What do you think of L.Schenn, B.Schenn, Cousin, 1st 2015

for E.Kane and one of (Bogo, Enstrom, Buff, Trouba)

Thats a 1st line LW and a 1-2 D in one trade.

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What do you think of L.Schenn, B.Schenn, Cousin, 1st 2015

for E.Kane and one of (Bogo, Enstrom, Buff, Trouba)

Thats a 1st line LW and a 1-2 D in one trade.
So we get a big upgrade at forward and defense for only Cousins and a 1st... I wish, but no chance.

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12-10-2013, 06:11 PM
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So we get a big upgrade at forward and defense for only Cousins and a 1st... I wish, but no chance.
Kane dont have that much better stats then Schenn and they are 22 yo. But ok add hartnell and Im sure Winnipeg will at least conside it.

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12-10-2013, 06:12 PM
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The Flyers are in a precarious situation. They really don't have much to trade that they could get full value for. The Schenns have been underwhelming and not matching their hype. Simmonds and Voracek have value but would return a defenseman or sniper of equal quality. The Flyers would have to go young and unproven to get good value for those players and that comes with a high risk of blowing up much like the JVR deal. Also I am sure other clubs know how desperate the Flyers are and would be trying to swindle them such as asking for Laughton as a throw in for every deal. Add the fact that with the low cap every dollar in must be accompanied with a dollar out making a team full of overpriced players unable to move anybody. This is a mess.

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12-10-2013, 06:21 PM
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Everyone needs to calm down.

Screwing with the roster year after year is the problem, not the solution. As folks have previously mentioned, big swings are not what this team needs.

Stay the course, see what becomes available. But we don't have enough depth at any position to do what some of you are suggesting.

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12-10-2013, 06:26 PM
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Trade Voracek and Grossmann for Buff and Frolik
Trade Simmonds for Kulikov and Mathias

Schenn Giroux Vinny
Downie Couts Read
Hartnell Mathias Frolik
Raffl Hall Rinaldo

Kimmo Buff
Streit Coburn
Kulikov Schenn

Voracek and Buff are both UFA's in 2.5 years. The 3rd line becomes the shutdown/ 2 way line. Couts line is pushed to become more offensive.


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Trade Voracek and Grossmann for Buff and Frolik
Trade Sommonds for Kulikov and Mathias

Schenn Giroux Vinny
Downie Couts Read
Hartnell Mathias Frolik
Raffl Hall Rinaldo

Kimmo Buff
Streit Coburn
Kulikov Schenn

Voracek and Buff are both UFA's in 2.5 years. The 3rd line becomes the shutdown/ 2 way line. Couts line is pushed to become more offensive.
Why would either of those teams do those deals? Voracek and Simmonds have been brutal most of the year.

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